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03-10-2009, 08:35 PM

Posted By: leonEven though Bill Mastro had sold his company I believe he still had daily activity at Mastro Auctions and was still very much in the scenes at shows, events and functions, at least from what I saw around the Nationals I have attended. I don't believe he will be affiliated with the new company in any capacity. It does look as though the other 3 top executives have gone to form the new auction house. I know all of them and I wish them the best. Doug has always been a strong supporter of Net54 and it's appreciated. As a matter of fact Doug has already said he would like to speak again this year at the 8th (I think) National Net54 Dinner. best regards edited to add that one of these threads at the top is enough

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03-10-2009, 08:39 PM

Posted By: TimJust a question so don't shoot the stupid if that's what I am... Is this a means of providing the same product and service under a new name and escape the speculation of the former company?

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03-10-2009, 08:42 PM

Posted By: MattAnother question - what does this mean for those who have consigned to or bought from Mastro in the last month? <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-10-2009, 08:47 PM

Posted By: CatA movement down from 20% BP to 17.5% is a step in the right direction. That really chapped my a$$ even if it didn't affect how much I bid.

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03-10-2009, 08:58 PM

Posted By: leonYou can rest assured all of those matters will be taken care of in a professional manner. I didn't talk to Doug specifically about it but I am sure everything is fine there. I even asked if he could get my latest winnings out soon and he said no problem. I am quite sure no consignor or winning bidder will lose a penny in the transition. The top 3 folks have been in the hobby a long time and are still in it. regards

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03-10-2009, 09:03 PM

Posted By: Tim KindlerOK, What is the real story behind all of the possible suspicious stuff that went on with Mastro and the four gentlemen who owned it. I have heard/ read things supposedly where they were being investigated for some kind of wrong doing and that there was suppossedly FEDS on the floor of the National last year investigating them. Before I would ever think badly of them or have a negative feeling about their new company, does anyone really have the facts behind all of these rumors or investigations? I have bought and sold through Mastro, approximately from 2003 to 2007, but haven't done any business with them since. No particualr reason for this, but nothing has struck my interest. My dealings with them have been positive. I just wish I knew the real story and maybe there IS NO story. Thanks, Tim Kindler

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03-10-2009, 09:09 PM

Posted By: leonAll the public, or I, know is that there was/is an investigation going on with Mastro Auctions. I have heard a million rumors about other things but I think that is all we really know for sure. Does anyone else have proof of anything else? regards

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03-10-2009, 09:14 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaWell...I have no idea what's going on with Mastro and the feds, but this sale will only help to fuel the rumors.

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03-10-2009, 09:17 PM

Posted By: TimLeon- I know nothing, have proof of nothing, and don't like to speculate on gossip, just thought the move was interesting and probably a smart one given the current cloud hanging over Mastro.

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03-10-2009, 09:58 PM

Posted By: leonLegendary Auctions Acquires Assets of Mastro Auctions New Sports and Americana collectibles source to provide enhanced personalized customer service to the hobby Lansing, IL March 2, 2009 - Legendary Auctions, a newly formed Sports and Americana auction house has announced today it has taken possession of Mastro Auctions assets. Legendary Auctions will preside over a customer base that has been responsible for the sale of over a quarter of a billion in sales of the finest memorabilia since 1996. All current registered bidders in Mastro Auctions will be automatically transferred to Legendary Auctions and the current catalog subscriptions will be honored. The completion of all outstanding Mastro Auctions business will be seamlessly facilitated, processed and completed through Legendary Auctions. While Legendary Auctions presents an exciting new industry collectibles source for high quality Sports and Americana items, its leadership possesses over 100 years of collecting experience. Well- known and respected hobby veterans, Doug Allen, Mark Theotikos and Ron Oser will head the new auction house at its corporate headquarters in Lansing, IL, as well as its East Coast consignment presence in the Philadelphia area. Legendary Auctions will hit the ground running and launch its first auction event in April 2009. The sale will include a wide selection of high-end Sports and Americana. According to Doug Allen, CEO of Legendary Auctions, the new firm will focus on mainstream, important Sports and Americana material, and will be built on a foundation of personalized, one-on-one customer service. "In moving forward, we recognize the need to take stock of what has been so successful in the past," says Allen. "At its core, this has always a relationship driven business. Legendary Auctions will be a customer-centric operation at every level." Legendary Auctions will ensure that the auction process is pure by guaranteeing that there will be no in-house bidding in their event. "The principals employed by Legendary Auctions will put their own collecting interests aside and concentrate solely on providing opportunities for our customers," said Allen. "There will be no mixing of business and pleasure at Legendary Auctions in terms of our own collecting pursuits. This will really be all about our customers." Initially, Legendary Auctions plans to conduct five auctions annually. There will be four phone/internet events and one live event during the summer. Bidding in the April 2009 auction will begin on Monday, April 20th and conclude on Wednesday and Thursday April 29th and 30th. Bill Mastro, who for the past decade has led Mastro Auctions will not be part of Legendary Auctions. The hobby pioneer has acknowledged that for a time he will step away from the hobby. "Circumstances make it clear to me that the business needs to move in a different direction at this time and Legendary Auctions is a positive step that allows everyone to be taken care of, especially our customers who have been so loyal," said Mastro. "I am looking forward to taking some time off for now, and wish Legendary Auctions only the best as they move forward." Legendary Auctions is still currently accepting high quality consignment material for their April Premier Auction event. For more information on Legendary Auctions, a schedule of auction events or to consign an item in future auctions, call 708-889-9380 or go to www.legendaryauctions.com.

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03-10-2009, 09:59 PM

Posted By: Fred CDoes anyone know who the principles are for Legedary Auctions?

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03-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Posted By: Fred CIt seems like Doug and crew wanted to divest themselves of the Mastro name and influence. It's going to be business as usual. I'm willing to guess that they're going to continue to offer lots of nice material.

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03-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Posted By: Scott Fandangovery interseting late night press release... but dont worry, all current transactions will be honored by new company, no worries there...

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03-10-2009, 10:09 PM

Posted By: jay wolt"It seems like Doug and crew wanted to divest themselves of the Mastro name and influence" Then why didn't the trio just start their own company fresh? Why buy out the assets and be affiliated w/ Mastro?

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03-10-2009, 10:14 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJay, why start over fresh when you've got a few million dollars worth of consignments left over for Mastro's April auction?

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03-10-2009, 10:16 PM

Posted By: randcalling on Jeff.... lets here your perception.

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03-10-2009, 10:17 PM

Posted By: randsounds still sticky to me. i think getting consignments will still be a tough road ahead.

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03-10-2009, 10:20 PM

Posted By: jay wolt"Jay, why start over fresh when you've got a few million dollars worth of consignments left over for Mastro's April auction? " Jeff, fair enough. But do the consignors have any legal recourse to get their lots back? Its no longer Mastro, its now Legendary Auctions and Bill Mastro has no part of the new company.

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03-10-2009, 10:30 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI'm sure they do have some recourse. Consignors did not sign a contract with this new venture no matter how much it smells like Mastro Auctions. Doug is legendary in the auction business; unfortunately, that is the problem.

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03-11-2009, 04:39 AM

Posted By: JoannNote that they took over assets and did not just buy the company stock outright. Among other things, this means that the new owners of the assets generally do not take over Mastro liabilities. Usually this is in play for possible future environmental issues, product or employee lawsuits, etc. But along with shedding the name, they've shed liabilities for the most part too. Not sure it's a factor here. Most buyers want an asset deal rather than a stock deal for a variety of reasons, not just the liability considerations. J

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03-11-2009, 05:36 AM

Posted By: AnonymousLiabilities can be held to follow assets if a court finds that the purchaser is merely a continuation of the seller or if a transaction is entered into fraudulently for the purpose of escaping liability for the sellers obligations. I have no idea if either circumstance would apply here, just trying to complete the statement of the law.

