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02-07-2009, 11:00 AM

Posted By: leonHey Folks I have just spoken to Brian McQueen and have emailed Dan B and Matt W about looking at different hosting sites for Net54. With all of the issues that are going on, and the lack of interest of Net54 to do anything in the way of upgrades, I feel it might be time to go to a different host. I posted 2-3 questions in the last few weeks, on the technical forum for Net54, and no responses were given. I truly feel we can do better than this s/w. At the end of the day it's the participants that make the community. We have had this discussion before but its been a while and we have more issues today than we did before. This won't be a short process if we decide to change so it's not like anything will happen overnight. My main concern is porting over the information we have debated for the last 8yrs. I doubt we would go to a platform where the information couldn't be taken with us. Thoughts on this and potential new forum hosts? If we do change we will do a redirect and make sure EVERYONE is able to find us FROM THIS SITE. This change would potentially take care of the AOL issue, of members being blocked for no reason, and the other issues we have had and are having. best regards

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02-07-2009, 12:18 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThe site went down just as I was about to respond to this. I am by no means the most computer savvy guy on this site (probably right near the bottom), but even I recognize the software is old and needs upgrading. Many have complained about the edit function and the constant server error messages we get, so maybe it's time to make a change.

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02-07-2009, 12:22 PM

Posted By: leonI had posted this thread before we had the last glitch. It's not the fact that we have gone down a few times in the last few years as I am not sure that would be reason enough to move. I get weekly emails from members that are great guys that have been inadvertently blocked as they are AOL users...plus our functionality sucks, imo. Brian and I will be talking more this evening or tomorrow about it. All thoughts are welcomed.....

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02-07-2009, 12:57 PM

Posted By: Bill CornellI doubt we would go to a platform where the information couldn't be taken with us. Leon - Throwing in my 2 cents here. Unfortunately, as I learned from my brief and bad experience with N54, it would be a non-trivial project to bring over the data from the site without their cooperation, on the order of a few hundred hours from technical folks. Trying to be practical from my experience. Trae or Brian may disagree, but the only way I saw to do it was to scrape several 1000 pages, grab only the relevant data, then get it into a format that a new site would support. In short, too much to bite off. My suggestion is that you pick one of the many really good solutions that are out there and start a new VBC forum there, with a link back to this site. Yes, we'd lose search for this site from that one, but the N54 search feature is horrible (and won't get better, despite their promises) and most people don't use it, anyway. It'd be helpful, I think, to re-start some of the older, valuable threads here and let them get fresh input. Eventually, we'd wind up with much better content and almost everything that this forum has now. I'm willing to pitch in, advise, supervise, or be summarily overruled. Maybe we could have a conversation between interested parties outside of here. Bill

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02-07-2009, 01:02 PM

Posted By: Dave HaasLeon, If the archives and other info can also be moved as was stated as a possibility in your previous post, I vote for the move. The lack of response by this forums hosts to help fix problems sure would suggest Net 54 is not important to them. DH

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02-07-2009, 01:03 PM

Posted By: Bobby BinderI agree this place is an antique which may not be so bad for all the old dinosaurs here that collect vintage. The important thing is to be able to change your DNS pointer to your new site or at least when you make a change be able to put a link here that takes them to the new site. If you are just making a new site and expect everyone to automatically go there you will lose a lot of people. The Net54 is a big group of forums so not sure if they will give you that permission?

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02-07-2009, 01:06 PM

Posted By: leonThanks for the support. There is also a chance we could lock this forum down for a while and have a link to it from somewhere else. That way we would have the information here, but only be able to add to the new forum. It's only a few hundred dollars a year and I am sure we could keep it for a year or two.... It's a thought. I agree with you about trying to scrub this info. It would be difficult at best. I have some ideas I will discuss with you and Brian (and E, if he wants to help)....as well as Dan B and Matt, if they (ya'll) would like? We'll be talking....btw, I just checked and I had posted questions both 7 and 9 days ago on the Net54 tech forum, with nary an answer or response as of yet. edited to add that I was posting when a few responses came in. Bobby- that is exactly what I am thinking...a redirect and other measures to have our members go there automatically ...we won't do anything permaturely...

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02-07-2009, 01:13 PM

Posted By: dstudebaI respect Bill and his opinions greatly, but I have to disagree. I think it would be difficult and take a long time to recreate a lot of the information that is archived on this site. The loss of threads from knowledgeable people that for whatever reason are no longer with us would be horrible. People still read the Trader Speaks and other older hobby publications, I see the old threads as harder to read but equally important.

