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11-13-2008, 02:01 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaJust got an email from Old Cardboard that the book will be shipped in December and can now be ordered. A little steeper in price than I imagined, but I didn't realize the book was going to be coffee table style. Still works for me...looks like my wife just found out what she's getting me for Christmas. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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11-13-2008, 02:04 PM

Posted By: Jeff MohlerI put it on the Christmas list - and I don't even collect Old Judges. I think this could be one of the premier hobby reference books. Jeff

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11-13-2008, 02:07 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaI only collect the Omahas, but this is going to be like buying a master set of Old Judge cards for the price of one common.

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11-13-2008, 03:17 PM

Posted By: Jimmy LeidermanWhere can I order it? link? A net54 discount coupon would be great <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">

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11-13-2008, 03:19 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaSend check or money order ($125) to: Richard Masson, 1158 26th Street #537, Santa Monica, CA 90403

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11-13-2008, 03:23 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffRichard, Can we pay by Paypal? -Ryan

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11-13-2008, 03:33 PM

Posted By: quanwould be a cool prize for the monthly contest for those that can't afford it! (like me) i have enough cards, i want books!!! and seeing jay's awesome OJ collection.

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11-13-2008, 03:54 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaQuan, you could probably get close to $125 on ebay for that Ben McDonald rookie card in your avatar. Just a suggestion. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="wink.gif">

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11-13-2008, 07:01 PM

Posted By: john/z28jd The price is a little high for a book but this is no ordinary book. I can vouch for the massive amount of research and time that went into it incorporating previously known facts you either had to learn on your own from years of collecting,or were lucky to find out from an expert. Plus new stuff that was learned along the way from unknown players names,to brand new teams. Throw in the fact that there are approx. 2500 pictures including every player pose that was available thru various personal collections and many team and product pictures. All the old judge info that you could ever need is jammed into the book from the start of the company thru the whole run of the set. Just the amount of writing and time that went into the bios alone is amazing,each individual player was researched so you have a story to go along with cards that represent the players. The authors wanted to make sure every detail got covered and I believe they did a fantastic job of it.

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11-14-2008, 03:50 AM

Posted By: Dave MoriartyIs there anyway that we can get a few pictures of the book (cover shot, page shot), number of pages and dimensions? I would love to see what it looks like. Thanks.

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11-14-2008, 08:52 AM

Posted By: JayThanks for the interest. The book is roughly 460 full color pages. It is hardcover with the cover art being the Old Judge trade mark. To give you a feel for the content, here is a chapter list: 1. Foreward 2. History of Goodwin & Co. 3. 1886 Old Judge Issue 4. 1886/1887 Old Judge Cards 5. Gypsy Queens 6. 1888 Old Judge Cards 7. 1889 Old Judge Cards 8. Old Judge Cabinets 9. 1890 Old Judge Cards 10. Old Judge Production 11. Old Judge Rarities 12. Old Judge Reprints/Reissues 13. Other Goodwin & Co. Baseball Issues 14. Goodwin & Co. Advertising 15. Overview-Old Judge At A Glance 16. Player Biographies (All but about 65 of the 2491 know poses pictured and biographies provided for all 521 subjects in the set) 17. Appendicies Jay

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11-14-2008, 09:00 AM

Posted By: leonOur next contest will have one of these books as the prize......look for it in the next several days. (nice suggestion Quan)....regards

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11-14-2008, 09:39 AM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffI take it that's a "no" to the Paypal question? -Ryan

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11-14-2008, 09:42 AM

Posted By: JayRyan--I don't know the answer. Richard is taking care of the finances and I emailed him to ask the question and he has not yet responded back. As soon as I hear I'll let you know.

