Might be glue stains from the photo.
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Fair warning. bleaching can cause colors to bleed. Rob has posted photos and instructions in the past. But in short, use masking tape to fix the pennant in a shower. (The spine should be at the top and the tip pointing down.) Ensure the masking tape is covering the whole of the spine. Get a bottle of spray bleach and spray the pennant working you're way from the area near the spine to the tip. Leave it to sit for 10 mins (maybe more). Then rinse (while still keeping the spine covered). |
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Those two repros you showed--originally done in the 1950s by Trench--were released around 1980 by ... Trench, best I can tell. They remade a few of their 1950s-era designs, and these repros were sold for a few years. Later versions of the repro will be framed in white, because they were printed on white felt. New content posted on Pennant Factory just this month. New piece being written, as we speak, for Pennant Fever due out in a few weeks. :) |
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It’s a shame I hate all “your” teams. :cool: |
Picked this one up this weekend. This is the first example of this particular pennant I've found that hadn't faded to gray.
https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=36649 |
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Agreed. That Braves pennant looks to be in excellent condition. Great pickup.
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I cannot understand the auction mentality of some people.
I was watching a pennant auction. Starting price was $9.00 and it’s probably a $30 pennant. With 3 days left in the auction, someone jumped the bid from $9 to $33. Why? I can’t understand why people feel the need to bid so high with so many days left to go. Makes me crazy. |
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Sometimes, I'll even make a bid (not at my maximum) a few days before an auction ends to see who bites. If I see my bid is automatically outbid, then I know that someone has possibly put a high max bid. If I see two people outbid me in within an hour then I know that there are a number of keen bidders. |
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I don't know if anyone on my post in the pin thread, but I posted this recent pick-up there. The reason I'm posting here is to ask if anyone here knows (or thinks) these may be ASCOs. I've asked around and the Braves experts I know really had nothing to add. BMW currently has the Mathews listed on Ebay and I've seen a couple others (both Mathews). They are photos mounted to cardboard surrounded by a felt frame.
https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=36644 https://www.net54baseball.com/pictur...ictureid=36650 |
One more question. If you've purchased a pennant that came with a bamboo cane what do you do with it? Is there any way to display a pennant on the cane?
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Could be ASCO's work; but, most of their photo pennants from the 1960s had their mark printed on the backs of their photos. Interesting pieces! |
Hey, just a heads-up to announce a new TSOG episode that focuses on 2 beautiful early teens pennants. Two of my favorites of all-time. Hope you'll view it and give it a "like" or subscribe, if you see fit.
Many thanks for looking... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzJ4gSU09MU |
Another great episode Mark.
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No midsize version that I am aware of. But there is an oversized version. Mastro had one before going defunct. The Reproduction Company made both the Cubs and Athletics vertical pennants in 3/4 and Oversize. For whatever reason, the Athletics pennant seems to outnumber the Cubs by about 5 to 1. |
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This 1962 Giants pennant is... strange. It is on the rare side and I have some questions about quality control. I bought the one on the bottom a week or so ago. My other two have some damage and this new one wasn't all that expensive. The first one I ever bought has the spine bleed. The second one is pretty nice, but it has a hole in it and very strange wrinkles. When I saw the third one (on the bottom) listed on ebay, it looked like it might be in better condition. It turns out that the ebay pic presented the pennant in a very favorable light and it was a kind of dirty. I've managed to clean it pretty well with a wet cloth.
When I put them all together, I noticed a few things. This new one is clearly a slightly different color, even after you take condition into account. And it is smaller (height and length). And the material is kind of different for each pennant. But the strangest thing to me is that all three have some differences among the batters (see how many differences you can spot). Seems very strange for what was likely a very briefly made pennant. Not sure if this happened because of the screens being copied at some point? There being multiple versions of the same screen(s)? Or.... just natural variation from pennant to pennant when humans are involved. |
Very strange, Marc. To me, the size difference is not a huge mystery - just a different piece of felt. Same with any color difference.