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02-07-2009, 02:04 PM

Posted By: John K Maybe a new site would make it easier for computer dummies like myself post pictures (I should get my daughter to show me how--how embarrassing!)

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02-07-2009, 02:11 PM

Posted By: Bill WilliamsLeon, I have a solution that may be mutually beneficial to us all. I just e-mailed you from my AOL account ~OC

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02-07-2009, 02:39 PM

Posted By: DougI'm all for it. It seems like I get an error message every other time I click on something here anymore.

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02-07-2009, 03:09 PM

Posted By: Butch & Co.FWIW, from the furthest thing from major players on this forum... If our vote has any weight, we strongly support doing whatever it takes to preserve and archive all the threads and posts that have accrued here over the years... We had a similar situation a few years ago with a Yahoo forum that was being moved to another location. One of the biggest stumbling blocks then was that message threads could not be saved en masse, as it were -- only individual posts, one at a time. Several of the major and most active participants there took it upon themselves to "divvy up" the workload and indeed copy thousands of individual posts into an archive file. It was a hugely labor-intensive copy-paste procedure, and unfortunately, it was impossible to retain those posts in the original "interactive" format, but at least no important information was lost. Perhaps a similar volunteer effort among some of the folks here might be a possibility if it's beyond the scope of the tech people at any new hosting service... Worth noting, perhaps, is that in the present Net54 format, entire threads can be saved with just a couple of clicks of the mouse button. Not sure, though, how mutually interactive those would be nor how they would (or could) be reorganized on a new host, but again, just a suggestion perhaps (perhaps not) worth investigating...

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02-07-2009, 03:09 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldI know the error message and editing problems... This site is really good because of the simple way threads list, the way posts are made, and the way photos are uplinked. I've been to some other similar sites, and none of the others have the ease and the flow that this one does. That is why folks come here. It is a disaster to lose the old threads. In an ideal world someone could pull it all, put it into document files, edit out some of the crap threads, and create some files that would be the good of what's gone before. That could then be emailed to those of us who want it. I don't see how what's been done in the past can be pasted into a new forum site. What should happen is that N54 folks should fix what's wrong, then improve the search mechanism for searching old threads (not even they could tinker with it and make it worse, it could only get better). Bobby had something about potentially losing folks if you change, I think he's right. I think you might gain a few. I know you'll lose a few. Still, a move might be necessary. One weighty decision... wish you well with it.

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02-07-2009, 03:32 PM

Posted By: Jeff W.I really can't imagine losing people because we would move to another site. I truly believe that everybody who has made it to this site can probably make it to another site. I am all for a new site if it will allow us to not have any technical glitches, slow loading, etc. I am am little worried about losing all the information, but I have a feeling we will be able to transfer over the good one's. Just my two cents Jeff W.

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02-07-2009, 03:37 PM

Posted By: leonI hope ya'll understand that we understand this is a major decision and we will not take it lightly at all. In a perfect world we would develop another site, load all of the Net54 information (I doubt we would edit any out), and then after the new one is tested and tested we would make the switch. I don't want to lose the archived threads and data either, as a few have mentioned. Our goal will be to accomplish everything and come out with a better site for everyone. The problem is that Network54.com has been promising updates for literally 5 yrs (or more)...and there hasn't been any good ones at all. They don't seem to care. I have 0 hope they will fix this software in the next several years. Even beside the small outage today, which wasn't a big deal, there are so many quirky issues it has made my hair fall out <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">....(well, I thought I would throw that in as a scapegoat) I/we have given thought to formats too. Contrary to some other forums/sites this one will remain as close to this format as is humanly possible. I have conferred with many board members and there are reasons this one is structured exactly as it is. As long as I am moderating it, it will probably remain with the same type format. I believe in ease of use over anything and this forum is very easy (as Frank said). I won't go to another format that is all jumbled up. I go to too many websites where there are a million things going on and jumping all over the place. How freakin' distracting is that? I feel each time we have made improvements to this site we have gotten a little better. I think most would concur. I expect no different methodology in the future. "Keep It Simple Stupid" is an old mantra for a reason.....I don't like change too much either, folks, but at some point I feel it is a disservice not to. Once again, rest assured, it will be easy to use and we won't go until it's tested and tested, if we make a move. It's not a firm decision but I expect us to probably start developing another site soon....Until then it will be everything as normal. If I had to guess, I would think it would be 1-3 months once we find another s/w we like before we would/could change....best regards

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02-07-2009, 03:38 PM

Posted By: joeLeon, not sure if this is related. But when I try to send an email to someone on the board using their name it sends me to AOL and tries to log me on to AOL with dial-up. I don't have AOL so I just cancel. Joe Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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02-07-2009, 03:42 PM

Posted By: Glen VI would love to see new forum s/w. Instead of losing people, it might bring a few back. Some people don't post due to questions not getting answered and getting buried under OT topics. Not sure how important the archives are? There are some great posts, but plenty that just waste bits. Maybe if people put together a list of posts worthy of saving?

