Great info Domer, once again.

Here is my St. Mary's. Both of my kicked football series pennants (Santa Clara, St. Mary's) seem to be a bit higher quality than the typical football runner pennant now identified as Epstein. Perhaps they cost a bit more? I also can't help but notice how many different versions of the kicker there are given the small sample of pennants.

Joe, that Cornell pennant is beautiful. Never seen it before--thanks for sharing.

Marc, who knew there were so many variations of the Epstein punter, kicking the football across the pennant? Even when they used the same punter, they still altered him ever so slightly to enable the school name to fit on the tail-end of the pennant.

This likely won’t excite anyone given how plain it is, but I was psyched to pick this up recently. A quasi-farm club of the NYG in the 30s and 40s. I first started collecting pennants when I was still in school, mid-late 1990s and one of my first purchases was a shopping bag full of crumpled old pennants bought at a flea market. This was one of them, in slightly lesser condition. (This is not mint, either.)

At the time I had no interest in minor league pennants so I sold it not long after, and later regretted it. I especially like full-size minor league pennants now. Hadn’t seen this again or ant JCG pennant until this one …

Having grown up in NJ, I think it’s tremendous!

Me too – That Jersey City is awesome!

Made an old-fashioned trade of pennants and pinback buttons and came away with this beauty. The Yankees pennant I believe is from the 50’s.

As part of my trade, I also picked up this small Yankees pennant. Reminds me one ones I've seen attached to pinback buttons but I couldn't find an example when I searched. Does it look familiar to anyone?

My little Yankees pennant has been identified as a 1952 to 1962-ish pennant from the Tom’s Peanuts set.

Picked up a small lot of pennants recently, the prize being this well-loved 1978 All Star game pennant featuring the Padres’ swinging friar.

Another recent pick up. Living in Richmond, Va. since 1997, I’ve seen two minor league baseball teams come through and there were teams here before that. I’ve provided security for both the Richmond Braves (AAA) and the Richmond Flying Squirrels (AA), so I’ve developed an interest in minor league memorabilia.

This minor league AAA Omaha Royals pennant caught my eye so I picked it up. It’s seen better days but I think I can clean it up some. Omaha was a member of the American Association from 1969 to 1997, so the pennant is at least 27 years old.

Here’s another great 1970’s pennant with the Padres’ Swinging Friar that I picked up in that same lot. Another candidate for a good cleaning.

That '78 All Star pennant looks really good to me. Not sure I would mess with that one. I would put it in the top 20% of those that have survived. That stiff white polyester felt was notorious for soiling, toning and browning.

Yours might benefit from bleaching, but looks pretty darned good as-is!

No bleach on the newer ones…..Oxyclean.

Bleach is for the older, soft ones. Have I taught you nothing? :p

It’s definitely in pretty nice shape for its age. I’m going to try out the OxiClean method on some lesser pennants but I think this one could still do well with a cleaning. It’s my first All-Star game pennant, so I definitely don’t want to damage it.

Seems like there’s a regular OxiClean and a whitening one. Do you remember which one you used?

These are the remaining pennants that I picked up this week in a lot. Nothing special, but I do like the ‘84 Padres one with the scroll of names. Sometimes you have to buy ones you don’t want to get to the ones you do want.

I wouldn't mess with the 78 All Star. It's not going to get much whiter than that. The risk outweighs the rewards.

Yes. That's what I was trying to say!

Ditto.

Embrace its patina.

Anyone have any tips on getting creases out?

Steam iron the reverse side only (medium heat). Keep the iron moving, and not in one place for too long. Practice on a couple of cheap/expendable pennants first, until you get the hang of it. Do not iron the front side.

Some turn out better than others, but ironing seems to work to a certain extent on virtually all all types of cloth/felt. Go easiest on the white pennants, as they will show brownish burn marks more easily than darker pennants. Keep that iron moving, and did I say not to iron the front side? :rolleyes:

Best of luck.... let's see the before and after results, once completed.

A couple of new arrivals.

It's my first Astros pennant. The price I paid for it was less than the cost of the toploader it came in. I do love a bargain. :)

Awesome pickups, Gary...

That Smoking Bum is truly a classic.

Yeah, those Astros Trench pennants don't sell for much at all. But a Colts from possibly one year earlier is easily in the hundreds.