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03-11-2009, 06:16 AM

Posted By: Sean CI checked out their site last night, and it looks like some of the links are still active... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> http://www.legendaryauctions.com/rules.aspx Nice to see that they just copied the Mastro auction rule page over verbatim. Their main page had originally indicated that BP was going to be 17.5, not the 20% listed. One interesting thing from their email: "Legendary Auctions will ensure that the auction process is pure by guaranteeing that there will be no in-house bidding in their event. "The principals employed by Legendary Auctions will put their own collecting interests aside and concentrate solely on providing opportunities for our customers," said Allen. "There will be no mixing of business and pleasure at Legendary Auctions in terms of our own collecting pursuits. This will really be all about our customers." Good for starters. I hope this means that they won't be listing any employee or principals items in the auction as well.

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03-11-2009, 06:21 AM

Posted By: JoannHi Peter, <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> That's exactly why I inserted the word "generally" and said I wasn't sure if it was a factor here. That was leaving wiggle room for this issue. Plus I wanted to be careful not to make any strong statement that suggested there are big or specific potential liabilities even out there for people to be concerned about, b/c I have no clue that there are any. J

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03-11-2009, 06:40 AM

Posted By: AlanWill they now reduce the cost ($100 previously) to just attend their live auction at the National ? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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03-11-2009, 06:52 AM

Posted By: Joe D.""There will be no mixing of business and pleasure at Legendary Auctions in terms of our own collecting pursuits. This will really be all about our customers." Is that what it was? just good ole harmless mixin' of business and pleasure?

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03-11-2009, 06:57 AM

Posted By: Rob D."Yee-haw! I bid $1,000. Aw hell ... make it $10,000!" <img src="http://www.netnik.com/cure/photos/threeauction.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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03-11-2009, 07:01 AM

Posted By: randMaybe its me, but this is a mess. i certainly do not know what has happened to Mastro Auctions, but they went from the White House to the Out House. Selling $10,000,000 record auctions to slipping away literally over night. the economy and trust issues are not going to make this an easy path. i think they should have waited and made this seem more like a brand new venture. this to me is lipstick on a pig.

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03-11-2009, 07:13 AM

Posted By: Michael CEveryone here is much more knowledgeable about Mastro than me, but since this is an Internet Message Board....everyone can have an opinion <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> I agree that this seems like putting lipstick on a pig. Seems like a lot of short term thinking going on by those guys. Some people will still be suspicious about them and think there is something crooked going on. But I have to believe that the new heads of Legendary Auctions don't really care about those few people. They have a bunch of consignments for their next auction in April and are eager to reap the $$ from those sales. Is that short term thinking? Yup. Long term they will continue lose ground to REA and others, as future consignors see the huge sums and top notch items being sold by other houses. But there is enough of an established base of people who will consign and bid in their auctions to keep them humming. No disrespect meant, but the 20 or so vocal people here, who disdain them won't prevent the people who run the place from making a good living. Mastro was once upon a time at the top of the heap. Now they are headed to be a second tier auction house (at least in sports). But can you still make a good living running a 2nd tier house? Yup. PR-wise I would say from reading their press release that these guys have heard the complaints about Mastro customer service. It will be interesting to see if they can improve the service so many people complain about.

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03-11-2009, 07:33 AM

Posted By: AlanI agree with Michael. They have built up such a huge following that we collectors probably won't notice any decline in quality of memorabilia in their auctions. Did they say they are eliminating their "classic" auctions. Perhaps, they will be combining their "premier" auctions with their "classic" auctions. Nevertheless, if the quality in upcoming auctions is not as good as previous auctions, we won't know if it's because of the economy or because of this change. I just hope they still offer free catalogs, though. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif">

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03-11-2009, 08:01 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaIs this the "Big news" that Jim C. alluded to a few weeks back?

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03-11-2009, 08:13 AM

Posted By: JimmyI am not sure what to think about all this, only time will tell if the change will work for these guys. Maybe the hobby is changing for the better, or this is just a sign of things getting worse. Interesting story and maybe we can all learn something about what really happened. The one thing I do know is this change will gain a lot of attention in the hobby, and more information will soon be available. Jimmy

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03-11-2009, 08:34 AM

Posted By: James FeaginIt seems like Doug and crew wanted to divest themselves of the Mastro name and influence. It's going to be business as usual. I'm willing to guess that they're going to continue to offer lots of nice material. I'm pretty sure it was the other way around. James

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03-11-2009, 08:34 AM

Posted By: AnonymousInterested to know if anyone is still waiting for their December Mastro consignment check? Hate to post openly about it but they said it was mailed 12 days ago (way past their 45 day commitment) and the past few days they have not been picking up the phone nor responding to voicemails/emails (now I see why). They have an opportunity to make this right of course but with 0 customer service and a convenient change of identity I'm just trying to figure out what kind of fight I am in for. Update: Just got a call from Mastro (perhaps the awesome power of this board?) and they said they will be cutting a check and mailing out. So while it was not mailed when them claimed 12 days ago it does sound like they are working to resolve outstanding stuff which is all I can ask at this point considering and hope it goes out as they promise.

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03-11-2009, 09:32 AM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman"Some people will still be suspicious about them and think there is something crooked going on. But I have to believe that the new heads of Legendary Auctions don't really care about those few people." Truer words never spoken. And Tom, maybe you should email the head of Legendary Auctions at his Mastro email address?

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03-11-2009, 09:50 AM

Posted By: George HWill Legendary Auctions offer free 'restoration and stabilization' jobs like Mastro did for VIP consignors? http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1102513863/WHAT+IS+THE+KEELER+ROOKIE

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03-11-2009, 01:17 PM

Posted By: Aaron M.This really just continues an amazing chain of events concerning Mastro Auctions and Doug Allen over the last year. You gotta think this is just an attempt by Doug to layer himself and his cohorts from legal liability that could result from multiple lawsuits against MastroNet if indeed it turns out that shill bidding was going on for years (as their inability to produce bidding records to the FBI would seem to indicate). As others have pointed out though, the manner in which they've done it (which I would assume came under advice from their criminal defense lawyers) seems extraordinarily transparent and probably wouldn't stick. Personally, I wonder if this means that charges are imminent from the FBI investigation, and this is an attempt to prevent the FBI from seizing their assets (well, their consignor's assets). Knowing that that threat is hanging over them, I just don't know how anyone consigns valuable material to them unless they are truly desperate (i.e., American Memorabilia desperate). With their sales already way down (suspiciously after the investigation was announced and after Doug announced Mastro would start keeping bidding records), I just don't see how this rather half-ass attempt at a new incarnation is going to survive. I still vividly recall getting an unsolicited call from Doug Allen about five years ago vehemently denying that the fact that Mastro allowed its employees to bid on Mastro auctions was harmful to bidder trust and could give the appearance that shill bidding was going on. It only took five years and an FBI criminal investigation to change his mind. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> You just know that somewhere Rob Lifson is reading this stuff and laughing his butt off.

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03-11-2009, 01:39 PM

Posted By: leonIf nothing else you are certainly predictable.

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03-11-2009, 01:40 PM

Posted By: D. Markel Now with Bill Mastro out of the hobby spotlight, what is NY Daily News writer Michael O'Keefe going to do with this suddenly aquirred immense amount of free time on his hands?

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03-11-2009, 01:42 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaSomething tells me that O'Keeffe will be overjoyed to hear this latest news.

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03-11-2009, 01:43 PM

Posted By: Tom Boblittis more fuel for O'Keefe's fire, I'd say...........

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03-11-2009, 02:19 PM

Posted By: Fred CLeon, Barry, et al (those that conduct auctions), Are you supposed to keep bidding records?

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03-11-2009, 02:22 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanThat O'Keeffe -- he sure hates federally investigated auction houses and their successor companies. Oh and cards, too, he sure hates cards.