The different graphics are harder to explain. As far as I know (or guess), this is a “one off” pennant by an unknown maker. I would think (guess) they only had one screen. This is obviously not the case, since two bats are outlined and one is filled in. Maybe Kyle has previously opined on how many pennants a maker could get from one screen? Are you able to lay one pennant on another, with a bright light behind, to see if the batter dimensions are actually different? If you can’t do that, do measurements confirm they are different? Weird. edit: to my eye, the two batters with the outlined bat look the same. Are they not the same? The filled in bat version has some other differences to the batter. |
This maker likely had multiple screens in use, at the time of production, to accelerate completion of this run given how little time they had to make these. That year, I believe, the Dodgers and Giants ended the season in a tie, forcing a best of three playoff. So, very little time to complete the job before game#1 of the world series, where these likely sold.
The differences in the artwork may just come down to the artist making multiple drawings, each with subtle differences, to test them to see what translated best on to felt. Apparently, they liked "hollow bat" variant best; but, could live with "solid bat"--especially if they could put his stencil into use and thereby speed things up?? |
The smaller pennant actually has smaller graphics. The batter is smaller than on the other two (my close up pics of the three batters likely messed up the scale). And there are some slight differences in the two hollow batter versions. Thus, multiple versions of the screen seems to make the most sense.
How common might this have been for something made by Trench, or some other larger company? I also assume the screens wore out after some time? |
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I like how you said you “believe” the 1962 season ended in a tie between the Giants and Dodgers. You know damn well it did and you know how that turned out! :p |
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Anybody seen these before? They qualified for my "if you haven't seen it before, you should probably buy it" rule so I took a flier. Can't find any info. Even reached out to Net54's resident Japan baseball expert and he hadn't seen and couldn't find any additional detail. 27" long. Sadaharu Oh and Shigeo Nagashima.
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^^^ Almost looks like the original 60 year old plastic!
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The screens wouldn't exactly wear out from the force of the squeegee--they're pretty resilient. But occasionally, the mesh might tear or develop holes, e.g., if it wasn't stored properly. When I was researching Salem Screen Printers, I learned a lot about these rush orders and the logistical nightmare that they presented manufacturers. Sometimes you only had 72 hours to print your merch; and then, you had to ship the product to the venue where the retail vendors needed it. To save time, Salem just contracted with local screen printing firms. Salem would develop the artwork; but the final print job might be performed by some Chicago-area firm, closer to Chicago Stadium, where the merch was headed in 1991. I suspect that was done in the 1960s as well. This would seemingly explain some of the inconsistencies we've been seeing in the pennants made during these rush jobs. Here's two more from the '63 world series by Trench Mfg. Co. No clue why the "1963" orientation was altered, but it was. Probably one was made/sold in Los Angeles and the other was made in Trench's Buffalo factory, then sold in the Bronx. |
Maybe someone said "1 96 3 looks really awkward"?
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Personally, I always preferred the version on the top. Rick |
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Much nicer in person. The plastic must've been 40-50 years old. Tape practically turned to dust.
PS...Shipped on 10/1, delivered on 10/7 from Japan. That's faster than mail from Canada. |
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Pennant sighting!
I was watching a video online of when the New York football Giants stadium opened in 1976. They showed a scene of fans tailgating outside, and I spotted this beautiful Giants pennant on the table with the food. |
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I had this sighting recently. I think this was an ad on eBay. |
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I picked up another "sliding runner." The blue is better, the font is different and there are some differences in the graphic, besides just the number on the runner's back. There were something like 16 watchers on this pennant, so I was happy to get it cheap.
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Another “pennant in action”.
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Those just went from valuable to not so much. |
I wnt to ebay to check the Titans pennant and found this: :p
https://www.ebay.com/itm/36381607848...mis&media=COPY |
Early Los Angeles Angels PCL Oversized Pennant?
