View Full Version : Anyone have a value on a E96 Proof ?
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03-14-2009, 10:43 AM
Posted By: <b>Jim Manos</b><p>Or a idea of what one maybe worth? Thank you in advance.
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03-14-2009, 11:16 AM
Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>e96 proof? or is it a cut card from a notebook? if the latter...it's worth a lot less than an actual e96.<br><br>
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03-14-2009, 11:16 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>First of all it's probably not a proof it's from some kind of Notebook cover (just guessing here)....and then I think you have about $50-$75 for a common and varying amounts for a HOF'er. If it was truly a real E96 proof I think it would be at least a few thousand....but I am pretty sure it isn't....just my opinion based on what I remember...<br><br><br>edited typo and high end of estimate
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03-14-2009, 11:59 AM
Posted By: <b>Jim Manos</b><p>Per Pat Quinn it is a E96 Proof? How do u tell the difference?
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03-14-2009, 12:05 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>No disrespect to whomever Pat Quinn is but my educated guess is that it is going to be part of a notebook cover. For the most part if it has a name at the bottom and doesn't have cross hairs, it won't be a real proof...though I think the term "proof" really means a card in any stage up to completion (print experts can give the technical answer). But as you know Jim, proofs were used to align and further produce the end product. These notebook cover ones are on thinner stock too. So if it doesn't have cross hairs- strike one, if it does have his name on obverse- strike two, and if it is on thinner stock- strike three it's part of a notebook cover. Hope this helps...<br><br><br>edited to add that what you have are in fact generally labeled proofs, but they aren't even close....<br><br> and my example of the misnomer- notebook cut out aka proof<br><br><br><img src="http://luckeycards.com/pe96tinkernotebook.jpg" alt="[linked image]">
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03-14-2009, 12:15 PM
Posted By: <b>Jim Manos</b><p>The card originally came from Pat Quinn to the guy that offered to me. FYI, Pat Quinn is one of our hobby pioneer's from outside Chicago as well as one of the first guys to do sports card auctions...
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03-14-2009, 12:39 PM
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Steinbach a long time ago before Mastro & Steinbach hooked up. Quinn ran mail auctions for a LONG LONG time. Not sure when/if he stopped them.
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03-14-2009, 01:08 PM
Posted By: <b>mike</b><p>Agreed, Pat Quinn is a modern hobby pioneer. Regular at the old Chicagoland shows. In mid-70s, famously traded a 49 PCL set for millions of cards establishing a set-builders inventory he probably still has. Operated a sports collectors store south of Chicago (Lagrange) for decades - might still be open. I understand he still runs his weekly mail auctions.
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03-14-2009, 01:15 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Pat Quinn is a hobby legend who goes back to at least the 1970's. But as I said in previous threads, the term "proof" is kicked around far too casually, and most of the time it is used incorrectly. Since there are notebook covers known that picture E96's, that is what this most likely is.
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03-14-2009, 01:29 PM
Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p> pat quinn opened what i think was the 1st ever sports card store on archer ave in chicago in the 70's. later moved the store to downtown lagrange, moved again in the early 90's and sadly closed that one soon afterward.
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03-14-2009, 02:51 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Pat sounds like a great guy. My guess is the "proof" that you have Jim, is a notebook cut out.....show a scan if you would like to. I have not personally seen a real e96 proof...though there could very well be some out there...regards
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03-14-2009, 06:43 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Here is a scan of a notebook (owned by a little girl, homework was from Sep/Oct 1913), Ive only seen 1 complete and 2 covers only.<br><br>I found the notebook on eBay in 1999 (sold it a few years ago), and before I found the notebook the cards were all thought to be proofs. I remember it well because one of my first questions I asked on the older FullCount board (before Net54) was about this notebook and it cause a big stir. Many collectors didnt want to hear that their so called "proofs" may really be a cutout from a notebook. In my opinion they are still cards and were meant to be cut out, even more than some of the candy box cards. The way to tell is the stock is very thin compared to E95/E96 stock and many times it will have the burnt orange color around the border. <br><br><img src="http://www.centuryoldcards.com/images/notebook.jpeg" alt="[linked image]"><br><br>The cards are very rare overall, but sell for far less than the E95/E96 card. Ive seen 20 different. <br><br><img src="http://www.centuryoldcards.com/images/1913notebookchanceetc.jpeg" alt="[linked image]">
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03-16-2009, 12:56 PM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>That isn't a proof Jim, that came off of a child's notebook. Did you get it from a guy in PA? I informed him of what it was at last year's National but he argued with me. Value about $50. sorry Dan.<br><br>