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03-11-2009, 02:25 PM

Posted By: barrysloateFred - I believe it may be the law to do so, the same way one must keep financial records. Since my auction went to computer a couple of years ago, the records are automatically saved.

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03-11-2009, 02:25 PM

Posted By: Tom BoblittWe've never seen YOU Lichtman AND O'Keefe at the same time in the same place........... Things that make you go hmmmmm...............

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03-11-2009, 02:52 PM

Posted By: boxingcardmanI know a number of consignors to past Mastro auctions who are owed considerable money for months now. They are getting no answer on the phone when trying to contact Mastro. Doesn't look confidence inspiring. If the asset sales deals I've been attacking lately as fraudulent transfers are any indicator, the goal of the transfer is to leave all of the liabilities and obligations with the dead shell and start fresh. Normally that would mean that the purchaser obtains only enumerated assets and leaves the rest behind. Whether the book of future auction consignments is assignable and has been assigned is a good question. You would have to check your Mastro contract to see if they could assign your consignment to another entity. On the older ones I had I did not see anything allowing for or disallowing assignment. Any IL attorneys could better explain those issues. Given the way all this went down, I would not consign them a 1993 Donruss set...except with a big cash advance. Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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03-11-2009, 02:55 PM

Posted By: barrysloateHow on earth could Doug, Ron, and Mark expect to successfully go out on a new venture without taking care of those consignors? That would be financial suicide.

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03-11-2009, 03:02 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaBarry, I would hope that everything is going to be taken care of because if they don't then everyone will know that Legendary Auctions is just Mastro with a new name.

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03-11-2009, 03:06 PM

Posted By: JosephI'd have gone with thechickenshavecomehometoroost.com

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03-11-2009, 03:15 PM

Posted By: barrysloateIf they want new consignors they have to make sure all the old consignors come out whole.

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03-11-2009, 04:45 PM

Posted By: johnIf consignors are out there who have yet to be paid, name them. I believe everyone was paid, late by a month but paid. If anyone has a name or wants to speak up, please do. I was one of the consignors and I was paid. It seems like this would be the place for an unpaid consignor to rant and rave and I've yet to see it...rumors and more rumors at this point.

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03-11-2009, 04:49 PM

Posted By: MattJohn - did you read the thread? Tom has yet to be paid and Adam says he knows of several others. <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-11-2009, 05:20 PM

Posted By: johnMatt-I read the thread. I read the "I know of others" claim. Im just saying, name them. Have them come on here and tell the stories, if they have a story. Having a lot of unpaid consignors when none of them are posting on here regarding it...doesn't seem plausible. All holy hell breaks loose on here regualrly when something as small as an overgraded card is sold, a misdated title in an auction listing. That's the great thing of this board, nothing is going to sneak by. If there are a lot of consignors who have yet to be paid, where are they? Why aren't they posting here? That's what I am asking.

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03-11-2009, 05:23 PM

Posted By: Brian"I know a number of consignors to past Mastro auctions who are owed considerable money for months now. They are getting no answer on the phone when trying to contact Mastro. Doesn't look confidence inspiring. " I know of two that haven't been paid in full.

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03-11-2009, 05:28 PM

Posted By: JDRUMthey figure posting on a chat board may not increase their chances of getting paid. If I was an unpaid consignor I wouldn't post about it until after I got paid.

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03-11-2009, 05:32 PM

Posted By: boxingcardmanThey can "out" themselves. I'd want that courtesy if it was me. Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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03-11-2009, 05:39 PM

Posted By: johnIts strange to me because when the rumors started, I had not been paid (was not late at that point). the first thing I did was pick up the phone and call everyone I knew who regularly consigned. I know of 8-10 in total. We all panicked for a couple of weeks. In the end, the panic was for nothing. I was paid, so was everyone else I knew. Two were 6 figure consignors, both were paid. I just haven't seen anything except for rumors.

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03-11-2009, 05:47 PM

Posted By: Anthony N.I have not been paid in full from the December auction, and my calls, fax, and letter to Doug Allen have gone unanswered since I received a partial payment on or about February 16th. I know of at least one other person that has not been paid either from that auction.

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03-11-2009, 05:49 PM

Posted By: johnAnthony- How much are you owed?

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03-11-2009, 05:54 PM

Posted By: MattJohn - As he and I mentioned above, Tom also stepped forward above as not having yet been paid. <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-11-2009, 05:55 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAnthony, that's almost legendary!

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03-11-2009, 06:19 PM

Posted By: AnonymousMeet the new biz.... same as the old biz.

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03-11-2009, 06:49 PM

Posted By: bruce Dorskind We, who called the GREAT DEPRESSION of 09 back in March of 2008; who accurately predicted the collapse of the stock market, and raised the possibility that a handful of major auction houses would go under predict that at least two other important baseball auction firms will close their doors before year's end. Consignors beware And remember TRUST NO ONE DOUBLE CHECK EVERYONE! We are still in the early innings of what is sure to be the worst economic disaster since the mid 19th century. CASH is king

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03-11-2009, 06:54 PM

Posted By: JDRUMDON'T FORGET TO FLOSS!

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03-11-2009, 06:54 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI predict a potato famine.

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03-11-2009, 07:05 PM

Posted By: DonThe Maestro is decomposing.

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03-11-2009, 07:53 PM

Posted By: boxingcardmanMastro's situation has everything to do with bad and/or corrupt business practices and nothing to do with the economy. They'd been on borrowed time since the FBI named them as a target of a criminal investigation. Honestly, get it through your heads that no one is going to panic-sell you their cards over your Chicken Little routine, no matter how many times you inject that non-sequitur into the conversation. Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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03-11-2009, 09:21 PM

Posted By: Jim VB"...no one is going to panic-sell you their cards..." Well.. unless he wants that 1993 Donruss set!

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03-11-2009, 09:23 PM

Posted By: bruce Dorskind Boxing Card Man Once again you are punch drunk and DEAD Wrong We don't share our commentary to encourage Board Members to sell us their cards. In fact, very few of the cards that we are offered meet our ultra high standards. However, that said since January 2009, we have acquired 12 different type card examples from BST and our other advertising. In each and every case the price we paid was at least 20% below the most recent price on VCP. That can only be explained by a drop in price in the baseball card market. Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List

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03-11-2009, 09:28 PM

Posted By: Doug"We have acquired 12 different type card examples from BST and our other advertising. In each and every case the price we paid was at least 20% below the most recent price on VCP." Love it or hate it, apparently something is working...

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03-11-2009, 09:33 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz"We don't share our commentary to encourage Board Members to sell us their cards." Well, bragging about paying lowball prices certainly won't encourage anyone.

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03-11-2009, 09:38 PM

Posted By: dstudebaHowever, that said since January 2009, we have acquired 12 different type card examples from BST and our other advertising. In each and every case the price we paid was at least 20% below the most recent price on VCP. That can only be explained by a drop in price in the baseball card market. No, there are other explanations for it. off the top of my head : - the previous price was too high - the previous example was far nicer for the same grade - the person needed to sell immediately - you lowballed 120 offers, 10% took the deal and 90% told you where you could go

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03-11-2009, 09:39 PM

Posted By: Jim VBHere you go David. <img src="http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/jvb6034/CrazyEddie.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/jvb6034/CrazyEddie2.gif" alt="[linked image]"> Oh wait... this guy was SELLING not buying!