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I just picked up this oversized 35" across thick felt pennant. I believe it to be an early Los Angeles Angels PCL pennant. What are your thoughts?
Thanks, Andy Sandler (914) 388-2940 andy@allsportsauctions.com |
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More pennant sightings.
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Is that kid smoking a cigarette??
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seller says early 1900s, wants $100?
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The kid puffing on a cigarette priceless. I see a Browns and Cardinals pennant maybe the World Series?
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That Baltimore pennant looks like the person sewing the letters on may have been a bit tipsy... at least with the A. Seems like early 1900s is right, although I'm guessing it is impossible to know if it is related to baseball in any way. I guess the right price depends on how much you love Baltimore the city.
The St. Louis pic is awesome and funny. I enjoyed reading the book "Even the Browns" about that baseball season and the World Series. Here is a recent pickup for me. I already had a few copies of this pennant and they are all beat up. The graphics on the scroll seem especially fragile and prone to crumbling for some reason. The graphics are relatively solid on this one and you can even still see a bit of paint in the oranges and the Bronco. But it came bedazzled with feathers for some reason. I have no idea why. They were sewn on with some kind of cray stitching system that was maddening to remove. I think I cut about 50 stitches. But I'm pleased with the result. |
Great pennant, Marc! Santa Clara no longer plays football, right?
Regarding the picture….I also see a couple of valuable 6” Cardinals pinbacks in there. The kid inhaling the secondhand smoke looks like his pennant may be sewn to his shirt….something we saw in another picture. Maybe, maybe not. |
Also regarding the picture, this is the 1944 world series. I see two copies of the world series program (back cover) in this picture. And Rob, I think the boy breathing the second hand smoke has his pennant pinned to his shirt with a smaller 2-1/2" cardinal pinback.
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An assortment of recent pickups. With 20+ years of collecting Santa Clara, I was happy to find this new (to me) Orange Bowl pennant. I'd seen a Kentucky version so figured this existed, but had never seen it. Happy to get it even with the damage.
Luv Ya Blue is rather rare. People here in Houston are up in arms about Tennessee wearing the Oliers throwback uniforms this year. They are scheduled to wear them in a game against the Texans. Just seems wrong that those uniforms don't belong to a Houston team. I like how the Ravens handled things with the (new) Browns. I liked the red tassels on the NY Giants. New York Giants seem tougher and tougher to find these days. Lots of Dodgers and Yankees, but not so many Giants. |
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Luv the Luv Ya Blue! Bum and Earl Campbell. Just checked Earl’s stats. Damn, he only played 7 years. Poor guy can barely walk these days. :(
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Last I saw of Campbell, he was doing much better. I think he had some issues with pain meds and that had him in a wheelchair looking pretty bad.
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These are great pickups, Marc. Really love the Orange Bowl pennant! It found its natural home! The Oilers thing is strange. Agree about the Ravens and how the Browns are the Browns. Idk why the Texans aren’t the Oilers tbh. When the North Stars (Stars) moved to Dallas, it was a huge blow to MN. It still bothers me that we can’t have the North Stars name back (no offense, but wth is ‘Wild’) [emoji1744] Good stuff |
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I haven't found as many new pennants lately but this is a welcome new arrival.
I hope that I'll find another blue tassel at some point in the future. :) |
Does anyone know if pennant toploaders come in smaller sizes than 12 x 30? I have these Bazooka pennants that measure 5 x 14.
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I've never seen a smaller size. I just cut down the larger ones to the smaller size. Kind of stinks because they aren't exactly cheap. I've also tried using rectangular toploaders, but those don't work as well for display as the pennant tip will eventually start to obey gravity.
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I have cut them down as well, to fit these Bazooka sized pennants. No other option that I'm aware of, either in the form of rigid toploaders or soft sleeves.
Not ideal, but at least it's easy to do! |
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