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02-22-2009, 07:28 PM

Posted By: ChrisCould I confirm that there are only 5 Toronto players represented in the T206 set - Grimshaw, Rudolph, Kelley, McGinley and Mitchell? I would like to add low grade copies of each to my collection if a forum member/members have some for sale perhaps? Also..are there any other sets from his era to look out for with affordable cards for Toronto teams? Thanks in advance! chris

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02-22-2009, 07:40 PM

Posted By: Jantz Those are the correct five in the T206 set. Jantz

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02-22-2009, 07:47 PM

Posted By: RichardNow you're talking my language! About 18 months ago I started down this exact same path, and decided that I would try to collect 1 example of each pre-1920 Toronto card out there. Excluding Colgan Chips, I have checklisted 26 and managed to obtain 24 of them. The sets that they are in include: N172 T206 T201 C46 M116 T213-2 T215 As far as affordability, you should easily be able to get a T201 and some of the C46s for a reasonable price. O'Hara, Kelley and McGinley are tougher (ie. more expensive) C46s. You won't see too many Toronto N172s, the T213s aren't bad (I got my Tim Jordan on eBay last year for less than $20, though it is beat), and the T215 is somewhere between the T213s and the N172s. There are a bunch of post-1920 sets that feature Toronto as well. My site is VERY MUCH incomplete, but if you want to see a gallery of the 24 pre-1920 cards I own check out the gallery at <a href="http://www.torontobaseballgrounds.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.torontobaseballgrounds.com</a>. Regards, Richard.

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02-22-2009, 07:58 PM

Posted By: ChrisJantz..thanks! Richard...thanks for the info...great site btw. I have that Maple Leaf Stadium card shown in your gallery as well as a couple of the postcards. I have some other MLS postcards too, if you would like to see them? chris

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02-22-2009, 08:05 PM

Posted By: RichardBy all means, Chris, I'd love to see 'em. Regards, Richard.

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02-22-2009, 08:12 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaThere is a Toronto team pin in the 1898 Cameo Pepsin set.

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02-22-2009, 08:31 PM

Posted By: David McDonaldMy meager contribution to this thread. Neat website, Richard. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/June08/MLStadium.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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02-22-2009, 08:35 PM

Posted By: Rhett YeakleyRichard, what do you have against Round things? <img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/cameopepsintoronto.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/e254delahanty.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/e254freck.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/e254grimshawtoronto.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/rhettmatthew_37/e254kelly.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/e254killian.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/rhettmatthew_37/mcginleye254.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/rhettmatthew_37/killiane270.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/tintopbemis.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> -Rhett

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02-22-2009, 08:45 PM

Posted By: RichardDavid: Great postcard, I've never seen that one before. Rhett: It's nothing personal <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif"> Actually, it has become more of an oversight than anything. I figured the Cameo Pepsin pin would be impossible to locate, and unaffordable if I did locate it, so I blocked it out of my mind. I have seen two since last year...but what are they worth? As for the Colgan's, I decided to focus on the issues mentioned above first. My thinking was that the Colgan's would be "phase 2", but I ended up getting side tracked by C46s. Edited to add: I just realized that some of the poses on those Colgan's are the same as the ones on the C46s. Very interesting... Regards, Richard.

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02-22-2009, 08:54 PM

Posted By: Rhett YeakleyRichard, no problem, I was just giving you a hard time. Some of the E254 Toronto guys are amon the tough ones to find in the set, so it may be a while til you see some of them anyways (Grimshaw(toughest), Freck, Delehanty, and Killian are among the tougher ones-in that order) Just FYI...The only E254 Toronto not pictured above is Rudolph (as I still need him). The Bemis is an E270 Tin Top.

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02-22-2009, 08:56 PM

Posted By: RichardRhett, Thanks for that info. If they are that difficult, then I just may have to keep an eye open for them and pick them up here and there. I don't think I can bring myself to pay the price for the tin tops though. Are there any Toronto players that are available ONLY as a tin top and not just a regular E254? Regards, Richard.

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02-22-2009, 09:03 PM

Posted By: Rhett YeakleyBemis, Graham, Jordan, Lush, & McConnell are all Tin Top only Toronto cards (I may have missed one or two--I'll double check later). In the Red Borders there are only a few, but they are all found on E254's as well. -Rhett

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02-22-2009, 09:04 PM

Posted By: Chris4 Hanlon's Point Stadium postcards (or with stadium in the image, if not the focal point). Top left-unsure of year; bottom left - (I have another one of these not shown that is postmarked 1914); top riggt - (unsure of year); bottom right - (postmarked 1907...shows a bit of stadium in background) <img src="http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u349/stealhome/100_1984.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> 2 additional HP postcards and one photo from a Sovenir of Toronto booklet. Top p/c - (unsure of year); booklet photo - in game action; bottom p/c - postmarked 1907, with great sign. <img src="http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u349/stealhome/100_1985.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> 2 p/c and one original photo of Maple Leaf Stadium (top - is from a p/c booklet , showing game action); bootom left - original 4 by 2 inch photo c.1930's? of the outside of MLS, middel right is a great stadium in-game p/c postmarked 1929. <img src="http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u349/stealhome/100_1986.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> 3 Frostade cards -MLS shot, Burke McLaughlin, James K. Romano <img src="http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u349/stealhome/100_1987.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> a group of 6 tix from MLS and 3 popcorn bags (from a scrapbook) <img src="http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u349/stealhome/100_1988.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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02-22-2009, 09:06 PM

Posted By: Richard...and while we're on the topic of sets that include Toronto, anyone out there have a theory as to why all 8 EL/IL teams are represented in the T206 set, but the T205 set excludes Toronto and Montreal yet kept the other 6 (Provindence, Buffalo, Newark, Jersey City, Rochester, Baltimore) ? Regards, Richard.

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02-22-2009, 09:16 PM

Posted By: RichardThanks, Rhett. And very, VERY cool, Chris. I saw a postcard of the pic in that souvenir book on eBay last year, but made the regrettable mistake of not bidding on it. I have scans of a couple of other Hanlan's Point PCs that I have yet to own as well. Never seen any ticket stubs though. Some other sets that have Toronto players in them as well, if you're interested in more recent issues, by the way are: 1933 Goudey 1936 R314D (GREAT photos, but tough & expensive) 1936 World Wide Gum 1939 World Wide Gum 1950 World Wide Gum 1960 Shopsy's 1961 Bee Hive Starch Regards, Richard.

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02-22-2009, 10:07 PM

Posted By: ChrisI appreciate the info! Richard, one bit of trivia I wanted to mention - the outside HP stadium p/c that we both have is from 1914 - The year that the Babe hit his 1st prof. dinger for Providence. One of the two copies of this p/c that I have is dated Aug 1, 1914 - just over a month before the Sept 15th game that Babe knocked one into Lake ON.

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02-23-2009, 08:57 AM

Posted By: ElliotDon't forget about the w601 with Ed Barrow. <a href="http://s649.photobucket.com/albums/uu212/pro9/?action=view&current=Toronto19032.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu212/pro9/Toronto19032.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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02-24-2009, 04:14 PM

Posted By: RichardGood catch Elliot. Are there actually two W601s featuring Toronto? Maybe 1903 and 1908 (for 1902 and 1907)? Regards, Richard.