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03-11-2009, 09:41 PM

Posted By: bruce Dorskind Our favorite example of a physics experiment gone wrong is once again incorrect in stating that we were bragging about paying low ball prices. We paid market prices (as we always do). We simply observed that the market has gone south. Our most recent acquisition was offered to us six months ago after the seller won it on E Bay. We were the under-bidder. The card sold for $350 and the seller offered it to us for $750. We went back and forth for months- finally, he put the card back on E Bay and we were the high bidder at $260.00 The simple fact is, regardless of who wants to acknowledge reality, that the baseball card market (with a few notable exceptions) has dropped precipitously during the past six months. One of kind items such as a Cracker Jack Poster or beautiful rare 19th baseball advertising piece will continue to attract wealthy collectors...but the market for low grade, mid grade and most high grade cards is off. End of story. Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List

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03-11-2009, 09:48 PM

Posted By: bruce Dorskind Dan We concur that in a number of examples the previous price was too high and in a few cases the seller had tried for months to sell at a level that was no longer realistic. As for the 10% success rate- our actual success rate on items we are offered and interested in is well in excess of 75%. There are not that many items we like which meet our condition standard. In fact, 75% of the items that we are offered, we pass on without every inquiring about price. As for the question of condition, in six of the twelve cases we acquired the exact card that had been sold previously. We hope that our response addresses your concerns Thanks for your comments. Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List

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03-11-2009, 09:50 PM

Posted By: David Atkatz"One of kind items such as a Cracker Jack Poster or beautiful rare 19th baseball advertising piece will continue to attract wealthy collectors...but the market for low grade, mid grade and most high grade cards is off. End of story." But Bruce... I thought you guys don't buy "low grade, mid grade and high grade cards." Has (GASP!) the ultra high grade market collapsed?

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03-11-2009, 09:52 PM

Posted By: bruce Dorskind David In fact, we don't buy low and mid-grade cards but we closely track the performance of said cards on VCP Bruce

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03-11-2009, 09:55 PM

Posted By: dstudebaBruce - That information bolsters your original argument, thank you for providing it. - Dan

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03-11-2009, 09:57 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzYou can't have it both ways, Bruce. If your buy prices (and you only buy "ultra high grade") are down 20%, then either a) the ultra high grade market is down, or b) you're lowballin'. (Tertium non datur: "there is no third (possibility)".)

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03-11-2009, 11:42 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanBruce.....i do enjoy reading your posts. At least you have a personality and are not afraid to make predictions.

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03-12-2009, 05:33 AM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman...and don't have to get wheeled around in a straightjacket and a steel mask covering your mouth when out in public. I mean, that does separate Bruce from some other board members.

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03-12-2009, 06:01 AM

Posted By: George HC"At least you have a personality and are not afraid to make predictions." Bruce has multiple personalities.

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03-12-2009, 06:16 AM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman<a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/2009/03/11/2009-03-11_bill_mastro_folds_amid_fbi_probe.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/2009/03/11/2009-03-11_bill_mastro_folds_amid_fbi_probe.html</a> And when Doug claims that "Legendary Auctions" will not mix business with pleasure in its auctions -- is shill bidding business or pleasure? Or both?

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03-12-2009, 06:43 AM

Posted By: MattBruce - are you counting this as one of the auction house closings you predicted? I don't think it counts because it didn't go out of business - just got renamed. I wish these guys could come up with better names - in the last month we've been introduced to 2 new houses: <a href="http://legendaryauctions.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://legendaryauctions.com/</a> not to be confused with <a href="http://legacysportsauctions.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://legacysportsauctions.com/</a> <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-12-2009, 06:57 AM

Posted By: boxingcardmanto write in plural all the time and maintain the requisite level of obnoxiousness. Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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03-12-2009, 07:48 AM

Posted By: JosephAllen did not return phone calls for comment... This may be the first time in the history of American commerce that a principal in a new venture is refusing publicity. Then again, I suppose you can't blame him for not talking to that evil hater O'Keeffe.

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03-12-2009, 07:58 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWill the Brooklyn Bridge be included in Mastro's -- woops, I mean Legendary Auctions' -- April auction?

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03-12-2009, 08:02 AM

Posted By: Jodi BirkholmThat's the Worst that Could Happen. Actually Maestro will be handling that sale.

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03-12-2009, 08:20 AM

Posted By: JT BurchfieldWhat I hate about all of this is that there is apparently an "inner circle" of people who are able to get quicker shipping (from the Feb auction), returned phone calls, and returned emails. I can't get any of these. Legendary can remove me from their mailing list and save a few bucks on shipping catalogs. JT

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03-12-2009, 08:26 AM

Posted By: leonWell, I do have a secret bat phone to the bat cave so let me try to help and make a friendly offer. If anyone is having an issue getting an answer from Mastro about a consignment check, their winnings (they are still shipping from their last auction), a call back, or anything else, please send me an email and I will help get you answers. No, this shouldn't HAVE to be done but in the name of helping hobby friends, on both sides of the equation, I will help. I don't need specifics, if they are confidential, but just shoot me the email with a good daytime phone number/email, and I will get you answers. It's just that easy. Thanks much...

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03-12-2009, 08:50 AM

Posted By: marshall barkmanLichtman.....the Brooklyn bridge is indeed one of the highlights in Mastro's....ooopppssss.....i mean.......corrupt-schill-inc.....oooppssssss....i mean legendaryauctions. The opening bid will begin once the police get this group of folks standing on one of the ledges.....who are these people anyway.....hmmmmmmm.......i have to get a close up.......zooms in..........oh jeeeezzzz....shoulda guessed that one........i will not mention names because i'm hoping the bridge will meet reserve. George HC......At least Bruce will share his thoughts on topics in an open forum unlike some folks on here that truly do have multiple personalities and pretend to be such outstanding sincere folks then e-mail folks privately with their true thoughts......ummmmmmm...i heard there is a sale on Haldol and Zyprexa this weekend so good luck.

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03-12-2009, 09:15 AM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffI didn't know Kenny Powers was a board member. Welcome, Kenny! -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 09:28 AM

Posted By: Tom BoblittAnd great show Ryan.............

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03-12-2009, 09:31 AM

Posted By: marshall barkmanCan you imagine that someone actually actually has such horrible words such as suck and a slogan Your F&^&kin in on their website? -Gasp- he must be satanic or something and worship the devil....man i'm sure their is already a lynch mob started to ban the guy........... BRING THE WHINING

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03-12-2009, 10:02 AM

Posted By: T206Collector...I have a quick internet URP thingee question: Here's the new (under construction) website: <a href="http://legendaryauctions.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://legendaryauctions.com/</a> Here's the old website: <a href="http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?Action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Home%2 0Page" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?Action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Home%2 0Page</a> I preserve some weblinks to old Mastro auctions on my website. Is there a way to copy the webpage apart from the website and keep it even after Mastro's old website is (inevitably, right?) taken offline? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Visit<a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for Net54 T206 archive, signed deadball card galleries, articles and more!

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03-12-2009, 10:23 AM

Posted By: Ryan Christoff<img src="http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n148/vajra1/boston_cards.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 10:28 AM

Posted By: Jeff S.T206Collector - If you use Firefox for a browser, download "Screengrab!" - it allows you to capture an entire web site as an image (JPG). Very easy to use.

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03-12-2009, 10:30 AM

Posted By: mark s.marshall- who are these guys and what teams do they play for? with names like that, they MUST be hockey players or professional wrasslers...

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03-12-2009, 10:30 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanRyan, I love that show. I'm assuming you've seen The Foot Fist Way?

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03-12-2009, 10:31 AM

Posted By: Jodi BirkholmIs there anything similar for non-Mozilla users? I could use something like that.

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03-12-2009, 10:31 AM

Posted By: MattPaul - their new site sports the logo of SimpleAuctionSite.com which is an entirely different piece of software then what was used to run their auctions previously. Even if they desire to spend the money on re-importing their archives into the SimpleAuctionSite software, I doubt that the link strcuture and IDs would be consistent with what they used to be. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="sad.gif"> <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-12-2009, 10:45 AM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffJeff, I laughed so hard at that movie because my son is in Tae Kwan Doe. So much of it is accurate! -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 10:54 AM

Posted By: TimTo save any web page while using Internet Explorer, simply do the following: In the menu Select "Page" then "Save as..." then in "Save as type:" select "Web Archive, single file (*.mht)" This will save the entire page, not just what is seen in a screen shot, as a single file that can be reopened in IE when desired. For archiving for reference purposes this is much cleaner that if it is saved as "Web Page, HTML only (*.htm, *.html)" which will save the actual html file, and then separately save all of the files that are refenced into the page such as images, etc.