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02-07-2009, 03:43 PM

Posted By: leonI have never heard of that. It is no secret, and if you read behind the scenes on the tech forums it would be imminently clear, that the devolopers of Net54 s/w have no love for AOL. I guess they have never been able to deal with it and it's ways....To put it politely they hate AOL.....

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02-07-2009, 03:53 PM

Posted By: joeHi Leon, I just clicked on your name and the AOL 9.0 screen appeared and it tried to log me onto AOL. I used to have AOL, but now have charter cable. Maybe it's at my end, I don't know. Joe Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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02-07-2009, 04:15 PM

Posted By: PaulNo AOL here. When I click on Leon's name, I get my Yahoo! mail.

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02-07-2009, 04:22 PM

Posted By: Jason CarotaIf you are running Windows, open the Control Panel. Double click Internet Options. In the Internet Options window, click on the programs tab. AOL may be listed as your default mail program.

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02-07-2009, 04:22 PM

Posted By: David McDonaldWhen I click on Leon's name I get this weird picture. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/June08/Leon.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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02-07-2009, 04:33 PM

Posted By: RonI am not a big poster here on Net54 because, 1. I don't have anywhere near the knowledge on vintage cards as other board members and I learn a lot from the others here. 2. When there are times I could maybe help a bit or ask a question (and this even goes on the BST page) as well I can't post. I am an AOL user, so it really is a pain in the a$$. I would say that I can post maybe two times out of ten. A change would be more then welcome..... Ron

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02-07-2009, 04:45 PM

Posted By: leonThat was for a BST thread. Now the cat is out of the bag about my suave look in 1974. Over some beers I will tell you some stories.... Ron- I hear ya'....You aren't the only one. I get emails every week about AOL issues. I know RBCraik has some of those too and last night it was John D..... I think AOL might cause a little havoc at some other sites but not near what it does here. After Brian and I talk some more, as he will get the short end of this stick, we will give an update. It seems as though now folks are willing to take a look as long as we keep the same premise as we have here. I guess I would say that if you like Net54 now you will continue to like it, and if you don't like it now, you probably won't in the future. I think it's probably more of a personal issue about the way this site is managed but that is not the basis for this thread....regards

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02-07-2009, 04:50 PM

Posted By: David McDonaldNo worries, Leon. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/June08/Dude.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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02-07-2009, 04:52 PM

Posted By: JoannI like this forum because it it so simple. I do like having all threads on the front page so you can browse everything at a glance - easier than opening categories for quick visits. So I appreciate that Leon will keep that open format. On the other hand, I don't like the scan-bomb going off after one week, and sometimes larger scan file allowances would be handy too. As far as preserving material from this forum, I think a key consideration is searchability after any move. Much as we value the history here, without searchability it's a pile of uncollated (and uncollatable) threads. If no search, best might be to leave it here with a link. I too would be happy to help with any simple (meaning within my techie limits) cut and paste kinds of things to help transfer archives. Although ... hahahaha count on me for maybe one an hour. I can't imagine I could cut and paste a whole lot without stopping and reading and getting all caught up in our history of threads. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> Let me know if you need help Leon. J

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02-07-2009, 05:05 PM

Posted By: leonI promise I won't respond to every post but David, thanks much for being my "bit" older brother, vis a vis the pictures. Why do we all look a little like Charley Manson, must be the hair? Joann- as always thanks for your support and offer of assistance. As this thing moves forward, and I think it will, I will let you and others know if any help will be needed. My guess is that it won't be, but it sure is nice of ya'll to offer. I know this forum has grown a lot since it started but I do still feel a certain "familiness" here. But I guess I am a little bit biased too. At any rate thanks to everyone, so far, for the words of encouragement. I guess I know a little bit of how a hermit crab feels now. We'll be at least "looking" at alternatives soon....best regards

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02-07-2009, 05:06 PM

Posted By: Fred CThe archives are the only reason I'd stay. I'd contemplate leaving if you cannot get technical support and you CAN take the archives. N54 may be having economic problems like everyone else and they may have furloughed a few people to stay afloat. I just hope the alternative is in better shape and can provide you with a better search engine. Perhaps you can try a parallel site for a while. If you find that the other site works then just move the archives to the next host. If you find the other site is just as responsive and lacks anything better then you can make your decision on how to proceed.

