Did anyone catch this on eBay? Ferguson Bakery Premium

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&amp;it em=130297614098" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&amp;it em=130297614098</a><br><br>Seems like a steal to me. Thoughts?<br><br>======================================<br>For the premier online souce of information on baseball-related cigarette packs, visit <a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a>

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I saw it only because it was being talked about in the chatroom. IMO it went very cheap...something like that is probably $10,000+ in an REA auction.

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Dan - I agree 100%. I was shocked when I saw the $3500 price.<br><br>======================================<br>For the premier online souce of information on baseball-related cigarette packs, visit <a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a>

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Wow, 2 feedback seller, semi high opening bid.<br><br>Bet the buyer is elated.<br><br>Steve

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Waiting for that lucky discovery...<br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>jim sexton</b><p>Wow is right. A fantastic buy. This is only the third Ferguson premium of which I am aware. One sold in a 1998 Mastro auction. I do not know the selling price. Another sold in a private sale. The seller got over 15,000 for it, at least that is what the dealer told me he sold it for. It also may have been in better condition than the other two.<br> I picked up a similar Ferguson premium a few months ago. Unfortunately it was composed of movie stars rather than baseball players. That is about as close as I will ever come to that premium. Congrats to the buyer.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>1- I did not see that auction.<br><br>2- I'd not have paid $35 for it, much less $3500.<br><br>The seller says the pennants are 3x7. BF2 Ferguson felts aren't quite that big, and don't look at all like what's depicted. BF2s have the team across the top above the photo in big letters, not the player name.<br><br>The pennants aren't Ferguson premiums, either. Those things are 9x24. The seller says the entire thing is 24x24.<br><br>So I don't know what they are, I'm not convinced they're from 100 years ago. I feel a bit sorry for whoever bought it. I could be wrong about the authenticity... but I know those aren't BF2s and it just doesn't look right to me.<br><br>FW

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>think Ferguson D381, not Ferguson BF2, and it makes more sense.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Frank, the piece is 100% authentic.<br><br>The misconception here is that these pennants are in any way associated with the BF2's. These are associated with the 1916 D381 Ferguson cards. As evidenced in this blotter that you rarely see for sale. It states that one could get the &quot;pillow-top&quot; for a certain # of the cards' coupons (a la Zeenut cards) which is why you usually see the D381's without coupons.<br><br>The movie actor version of the pillow-top is more common than the baseball players.<br><br>-Rhett<br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1239753279.JPG" alt="[linked image]">

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Todd beat me to it!<br>-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Ahhhh...<br><br>Thank you, Gentlemen and scholars. I've not seen one of those. Ever. How could that be??? <br><br><br>I don't see them in the Standard Catalog, but I might not have looked in the right place.<br><br>FW

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Posted By: <b>Michael Steele</b><p>Very nice pick up for whoever the buyer is. Sweet

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Thanks for the accurate information, Todd and Rhett.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>After reading through the links and all, I'm still not too sure about this...<br><br><br>Seems to me that the pennant folks made two or 3 sewn wheels of pennants like this one. The did not make single pennants for use as premiums for bakeries. <br><br>I'm not aware of folks who have a few odd pennants like these in their collections.<br><br>So it may well be worth more than the $35 in cheapened it with above, but I'm still not convinced this was a good buy at this price. Not at all.

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Posted By: <b>jim sexton</b><p>Frank, Having done the research and written an article on this topic I can assure you that this is the real thing. Check the Mastro auction of 1998, lot 1192 and read the description. Or better yet, read the article in Old Cardboard,#8 Summer 2006. I personally talked to a highly respected dealer about this pillow top premium. He told me he sold the one he had for 17000 dollars. They are extremely rare but they are real.

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Posted By: <b>jim sexton</b><p><img src="http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i164/matty39/1057.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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Posted By: <b>jim sexton</b><p>Here is the movie star version <img src="http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i164/matty39/silentstars.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>That advertising card is great as well as the large display piece. If you ever want to sell the ad card I know of a buyer <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">.... And what might be even more rare than the large display piece; here is a D381 Ferguson card with a coupon. This was sold on ebay with another one and they are the only ones I have ever seen except a scan of one other (a scan of a coupon only, I think it was).....regards<br><br><img src="http://luckeycards.com/pd381fergusonslewis.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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Posted By: <b>Michael Steele</b><p>Leon, your killing me with that card. I think you had a D381 Ferguson Joe Wood w/o the coupon tab in the recent B&amp;L auction that a certain board member outside the Continental United States captured. I love that Lewis card.

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>Frank, I think the better question is whether the BF2 pennants were actually produced by Ferguson Bakery. It is clear (beyond dispute, really)from the above advertising and Leon's card with coupon that the felt &quot;pillow top&quot; was available from Ferguson. You observed yourself that individual pennants of the type shown on the pillow top were not available or at least have not been seen, so it seems impossible someone came up with a sewn home-made example patched together from pennants.<br><br>It is also apparent that Ferguson had 100+ photos of its own(the D381 cards)from which to choose for pennant selection, and used a slightly larger and slightly different style pennant than that found in BF2. So why, with plenty of photos and a style/size already in place, would Ferguson Bakery use m101-4 photos and a different pennant to create about 100 BF2s? Wouldn't it have been easier to use the materials and designs already in place?<br><br>In short, I have seen no confirmed connection between Ferguson Bakery and the BF2 pennants. Maybe someone can clarify that for me.

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Posted By: <b>jim sexton</b><p>I have owned that blotter for some time but did not notice until today that the picture on it representing the large premium pennant is actually the pennant found on the pillow top with a D381 picture. To date there is no Evers premium pennant.<br><br><br><br>

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>also strange is that the Evers photo is different from the D381 card of him, whereas all the other images from the ebay pennant match up with D381 except Johnson, who supposedly does not exist in that set.

[Leon]

I figure instead of starting a new thread I can revive this one and not have to give all of the credits, the statements are all here by their makers. Here is the Ferguson's Bakery Pillow Top that fits in this thread, though I don't know (someone will) if it is the one that was being talked about on ebay. This Pillow Top has to be one of my favorite pickups in the last few years. It is approximately 25" x 25".....and might as well throw in the Ferguson's Premium Alexander too :). It is approximately 23" x 9".


http://luckeycards.com/pbfpillowtop.jpeg

http://luckeycards.com/pbf2premiumalexander.jpeg

[benchod]

Great pickup Leon
I thought they both went very cheap

[matty39]

Hi Leon, Your premium is the one that sold in the 1998 Mastro auction. In fact the picture in my article is your premium. Old cardboard did a photo shop on the missing part. If you look closely, you can see the repair. Congrats again on two great pick-ups.

[matty39]

a few more premiums

[Leon]

a few more premiums

Thanks for showing those Premiums. That is the most I have ever seen in one place. Great room display!!

[RobertGT]

a few more premiums

That is one awesome mancave.