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03-12-2009, 10:55 AM

Posted By: MattJodi - it's not a browser add-in, but a simple Alt-Print Screen combo will copy the browser display as an image to the clipboard. Then just open up Paint and paste and save as a jpg and you've got something pretty similar. kind regards <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-12-2009, 11:16 AM

Posted By: Jodi BirkholmThanks, guys! Will have to try this out.

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03-12-2009, 12:03 PM

Posted By: leonI won't promise anything but will say the 2 folks that emailed me have now gotten email answers back to them. best regards

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03-12-2009, 12:21 PM

Posted By: Rhett YeakleyRyan, thanks for the Kenny Powers reference (That made me laugh), I'll echo what the others said about that being a great show! -Rhett

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03-12-2009, 12:44 PM

Posted By: boxingcardmanhow come we never see the Bruces actually show any of these monumental acquisitions. Are they too figments of your imagination, like the imaginary friends that populate the "Group"? Your tired card-god rap reminds me of Eddie Murphy's character in Trading Places trying to convince the other prisoners he was a stud when he was really just a bum: Billy Ray Valentine: Beat the *** out of ten cops, had to change my whole strategy around. Even Bigger Guy: Yo, when they brought you in here and booked you, you was cryin' like a ***** Big Guy: Yeah! Billy Ray Valentine: That's because they sprayed tear gas in my face, and that's the kind of *** they use on crowds and I could still walk in here like a man, so get out of my face, alright? Even Bigger Guy: I mean you beatin' 10 cops? You putting a man in the hospital? How come I don't see no bruises on you? Big Guy: Yeah! Billy Ray Valentine: 'Cause I'm a karate man! And a karate man bruises on the inside! They don't show their weakness. But you don't know that because you're a big Barry White looking ******! So get outta my face! I wish my ****** would get here. I ain't got time to be sitting in this cell with you. Even Bigger Guy: Where are your ******, Mr. Big-Time Pimp? Big Guy: Yeah! Even Bigger Guy: It aint cool bein no jive turkey so close to Thanksgiving So I'm calling you out, Bruces, right here, right now. Put up or shut up time. If you want anyone to take anything you say seriously ever again, let's see all these magnificent new acquisitions by the Dorskind Group. We have multiple acquisition threads every month. Post some of these great cards from America's Toughest Want List or quit running your mouth. Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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03-12-2009, 01:06 PM

Posted By: JohnI will say that Bruce has posted on wanting very high grade T209's (Color) and between eBay and Mile High at least 20+ PSA 7's and 8's have been available over the past few months. Always wondered why he wasnt able to grab a copy or two for the collection, must have been priced wrong....or something. <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/376260/thread/1234370106/last-1235853554/Ultra+High+Grade+Tobacco+Type+Cards+Wanted" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/376260/thread/1234370106/last-1235853554/Ultra+High+Grade+Tobacco+Type+Cards+Wanted</a> P.S. I know Bruce has some nice cards...that I dont doubt. Just would love to see him cross off those T209's!

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03-12-2009, 01:08 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzIt won't work. Bruce told us a while back that he does not display images of his treasures "on the advice of his attorneys." (But I'm willing to bet that those attorneys are fictitious, too!)

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03-12-2009, 01:10 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the Ninthebay item 290297177901

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03-12-2009, 01:10 PM

Posted By: Preece1I have seen his collection.

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03-12-2009, 01:18 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliOnce, Leon posted a picture of the Boston Garter uncut sheet that Bruce has - one of the most beautiful things I've seen in the hobby. -Al

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03-12-2009, 01:21 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI agree on the uncut Boston Garder sheet. I'd rather have that than a PSA 1 Wagner any day of the week. And to add: Adam, I understand your frustration with Bruce but to his great credit he has been very giving in terms of letting people in to see his collection.

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03-12-2009, 01:21 PM

Posted By: Anthony S.There's a video out there somewhere of Bruce showing some of his pieces.

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03-12-2009, 01:39 PM

Posted By: bruce Dorskind We wonder what Boxing Card Man hopes to accomplish with his inane request. If he is so jealous or so curious, he and the Nutty Professor can purchase one of three books which contain photos of rare items from our collection. By the way, while they were wasting their time, we just added another item to our collection. Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List

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03-12-2009, 01:44 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthHere is a link to the video. It is called Take Me Out <a href="http://www.collectorsquest.com/videos/playlist/4/show-tell-2.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectorsquest.com/videos/playlist/4/show-tell-2.html</a>

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03-12-2009, 01:49 PM

Posted By: Jeff Prizner"By the way, while they were wasting their time, we just added another item to our collection." <img src="http://vbbc.forumotion.com/users/17/23/61/smiles/417341.gif" alt="[linked image]">

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03-12-2009, 01:51 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzWhat books would those be, Bruce? (BTW, I'm still looking for the book(s) you said you've written. They, and all references to them seem to have disappeared completely.) Just for the hell of it, I will mention that items from my collection have been pictured in Yankees Magazine, and the New York Times's book "The New York Yankees Illustrated History," published by St. Martin's Press.

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03-12-2009, 01:58 PM

Posted By: MattJust received a box from Mastro; that's the quickest I can recall receiving my winnings from them. For those who care, no fancy packing tape <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/mwieder" rel="nofollow">My Trade/Sale Page</a>

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03-12-2009, 02:02 PM

Posted By: CoreyRSh.anusI can attest to the fact that Bruce has an outstanding collection.

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03-12-2009, 02:25 PM

Posted By: David SeabornEdited to remove any baseball card content since this is yet another thread that has degenerated into topics which have nothing to do with vintage baseball cards.

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03-12-2009, 02:45 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanUhhh Ohhhh....Bruce now you have done it. By answering questions and talking about cards that you own you are now going to get put in the arrogant,rich man,self promoting.......i guess that just about covers it name calling category......i was driving down the newtwork54 highway and noticed you were pulled over by the Network54 police.......when did Wonka get a new Chocolate Eclair squad car? I must admit that the red and white peppermint rims were kinda cool. What is so hilarious is that this police squad always wants someone to prove something or show something. Also when a person does show something or prove facts then the whole crew gets in the Eclair squad cars and heads over to Sloates house to give out awards to best baseball card lister of that month. Of course Barry always wins because even the police squad could not bear the sounds of whining that would be brought on them if Captain Ebay of Brookyln would lose.

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03-12-2009, 02:46 PM

Posted By: Anthony S.Serenity now

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03-12-2009, 02:56 PM

Posted By: JohnMarshall your fascination with me is flattering to say the least, and you can also take your nose out of Bruce's rear end I can assure you that you two have nothing in common. Also for the record I know Bruce has some amazing cards, nothing negative was said about Bruce just he missed out on some T209's on his list. But hey what a surprise! A post from you that has nothing to do with cards. Just more puffery and cheap shots love to see you post a card or some knowledge about cards. Also love how the posts directed to Bruce round back to you...LOL It's becoming very clear why we only see you respond or post in the OT threads. I'm not taking shots at you daily although it would be easy too..not sure why you keep tossing down about me daily? For the record I believe Adam made a call out post not me...

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03-12-2009, 02:57 PM

Posted By: Mark LutzIs this thread still in the best interest of baseball?

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03-12-2009, 03:09 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaMarshall, how about adding something positive to the board instead of showing off your huge persecution complex. The posts weren't even aimed at you and yet you still have to bring it around to being all about poor Marshall. Your act is growing tiresome.

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03-12-2009, 03:12 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDavid, look at the bright side: you'll have at least one opportunity to consign to Mastro-Lite. Granted, you may not be all that enthusiastic considering the fact that the proceeds of your last consignment are being held hostage.