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02-07-2009, 06:04 PM

Posted By: joeJason, it does show AOL as my email, how do I change it? I tried deleting anything with AOL on my computer. Thanks joe JMAPLES0871@CHARTER.NET Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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02-07-2009, 06:10 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDavid, two thoughts when I see your picture: you look like Jesus; or perhaps I saw your picture hanging up in the post office?

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02-07-2009, 06:37 PM

Posted By: David McDonaldActually both, Jeff. It was a Vancouver PD mug shot taken when I was busted for Impersonating a Messiah.

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02-07-2009, 07:26 PM

Posted By: Rob LHey Leon, Not sure if this is any help, but when the Vintage Memorabilia people originally left here (before this forum started one), we had gone to a vintage mem. Link on the game used forum. Therenforum runs very well with very few technical issues. It may not hurt to contact the admins over there to see what they use. BTW, they were original Net54 users also. Rob L <a href="http://www.freewebs.com/loefflerrd" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.freewebs.com/loefflerrd</a>/

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02-07-2009, 08:36 PM

Posted By: AlanI highly suggest a host of FreeForums.com. A sample site hosted by the service is <a href="http://apbr.org/forum/index.php" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://apbr.org/forum/index.php</a>.

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02-07-2009, 08:38 PM

Posted By: leonWith a few clicks I found what they are using and it looks pretty good. I am going to explore it with Brian....they also did exactly what I was talking about in locking the old forum and having it as an archive....Thanks for the heads up....regards

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02-07-2009, 08:49 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldI went to that apbr org forum place... how easy or difficult is it to post images?? And this reminds me of being a kid... when the fun lot to play in was terminated because of a new house being built... we'd have to find a new place to play...

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02-07-2009, 08:56 PM

Posted By: leonMy guess is that this site is one of the more difficult to post pictures on, though I don't post any on any other sites. (this s/w is so old it can't be great) Alan- that is the same s/w, from the same company that I was referencing, when I said Brian and I would check it out. Most of the searches I have done today, and I have spent several hours on it, lead back to 1 of 3-4 different s/w/programming packages. There is a lot of good s/w out there it's just a matter of picking one. I am sure we will need to investigate a few things before we pick one to try. I haven't heard of any show stoppers on looking at other software, so that's a good thing... and edited to add that I think we will be able to do it with s/w and things we have, but if not, I/we will look for volunteers to help. The offers are certainly appreciated.

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02-07-2009, 08:57 PM

Posted By: Dave HornishThere are 450 pages of info here. What if people adopted a dozen pages each, copied them and then brought them over to the new site?

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02-09-2009, 07:48 PM

Posted By: ElliotWhen I started this forum, the N54 software was if not cutting edge, at least very up to date. In the intervening years they have done very little to update the software and there is certainly a lot of better software providers now with a multitude of new features which would make the forum a better place. I know all of the mods at one time or another have investigated moving the forum to a new provider, but the archives were always the primary stumbling block. However, N54 seems unwilling (or unable) to improve their software, so a move is inevitable. Therefore, I feel a move sooner is probably better than later. Since we don't want to make this move too often, it certainly makes sense to do a thorough analysis of the alternatives (and Leon certainly seems to have gone far down this road) to ensure that the right provider is selected. I would certainly be willing to do whatever I could to help with the process.

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02-09-2009, 10:16 PM

Posted By: Rob LHey Leon, You are correct in regards to the former Net54 threads still being accessible from the current Game Used Forum board. There is actually a link to the old Net54 board. I don't recall if a search on the current forum will also pull up the Net54 threads also but I would imagine that could be done. Rob L <a href="http://www.freewebs.com/loefflerrd" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.freewebs.com/loefflerrd</a>/

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02-10-2009, 05:27 AM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldIf we get a new site, it would be nice if what we typed would line up in with what's below it, in columns, like a box score. As it is now, here, what we end up with is a mess... eg: Chicago Cubs ab r h rbi Sheckard lf 3 0 0 0 Evers 2b 4 1 3 1 Schulte rf 3 0 1 0 Chance 1b 4 0 3 1 Steinfeldt3b 2 0 0 0 Hoffman cf 4 0 0 0 Tinker ss 4 0 1 0 Kling c 3 1 0 0 Overall p 2 0 1 0 -------------- Totals 29 2 10 2 When I typed that, it lined up quite nicely on my screen...