I'm sure that many of us were watching this pennant sell on ebay this week. I was not a bidder. I'm curious how faded it is.

Well…They’re not called the Cincinnati Oranges. :)

What did it go for? Color me mildly suspicious.

If I'm spending that much on a pennant I want to physically see it, but that's me.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266718690331

Just stumbled across this forum recently in my never ending search for ABA pennants. I’m a big ABA collector. My apologies in advance if this is the wrong thread. I was looking for a for sale/for trade thread specifically for pennants but didn’t see one.

Anyway I’m WTB or WTT for ANY version of Spirits of St. Louis, the 68-69 Denver Rockets team photo pennant, or the late 60s teal colored Kentucky Colonels pennant. If you’ve got other ABA pennants you’re willing to sell/trade not mentioned here, please don’t hesitate to let me know. I’d likely still be interested in buying even if I already own it depending on team and version. Happy collecting!

Mic drop! Curious if you like this one, Rob. I kind of don't.

I purchased the 1919 pennant. I went back and forth on authenticity as well. Seeing it in person was not an option so I took a chance. I will say some of the issues I had with it were satisfactorily answered. For example, one issue was no tassels (there is clear evidence of where there were once red tassels on the spine according to the seller). Once in hand I'll closely inspect and seek additional thoughts on it. If it doesn't pass muster, I'll work with the seller and Ebay to return it if needed.

I think it will be “good.” Not a red flag for me, but I’ve more often seen red fade to pink rather than orange. The fading is less than ideal but you take what you can get with 100 year old pennants. I hope you can post more pictures (back) when you get it in hand.

Oh I don't have any doubts it's legit. I was just making a joke about the color. But as Rob said...When it comes to 100 years old pennants, good luck finding a mint one. The seller also had a rare New York Titans pennant that sold pretty well...not baseball "well"...but football "well" anyway.

The aging/soiling strikes me as strangely uniform and unlike anything I've seen before, but I will defer to greater expertise.

I appreciate all insights on the pennant - thanks. I will post more/better photos when I get it.

I thought it was legit too. Here are pics of two others... and a Mitchell and Ness repro.

True. There are not a lot of exemplars to compare whith pennants this rare either, especially if it is a possible variation of the 3 or 4 known similar pennants. The seller says he has 350 more pennants inherited from the same relative. It will be interesting to see these other pennants when/if listed.

Wow! Tell the seller that he/she is welcome to come here and share!

Appears to be the same batter as the one reproduced in leather on various team pennants from the 1910s …

Thanks for adding those. I studied all three and compared it to the one selling as I'm sure you and others did. The "National Champions" and batter have more similarities to the 2 originals - the alignment of the feet and bat, the lettering. The "National Champions" is smaller than the other 3 (2 authentic examples plus the M&N repro). The one that just sold is obviously more worn so that makes a one to one comparison a little more difficult.

Very simiar to those - thanks for sharing.

He might want to... it could certainly help him.

Just to recap this since there was a lot of interest. The seller messaged me that due to a few concerns brought about by bidders and non-bidders in regard to the pennant's authenticity, including from me, he suggested having an appraisal of the pennant to which I agreed.

The batter looks “squattier” (more compressed) in the M&N repro.

As well as with the pennant in question...

And with the originals, the words “National Champions” arch higher above and further below the “Cincinnati Reds”. Which means it’s either a reproduction or that they used two separate silkscreens back in the day.

It would’ve been interesting to find out whether the graphics are painted/screened, or flocked (raised velvet).

The fact that it’s being evaluated by an AH is not the end all-be all. I have seen countless reproductions offered by the top/most respected auction houses, many of which were subsequently withdrawn. There are a handful of people here who’s opinion I value more than any AH. But I’m sure it will surface again somewhere if Mark doesn’t buy it.

Yikes! :eek:

I’m not sure about the “squattiness” of the batter, but I see what you’re saying about the more shallow arching. This is why my collection remains “low end.” :p

P.S. we never heard the final disposition of the 1918(?) Red Sox that we all felt was no good, did we?

That's a good point, Mark, about the AH not being definitive.

Interesting topic of discussion. I think there's also the possibility of it being a pretty good period reproduction. What's everyone's thoughts on that?