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03-12-2009, 03:13 PM

Posted By: Jim VB"Your act is growing tiresome." Wow. You, Mr. Bretta, must be a slow study. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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03-12-2009, 03:20 PM

Posted By: Dan Bretta15 years of usenet gives one a high tolerance for internet trolls.

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03-12-2009, 03:31 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanOhhhh man now i am in trouble......Judge stands and is pissed....Silence in the courtroom.....i said silence...Wonka is not done with MB3..... Sweetness.......i have seen you post a countless number of times in regards to Bruce not going after certain high end cards and my question to you is simple- Who cares?. What good can come out of that? Why even bother to post it? Just like when you rolled up in your Chocolate Eclair flying saucer and started talking trash on indian cabinet cards and your collecting knowledge, do you think i care about any items you own? Have i ever questioned any items that you have? . The point is not whether you are right or wrong is that you are not a dumb person, when you question someone expect a response and big deal if it is not the response you are looking for. I'm sure the man can see those cards but perhaps he has reasons for not buying them. I love Hal Chase and i would buy that card at Milehigh right now in a PSA 8.5 but the back of that card bugs the sh&^t out of me so i am going to pass. Also the reason i do not post on card topic help threads is because why would i? Do you think if i were in town taking a lesson from Jim Flick that i would then take over his students and start teaching them? It is not my place to educate these guys on card topics nor start advising folks on what cards they own and never am i going to say to someone that they are lying and do not own cards. I enjoy learning about the cards and also seeing them. I leave the identifying and other questions up to the folks that founded this board so enough said. I am not sucking up to Bruce and i could care less if he and i have anything in common. What we do have in common is that the Wonka express bash team constantly questions our posts and throws little mental jabs all the time about cards we own and when we respond then the team cries to Leon ohhhhh noooooo please ban please ban. I merely stated that Bruce does have a personality and is not afraid to voice his opinion which i respect....also Lichtman's next post is a classic and shoule be nominated for a Network 54 moonman. The reason i keep rolling is because there were several e-mails that asked me to remain on the board. Card dealers and other folks stated that who cares what these guys are whining about because if i left then they are just going to find someone else to ride or bash. In my league Wonka if you bring your C game then the field laps you and not only do you get buried but the fellows talk mad trash constantly until your game comes back. It is relentless and never ending. God forbid if you whine or complain because then the party really starts. Also i will admit that the peppermint rims were clean, kinda of a Jay-Z flav thing you got going on.

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03-12-2009, 03:36 PM

Posted By: John"i have seen you post a countless number of times in regards to Bruce not going after certain high end cards" Really when besides in response to his "WANT LIST" genius and just above where I referenced his "WANT LIST".... Are we not to respond to folks want list now...oh and yawn right back to your indian cabs and few T206's..you're like Groundhog Day the movie only not funny...

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03-12-2009, 03:40 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanBretta....it's all good. Pretty hard to bring something useful to a thread that started out as a Mastro auction thread but then turned into a Dorskind does not have cards........or written books........or bought certain high end PSA graded cards...... bash thread. I'm wondering that you have no problem busting my balls constantly yet you fear saying anything to Akatz or Boxingcardman. Are those guys like your neghbors oe something? I think you should do something useful like moderate correctly so when you see a post go off topic then do something, don't wait untii i post something to get a swelled chest as if i started it.

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03-12-2009, 03:47 PM

Posted By: Jeff PriznerMarshall makes me miss Peter Chao.

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03-12-2009, 03:48 PM

Posted By: John<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/InternetToughGuy%20copy.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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03-12-2009, 03:50 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaMarshall, David A and Boxingcardman add content to the board. You do not. Those that do get some leeway in off topic posting. You on the other hand should add something useful instead of trying to direct everything back around to you. I know you want this board to revolve around you, but it's not going to. Just like you want to be the guy on stage offending people or the guy in the clubhouse offending people so too you want to be that guy on our forum. you're boring.

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03-12-2009, 03:53 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanSweetness...i understand the reason for your post in the want list in regards to Dorskind. But then i saw it again and now here it is on this thread. I also notice you say nothing for the entire thread and then once Boxingcardman body slams Bruce then hear you come flying off the top rope. I also notice Bretta says nothing while a thread started about Mastro spins out of control and turns into a Defend or Bash Dorskind thread......now when i post here he comes from out behind the corn stalks. Vegas has it right now in the next hour here is the action on AS The Netwrok54 World Turns.......Levine will come online with a grandpa story........JimVb will join the band wagon because he loves to pile on........Leon will say nothing because his computer is jammed from ban requests and each one is smothered with candy and corn sauce...... so he gets frustrated and buys another 1 of a kind card that is so rare that when he recieves it in the mail it will be delivered via horseback.

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03-12-2009, 03:58 PM

Posted By: Anthony S.When's your birthday? <a href="http://tinyurl.com/buhzqc" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/buhzqc</a>

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03-12-2009, 04:01 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanBretta.....on a serious note did you ever think about a career in politics? Your last post was a classic......almost was Nixon like to a certain degree.

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03-12-2009, 04:01 PM

Posted By: barrysloateMarshall- just out of curiosity, you cited me in a post about an hour ago, something about bringing the cards to Brooklyn, and I can't even figure out if you complimented me or dissed me. If anyone can unravel it, please post the translation right on this thread. Thank you.

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03-12-2009, 04:04 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanSweetness........welcome to the big leagues my friend. That post is hilarious. Finally a needle instead of a whine. Congrats! You left out one my fav's though and that is racehorses.

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03-12-2009, 04:06 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffKenny, I thought you were trying to get back to the big leagues again. Did you make it back? Congrats! Tell us about the BBQs you used to have in Seattle. -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 04:06 PM

Posted By: AnonymousIgnore him. Will be much more effective than engaging him.

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03-12-2009, 04:07 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanBarry......i just spit soda all over reading your last post......whew god was that funny. Bro i do love ya because you crack me up. I was being sarcastic because i saw like 75 plus responses to your Ebay consignment thread.

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03-12-2009, 04:07 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliI could have sworn I read a post from Marsha where he said he wasn't going to post anymore. Did I just dream that? -Al

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03-12-2009, 04:13 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI get it...everybody on the board was being friendly to me, in a jocular kind of way, so no need to be sarcastic.

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03-12-2009, 04:16 PM

Posted By: John<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/SuperCool%20copy.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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03-12-2009, 04:16 PM

Posted By: JoannOh for good G*d d*mn sakes.

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03-12-2009, 04:21 PM

Posted By: barrysloateWonka is definitely a photoshop wizard...good thing he never got ahold of a picture of me! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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03-12-2009, 04:24 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanUmmmm....Al Bundy, i really was not going to post anymore and then i got a bunch of e-mails......now what is going to happen is that one of the Wonka Playa Haters is going to copy that and then whine.......oh yeah like he got a bunch of e-mails...... The e-mails were from card dealers to people that just enjoy the board. One guy who posts here regularly basically called me out and said if you leave then you are a quitter and they have won. He stated you see Marshall it is not about you because they have done this to other people that have come on this board and not caved into their Chocolate Flying Eclair Peppermint Rim Corn Stalk Granpa Story Barbara Bush blue haired click and it is a click of about 10 to 15 folks. I talk to dealers everyday who just laugh in hysterics at the comedy routine on here. They do not post nor will they ever because they are just buying and selling cards. I do actually get along with several folks on this board so really to me it is no big deal in regards to the "Sweetness Click" and no matter what is said i do not get offended. In regards to Peter Spaeth.......you are right in regards to your statement about children........wait right now there is a 5 year old child who juust got his law degree from Georgetown and he is saying......hmmmmmmm.......i wonder if i can really buy a T-205 Ty Cobb PSA 7 on here or not without my girlfriend knowing. WOW look at this board.......uhhh ohhhh i better roll cause here comes dad......Dad with hand on side, now what are you doing? 5 year old child......nothing dad i swear i was just studying for tommorrow afternoons court case because i am due in court by 10.