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02-10-2009, 05:57 AM

Posted By: leonThanks again E and others......The support is appreciated. Brian and I spoke Sunday morning and he is investigating a new host as we speak. It will be communicated very well as we go down the road to better s/w. My guess is that in 2-3 months we will have a different shell to be housed in....thanks to all for your ideas. My guess is that, at least immediately, this site will be linked to the new one for quite a while and this one will be "read only", but nothing is definite yet.. Even after we find the new host it will take a bit to get it to where we need it to be. best regards

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03-19-2009, 10:49 AM

Posted By: leonOur new solution is coming along quicker than anticipated. If I had to guess I would say we are a matter of a few weeks away from a new host. It looks great too. It will look very much like this one but will be running on a webhosting server by yahoo and will be software that we won't have to rely on any other company for. It is owned, outright. It has a million bells and whistles and I think ya'll will really like it. Everything and anything you have seen on other boards, it has. And it is all under our control with no need for help from a company, Network54, that doesn't seem to care. Stay tuned....AND sorry for the Network54 maintenance tonight.....That too is well beyond our (the moderators) control. I am sure their maintenance is only fixing an egregious problem and not a true s/w update. regards

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03-19-2009, 10:50 AM

Posted By: barrysloateThey're so incompetent that they didn't even spell "unavailable" correctly.

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03-19-2009, 10:53 AM

Posted By: Jeff PriznerHa! I noticed that too.

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03-19-2009, 04:51 PM

Posted By: Frank Wakefieldunavailalbe.... fortunately, I have some Tinkerbell watches for one of my daughters, who likes a certain Tinkerbell watch. And no others. I keep spares, and buy them on eBay when they surface. Now all I have to do is sort out a Disneyland one from the Disneyworld ones, then I'll have me a California time watch... and that way I'll know about this pending unavailalbitly.

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03-19-2009, 05:06 PM

Posted By: DougThere was going to be a meeting to give California its own time zone, but everybody was "unavailalbe" to attend.

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03-19-2009, 05:49 PM

Posted By: leonI see our little forum being tightened up a little bit with the new software coming soon. It might mean a few less posts but so be it. You will probably be able to stay anonymous in your posting, but to post in the first place you will need to register with good contact info. Oh happy days, No trolls and no sandbagging.....(touting your own stuff anonymously).... I have been playing with the new Control Panel of Vbulletin. If you are a regular collector you will like the new system. If you are a troll or anonymous troublemaker you will no longer exist. best regards edited to clarify that I don't think the current rules will change with regards to anonymity, at all. IF you are throwing jabs you will still need to be known. (I just want to head that one off at the pass.)

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03-19-2009, 05:52 PM

Posted By: Rob D.I just hope there's no noize filter on the new system.

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03-20-2009, 03:58 AM

Posted By: Dave F Leon- All the bells and whistles huh? Will there be dancing girls? I'm not asking for myself...am thinking of Barry. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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03-20-2009, 05:46 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellLeon, Net 54 has worked perfectly for me and I can never recall a problem in my 3 yrs of posting here. I vote for no change. For those of us that are very low tech and where turning on the computer is even a challenge I hope this doesn't bring any more complexity to the process.

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03-20-2009, 06:53 AM

Posted By: Marty OgelvieJim,I don't think the new software (vbulletin) will be much more complicated for posters like your or myself. The think the true complexity is behind the scenes. I think the users will enjoy more bells and whistles but you don't have to use them. If you can post on Net54, you can surely post on the new boards.. BTW, NET54 is far more complicated for regular posters than most any other bulletin board software available today.The hardest part will be registering on the new boards (if Leon can't transfer his base over) and bookmarking the new site! <img height="14" alt="happy.gif" src="/images/happy.gif" width="14"> marty

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03-20-2009, 06:59 AM

Posted By: barrysloateI think the new site will offer more options but for those who are computer challenged the basics will not change.