Meaning, like a 100 year old reproduction? I wasn’t aware anyone was doing that…

The spine doesn't match the Mitchell and Ness. But the scrunched graphics do a bit. I guess the spine could have been replaced. I'm curious about the color of the cut tassels. I did also see the rare NY Titans pennant from the same seller, mentioned by Rob. I know that having the Titans pennant doesn't mean that this Reds is real, but it sounds like these are coming from a serious pennant collection.

Keezer mini pennant set
 

I just received this nearly complete set of 15/16 mini pennants by Keezer. Pretty cool item. All measure 8.5" x 4", feature original artwork, tassels, and faux (painted) spines.

Seller bought them all individually, as a kid, ca. 1958-59. He was unsure what happened to the missing Milwaukee Braves pennant....

Very cool, Kyle...

Do you want us to keep an eye out for the Braves, so you can complete the set?

The tassels are red. I agree that it sounds like these are coming from a serious collection.

These are very cool, Kyle. Do any of them have a Keezer tag on the back? Strangely they stamped many but not all of the large ones, but slapped labels on the little ones …

FWIW, there are 2 Braves examples on eBay.... One is stamped (rough condition) and the other is labeled (the nicer of the two).

Anyway here they both are Klye, if you want to complete the set...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22606321963...Bk9SR-6n7KLSYw

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28563357171...3ABFBM7qfsotJj

I feel like I kinda have to complete the set, don't I?

So, yes, if you see a matching Braves pennant, let me know.

Unfortunately ... those two listings are for a Boston Braves pennant. To be historically accurate, I'm gonna need the matching Milwaukee Braves mini. So keep your eyes peeled for one for me.

Picked this up the other day from a local auction in Detroit. I have the green version of this pennant, wondering if there is possibly a red version out there?

Yes, there is indeed a red version. I used to have it... I also have the green, and didn't need two. All 3 colors are equally rare on this great pennant.

Not mine.

Purple...

My favorite. :cool:

Crap, now I have to find red and purple.....

Mine too... the purple felt is gor-gee-ous!

Anyone have this beauty?

Just wondering…Did he sell these or give them away? Or just a decoration by his tables?

Some of his items he handed away and some he would give to you if you sold something to him. He’s had all kinds of things over the years and shows.

Did anyone see this 1920 Dodgers grommet pennant on ebay that closed yesterday?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266760111558

Besides the condition something didn't seem quite right about it. Thoughts?

I think legit. This is mine. I think these and all of the dated grommet championship pennants may have all been made in the late 1930s. Mark and Kyle need to check in on this …

Ay yi yi! $600+ for THAT???? :eek:

It was legit. There were many different and very rare versions of this same style. Mark beat me out on a particularly beautiful 1936 Yankees version that is black. The earliest I have seen is a 1919 Chicago White Sox which I haven't seen in a real long time. I think it might have belonged to Halper and sold with his collection.

Grommet pennants
 

It appears to be legit. Unfortunately, it's lost all traces of its grommets....

Grommet pennants seem to range between 1919 and 1939. That 1919 AL Champs White Sox one Jason mentioned ... sold for $34,500! :eek:

For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets! :p

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

OK, then. Even if it was Giants, I don’t think I would have gone that high.

Then again, I’m a cheap ass (just ask Bocca)!

Searching for rare Raider pennants
 

I'm always in the market for those very rare Raider pennants.


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I thought it was a good deal too. I had set a snipe, but that was to buy for resale. I didn’t win it. Had I wanted it for a personal collection, I would have been willing to go much higher. Those pennants are extremely rare.

Those are some nice and rare Raiders pennants.

There's a white version of that Raider pennant. I have only seen one but I haven't been collecting that long


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That graphic has always confused me. Is the raider ... riding a horse?? I get that he has a hook for a hand, and said hook got fouled up on the Raiders logo somehow ... but I always assumed he was being chased by another player/pirate. Now I'm not so sure.

The white felt actually brings the image into focus (even though the image is low res).

I've never seen this 1915 Phillies grommet pennant; or the 1918 Red Sox. Anybody have photos of them??

Does anyone have a picture of the 1915 Phillies grommet pennant?

Here's a couple of new pickups. The 64 ASG is pretty tough to find.

Any info on the Boston Pennant would be appreciated.