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03-12-2009, 04:28 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanJoann....-Gasp- campaigner for all women on the planet. Are you now cussing? Wow for someone that sits next to Jesus in the do nothing wrong category i was a little shocked at the Lord's name in vain reference.

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03-12-2009, 04:34 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulli Four days of card talk Renders me irrelevant. Someone, look at me! -Al

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03-12-2009, 04:34 PM

Posted By: JoannYou'd be surprised at the language I use. And as to your conclusion that I am some kind of holy roller, nothing could be further from the truth. A lot of people would die laughing to think someone would even suggest it. I do try not to swear on the board, but this is really getting out of hand. J ETA: Oh HELLLLLL no. HAHAHAHAHAAAA. Al. What a great great post. Seriously. Haiku. Dang. Now that makes my day. ETA: Al, you are actually writing haiku's faster than I can edit posts to laugh at them. Now that's talent.

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03-12-2009, 04:36 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulli Tiny little man With a low sense of self-worth Needs to bring the noise. -Al

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03-12-2009, 04:38 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaMarshall, I don't doubt you're getting email from the deranged chicken killer who talks to himself on his own super-sekrit chatboard, but you should know those don't count.

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03-12-2009, 04:39 PM

Posted By: T206CollectorIf you are posting as the crusaders of people that have been p1ssed off by Wonka, we'd like a new leader. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Visit<a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for Net54 T206 archive, signed deadball card galleries, articles and more!

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03-12-2009, 04:40 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliIn one hand - putter. In the other - a guitar. Between the ears? Zip. -Al

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03-12-2009, 04:42 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliSmokin' the ganja In my penthouse apartment And then I woke up. -Al

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03-12-2009, 04:44 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliHot, naked models Walking around in my house. Cinemax is great! -Al

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03-12-2009, 04:46 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffLeave Marshall alone! You're lucky he even performed for you bastards! LEAVE MARSHALL ALONE!!! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc</a> -Ryan P.S He's a human!!!

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03-12-2009, 04:48 PM

Posted By: WesleyWe need Barry to check all of Al's haikus. I think some are not in iambic pentameter.

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03-12-2009, 04:50 PM

Posted By: JoannOh Lordy Al. What the heck??? How do you come up with this stuff?? OK. Now we have Wonka for the Photoshop wizardry and Al blazing onto the scene as our haiku genius. Now we just need you two to collaborate on this and I'll end up dying from laughing and all the board lawyers will have to think up the legal liability theories for that one. J

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03-12-2009, 04:52 PM

Posted By: leonThis is getting a little tiresome. The reason Marshall (hi Marshall) hasn't been banned is that he mostly just retaliates. But at this point I am getting close... Marshall- could you just lay low for a while and try to add something positive to the forum, please? WE have talked and talked and I do get it...believe me I do. It's just that I don't want there to be a lot of angst and fighting every single time you start posting. It really is getting old quickly. Just talk about vintage baseball cards or find another place to hang out. ...best regards ps...I could tell stories that would make your hair stand on end but this isn't the place to always do it....Folks don't care about who I hang out with or what I have done in my life, for the most part. They come here to talk about baseball cards...as this is a baseball card forum. I don't need a 12 paragraph diatribe either..I just need you to adhere to what the forum is about...or not post. thanks

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03-12-2009, 04:54 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulli"I've been everywhere From L.A. to Chicago-" That's his song lyric! -Al

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03-12-2009, 04:57 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanI juust got home from work and read this.-Whine- I'm sick and had a hard day.-Sappy- Buford T Pusser is my hero and i do own a big stick. I can actually floss and pull chest hair at the same time. From time to time i do create vines to swing from tree to tree because i am king of the jugle...me Al C...you Joanne...... Christoff....there is a gun sale down at the store and also the tough guy shirt with the sleeves missing, don't forget to pick up Billie Jean King's latest mag "in order to love bush one must own a Bobby Riggs picture dart throwing set with a naked photo of her in the judge's chair"

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03-12-2009, 04:57 PM

Posted By: Jim VBAl, Great haikus! Perhaps you could start a new trend. Street gangs cross paths. Instead of knives and guns, they get together and trade vicious haikus. Sort of a cross between West Side Story and 8 Mile.

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03-12-2009, 05:05 PM

Posted By: David AtkatzAl, I am truly impressed!

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03-12-2009, 05:06 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffMarshall Barkman speaks A message board is laughing Kenny Powers lives! -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 05:06 PM

Posted By: Aaron M.leon, I could say the same about you... but I would also mention that you are extremely loyal, and you are showing tremendous loyalty to your friends at Mastro. I don't think anything that happens with respect to Mastro is going to shake your faith in them, and that is absolutely your prerogative. At this point, there is enough information and obvious signs out there for anyone to make up their mind whether to continue to consign and/or bid with Mastro. Anyone who continues to do so certainly can't claim to have been caught by surprise. Good luck.

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03-12-2009, 05:07 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffDreams sometimes come true Marshall Barkman in person Cleveland should be fun! -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 05:08 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliWait. What was that? Did someone post on-topic? What's going on here? -Al

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03-12-2009, 05:08 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffHaikus all day long This thread should last forever Al is my hero! -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 05:11 PM

Posted By: JoannOMG. You guys have completely salvaged this thread. From catastrophe to classic. J

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03-12-2009, 05:11 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliHaikus all day long With my new friend from Denver Marshall is zero! -Al

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03-12-2009, 05:12 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffMarshall, Will, Holly A routine expedition Barkman's land is lost. -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 05:13 PM

Posted By: JohnJim VB great idea...but be warned Marshall rolls pretty hardcore! <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/websize/E-thug%20copy_1.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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03-12-2009, 05:14 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliLeading the thug life Selling my Southern Leaguers That's how I roll, yo. -Al

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03-12-2009, 05:17 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanI caught your message Leon. Here is a thought. Legendary Auctions March 10 2009 at 9:21 PM Elliot (Login pro9) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New (old?) auction house. They have purchased the assets of Mastro Auctions and will be carrying on the business Leon....166 posts later we start talking about banning. Probably 75% of this thread had zero to do with baseball cards and somehow turned into a Dorskind bash or defend thread so i posted my thoughts.....and whoaaaaaa....gobstoppers everywhere. It's all good though. I understand the candy has finally melted all over you from the Wonka express bandwagon and Bretta corn oil express. I'll not come back and talk to these such wonderful well rounded and thoughtful sophisticants, just charming oustanding citizens. They are juust so inspirational with all their wisdom and foresite. I'm sure right now the whole crew is calling Akatz so they can move to Skidmore and belittle and heckle college kids. Good luck folks and may all your hijacking thread dreams come true. p.s. at least Finley is posting his thoughts now, CONGRATS! BRING THE NOISE FIGHT THE POWER

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03-12-2009, 05:18 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffMarshall in haiku Somewhere Basho cries today His art is now dead. -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 05:18 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliDoes that mean he's gone? Can we get back on-topic? And talk about cards? -Al

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03-12-2009, 05:18 PM

Posted By: DougThis is more entertaining than network television!

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03-12-2009, 05:19 PM

Posted By: Jim VB"I'll not come back..." From your lips to God's ears.

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03-12-2009, 05:20 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffWords of wisdom rain "BRING THE NOISE FIGHT THE POWER" Marshall Luther King. -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 05:27 PM

Posted By: T206CollectorYou aligned yourself with Dorskind to provoke a fight. And then once in the fight you provoked, you articulated yourself really poorly. Nobody elected you to be the leader of people that disagree with some of the regulars on this Board. If you really got any emails from other current/former Net54'ers with similar complaints to yours, it is a shame that they emboldened you to think you were their chosen voice. There are better ways to make your opinions heard here than what you have chosen -- and worded more adequately might have brought some measure of sympathy or support. In short, even if you had anything useful to add, you have burned any chance at ever being taken seriously. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Visit<a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for Net54 T206 archive, signed deadball card galleries, articles and more!