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03-20-2009, 07:02 AM

Posted By: leonThe basics will definitely not change, as it will be just as easy to post, but anyone posting will have to re-register one time.... Overall the new platform is light years ahead of this one. I think it might be ready in a week or less at this point. Once we got going on the install, the back end looks detailed but not too difficult, and Brian is whipping along at breakneck speed. regards

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03-20-2009, 09:21 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellMarty, Sounds good although I don't know what bookmarking means. Jim

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03-20-2009, 09:50 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaHow do you get to this website every day Jim?

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03-20-2009, 09:51 AM

Posted By: MattDan - what's a website? <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-20-2009, 11:04 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellMatt, Glad to see I'm not the only one in the dark. Dan, I don't check every day but when I do I am trained to hit letstalksportscards.com then I click twice on hobby info and then I click twice on network54-baseball. Then this board appears--like magic! Jim

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03-20-2009, 11:19 AM

Posted By: davidcyclebackI've seen many football teams fire a .500 coaches only discover he was better than anyone else they could get. I'd call this board a .500 board. It has its occasional issues and error messages, but generally works. If the next board is a Tom Landry, of even a Don Coryell, then go for it. Just realize the celebrated new coach sometime turns out to be a Don Morton (former 1980s Wisconsin Badgers coach who now work for a computer company in Fargo-- say no more). After just a few years of their new hire, the Badgers longed for the days of .500 ball. Though, to end to the story on a significantly positive note, the Badgers' replacement for Morton was a Notre Dame assistant coach named Barry Alvarez. Twenty years after that hire, Alvarez is universally ranked as the greatest coach in school history and there's a bronze statue of him in front of the stadium.

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03-20-2009, 12:14 PM

Posted By: leonMatt was being sarcastic....Matt knows technology better than most of us...

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03-20-2009, 12:20 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellLeon, ....obviously--thats my sense of humor--I was going to put a smile by my comment but figured people would know--even I know what a website is. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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03-20-2009, 12:50 PM

Posted By: leonI assume you KNOW what bookmarking is too? It's sort of hard to tell sometimes what folks are being cutesy about and what they really don't know.

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03-20-2009, 01:00 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellLeon, No--I don't know what a bookmark is except what you put in a book to mark what pg you are on--its one of those "techy" words people like to throw around to show they are tech savvy. Jim

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03-20-2009, 01:00 PM

Posted By: Jim VBJim C, I know you use AOL. In the upper right corner of this page is a red heart icon. If you click on that, a screen comes up that asks if you want to add this site to your favorites. If you do so, it is stored in the "Favorites" listing on the upper right side of the AOL main page. That's "bookmarking." It's the electronic version of folding over the corner of a catalog page that you want to go back to later.

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03-20-2009, 01:06 PM

Posted By: Matt"its one of those "techy" words people like to throw around to show they are tech savvy." And "shirt" and "pants" are words people like to throw around to show they are fashion savvy. <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-20-2009, 01:08 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultzif you are used to accessing this board through a link on letstalksportscards, then I am confident my good friends over there will update the link to send you to the new site. Still, it wouldn't hurt to learn a couple new tricks. Bookmarking is easy and a huge timesaver.

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03-20-2009, 01:31 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellThanks Jim--I do use AOL for those of you web guys. Never noticed a heart but I will check it out this weekend. Matt--no, more like a Nehru jacket. QA bookmark vs a shirt is more like the backup shortstop for the Indians in 1966 vs the right fielder for the Yankees in 1927....except for an ultra techie.

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03-20-2009, 01:40 PM

Posted By: Mattnm

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03-20-2009, 01:47 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellMatt-we disagree but its fine--good luck.

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03-27-2009, 12:26 PM

Posted By: leonWe are in the process of porting over all of the old threads to the new board. Hopefully it will be done today. The new board is done except for that. It will certainly take Brian, Dan and myself some time to get used to the new back end of it but it will be well worth it. You guys are going to love it. Jim Crandall- if you need personal help in navigating and using the new site I will help you through it. There is nothing to fear except fear itself.

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03-27-2009, 12:58 PM

Posted By: Jeff W.Leon When can we expect to move to the new site? A couple of days? Months? Jeff

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03-27-2009, 01:14 PM

Posted By: leonI think we will get over there this weekend, one way or the other.....here is a quick peek....but registration is closed right now...Remember that there is still some work to do...but it's mainly porting over the old info... www.net54baseball.com I have checked with 2 different lawyers on the name and I think we should be fine....We are in a different "business" than Network54.com....which is a trademarked name.... I am going to lock this thread as I started a new one on the same topic....