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03-12-2009, 05:28 PM

Posted By: JohnAwwww now we dun it who made the baby upset...I'll take the 2am feeding JoAnn can you take the 7pm? <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/diaperman%20copy.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/small/man-in-diaper%20copy.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> They grow up so fast...somebody's going to sleep good tonight our little guy has had a long day.....can you stay mad at that little face?

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03-12-2009, 05:32 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaWonka, I hope your wife doesn't check your google history because it's not going to be pretty after that last post. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif">

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03-12-2009, 05:36 PM

Posted By: JohnWho says I needed Google Dan, I have lots of pics of Barry like this he sends them to me weekly...I just had to put MB's face on them... <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/smileys/143.gif" alt="[linked image]">

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03-12-2009, 05:36 PM

Posted By: marshall barkmanYeah i am gonna split Al....i like Leon and have always told him i respect his position on this board so it is best not to create such drama for him because he deals with enough whining about everything on this board. If he feels i am the root of the problem then i can live with that and move on. I'm not the laylow type i'll leave that to folks that go creep into the night.

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03-12-2009, 05:37 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffA little boy cries He takes his ball and goes home Buh bye now douche bag. -Ryan

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03-12-2009, 05:38 PM

Posted By: Jim VBIt's like watching an old western where the guy in the black hat keeps getting "killed", but always revives for one more shot.

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03-12-2009, 05:41 PM

Posted By: Ricky YWow even Basho made his way onto this thread. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> I'm really impressed now! Ricky Y

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03-12-2009, 05:42 PM

Posted By: David McDonaldDo not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder</a> and there ain't no cure.

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03-12-2009, 05:44 PM

Posted By: JohnR.I.P. <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/poochie.gif" alt="[linked image]"> 2008-2009

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03-12-2009, 05:51 PM

Posted By: CoreyRSh.anusAs I see it there are essentially two options for the moderator, 1. We can permit Marshall and other of his ilk to post at their pleasure, and in return have a board with higher entertainment value but probably much less to do with vintage baseball cards, or 2. Prohibit such posts, the result being lower entertainment value and perhaps fewer site hits, but substantially more on-point vintage baseball card posts.

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03-12-2009, 05:51 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliI liked this thread, and thought it was raising some useful points and discussing some important issues - important to the hobby, and important to the personalities who frequent this board, of which I am still a relative newbie. And having been the moderator of several message boards, I understand Leon's challenges and am not the type of guy to criticize a moderator. It's a bitch of a job, impossible to please everyone, tireless and thankless, and not without tons of second-guessers. Leon is a good guy, and it's hard enough to moderate a message board without having guys like me yammering over your shoulder. All that said, Marshall came into this thread like a bull in a china shop, just like he does in every other thread. The guy wrecks every thread he enters. If I'm not mistaken - and I don't think I am - Marshall's very first posts on this board were in defense of a dirtbag who was harassing the moderator. His second round were a bunch of sour grapes about grades. Since then, they've largely been storytelling about his, umm, noise. He's absolutely useless to the content of the board, but beyond that, he's incapable of participating in an on-topic discussion, incapable of writing in understandable English, and incapable of understanding the basic concept of message board etiquette - you sit on the sidelines for a while, get the feel of a board, slowly and respectfully get your feet wet, and realize who the knowledgeable board elders (of which I am not one) are. I dare say that Peter Chao and Adam J. Morraine stayed on-topic. Virtually all the time. Some may not have liked their approaches or the way they articulated their points, but their posts pertained to baseball cards - not to how much reefer they smoked, or to their sexual conquests, or to the clubs they wrecked, or their record deals. Neither Peter nor Adam - nor anyone else who has ever posted on this board - were disrespectful to the board's female poster and readers. Neither of them have ever posted anything on this board - stuff that will stay on the internet forever, by the way - that would shame this entire community. Neither of them ever wrote anything that would result in my not being able to let my children read this board to learn about baseball cards. It's as simple as that. I walked away from this board for a week or two after the last debacle with this guy. After a while, I decided: why punish myself because of a guy like him? I LIKE it here. When this board is operating properly, I can learn things from it - and hopefully contribute something to it as well. But if Marshall is allowed to come storming into every thread with his noise, then I'm allowed to write haikus. -Al

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03-12-2009, 05:55 PM

Posted By: leonI truly don't care about site hits. As anything else that has ever gone on, on this board, there is some moderation. It will continue that way. I don't think it's an "either or" situation. Just as there were 5 locked threads recently in order to get back to cards so will it go in the future. I have asked Marshall to talk about cards (*and really everyone else too) as that is what this forum is about. A little off topic keeps it from being stale but the focus really should be maintained. We will get back there. best regards

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03-12-2009, 06:00 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaJust for accuracy sake Al the folks at Mythbusters proved that a bull in a china shop is pretty well behaved. The rest you got right.

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03-12-2009, 06:00 PM

Posted By: leonI hope you know my last post had nothing to do with you....It had more to do with getting back on track.. I appreciate your understanding of the dilemma I face....haikus rock. BTW I took some BASHO sales training very recently. It was great!!

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03-12-2009, 06:10 PM

Posted By: CoreyRSh.anusLeon, Fair, in regard to the site hit point and no disagreement that this board is effectively moderated. But in regard to being "A little off topic", with this guy, IMHO, this goes well beyond that.

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03-12-2009, 06:16 PM

Posted By: leonWe are in agreement and that is why I gave a warning about 6-7 posts up. Enough is enough....take care

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03-12-2009, 06:38 PM

Posted By: AlanCorey, Since Marshall has discovered this forum, all threads that he's posted in have become pure entertainment, some tiresome, some outright disrespectful.

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03-12-2009, 09:01 PM

Posted By: B.C.Daniels "In fact, we don't buy low and mid-grade cards but we closely track the performance of said cards on VCP" because I sold you some Plows in psa-5 holders in 2004. In addition,you purchased a PSA-8 common E-94 from me claiming on this board some time back you sold for 2.5x my selling price to you yet three people on this board claim they saw it in your 145 sq. foot studio rental your "group" somehow survive the economy all snoring in each night! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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03-12-2009, 10:07 PM

Posted By: James GalloAl, your post was well thought out and I agree with you 110%. I post here once in a while, but read all day. I want to learn and get a broader knowledge base, I want to hear the older stores and the new ones too. I honestly haven't had any interaction with Mastro, and have only seen tidbits on this board about them. I think this change of name is very transparent and if I can see that then anyone can. I also agree about Mr. Barkman, I am very tired of all his random posts that stray so far from the topic at hand. I am tired of the fights he picks and the crap he spits. It takes a lot for me to feel this way as I am a moderator on another collecting board but enough is enough. Either tone it done A LOT or leave the people that want to learn and share knowledge alone!! Back to cards it will be interesting to see what this new auction looks like especially when they are going to have one so soon. James G Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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03-12-2009, 10:40 PM

Posted By: DJAl, I truly admire your haiku skills and you are 111% correct. I was going to add to the thread with my own mad skills, but it's like a comedian trying to follow Seinfeld. How many days ago did the sun shine here when he announced his departure. Let's take a look. March 8 2009, 11:46 AM This will be my last post in regards to this precious Natzi boot camp. Ah, that's the sign of a good debater. Go with a mention of the ideology of the National Socialist German Workers Party! That's harmless, thinks the pizza ordering student from Fast Times At Ridgemont High! And for future debates, it's spelled "N-a-z-i". Every time he chimes in, it automatically becomes a 200+ thread and we learn nothing about anything. We did learn Al is a damn fine popular culture poet. The board's Kobayashi Issa. I too take breaks when the Forum gets out of hand. A little sillyness is always good to lighten the mood, but when it becomes insulting, crude, rude and offending, it's no fun and brings out the worst in people who find ways to sink to the offenders level. My two cents... DJ