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11-14-2008, 09:51 AM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffJay, Sounds good. I'm buying either way. Paypal is just easier. It's funny, I don't collect Old Judges at all, but I'm really excited about this book! The fact that I'm a huge geek about the minutia of card collecting probably helps. Thanks for all the work you guys put into this. -Ryan

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11-14-2008, 09:52 AM

Posted By: JayRyan--Just spoke to Richard---only checks and money orders

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11-14-2008, 10:30 AM

Posted By: Red11/13 4:44:53 eastern, payment in mail

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11-14-2008, 11:37 AM

Posted By: Rich KleinRichard: Please let me know when you receive said payment Regards Rich Klein

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11-15-2008, 07:58 AM

Posted By: MikeEven though I only have a few Old Judges the check is in the mail. Hopefully in time for xmas. This is my xmas gift from my wife. I have a couple of questions for Jay and Joe. In 1983 Lew Lipset listed 520 players and now you state 521 players. Who has been discovered since 1983 ? You stated 2491 known poses. Are all these except 65 going to be pictured in the book according to your previous post ? If so, why not the other 65 , if you know they exist why not a picture ? The Standard Catalog states at least 3500 known variations. They need to revise for the next edition if this is not true. Thanks Mike

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11-15-2008, 09:51 AM

Posted By: JayMike---Several new cards have been discovered (Gibson, O'Day-Sacramento, etc) while a few have been eliminated as two listings were discovered to be the same player (Burns-Omaha/KC, Kelly-Manager/Umpire, etc.). There are 2491 known poses. I am not familiar with the SCD catalog but they may be considering team variations and we (and the British Cartophilic Society) are only considering different poses. We are not picturing the other roughly 65 poses because we could not find the cards. They are included in the British Cartophilic Society listing but we could not access the actual cards to make a scan of the pose. Unless you collect Old Judge cards you cannot appreciate the rarity of some of these images. There may only be one or two copies of some poses in existence in the world. Since one major collection is housed at the British Museum (a collection we did not get images from) perhaps some of these cards reside there. I consider it more amazing that we found as many pose images as we did. Lew Lipset has been collecting Old Judge images for over twenty years. He had between 75% and 80% of these images in his reference file, no small accomplishment. We, in one year, got scans of over 97% of the poses. I would hope that some collectors reading the book may uncover poses we still don't have images of or maybe even find some new poses. I hope you enjoy the book!

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11-15-2008, 10:47 AM

Posted By: samuelit's not a bad price for this type of book.

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11-15-2008, 12:01 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI was fortunate to be able to view a proof copy, and let me just say the book is more impressive than you can imagine. It is something really special.

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11-15-2008, 12:17 PM

Posted By: john/z28jd I can't wait to get my copy of the book just so I can start gluing in my own personal OJ cards over their corresponding pictures in the book

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11-17-2008, 10:34 AM

Posted By: JaySeveral people have asked what form of payment is accepted. We are not set up for paypal or credit cards so the only methods that work are checks and money orders. Thanks---Jay

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11-17-2008, 11:19 AM

Posted By: robert aJay, I sent my payment today. Looking forward to the book! Any idea of when they will ship out? Rob

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11-17-2008, 01:42 PM

Posted By: JayMy guess, from what I have heard, is that they will ship in time to be received before Christmas, but not a lot before.

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11-17-2008, 04:27 PM

Posted By: 1880nonsportscheck is in the mail.......

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11-17-2008, 04:56 PM

Posted By: joeSince I have not seen anything official, a web page or advertisement, just want to confirm this is the address. Send check or money order ($125) to: Richard Masson, 1158 26th Street #537, Santa Monica, CA 90403 Thanks joe Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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11-17-2008, 05:28 PM

Posted By: Rob D.Joe, Below is the text of an e-mail I received from the folks at Old Cardboard last week regarding the book: Old Cardboard eNews Advertising Supplement (November 13, 2008) Available Now! The Photographic Baseball Cards Of Goodwin & Company (1886-1890) By Jay Miller, Joe Gonsowski & Richard Masson Foreword by Hall of Famer Ernie Harwell A must-have reference for all collectors of vintage baseball cards. Almost 500 full color pages depicting nearly all the known poses in the N-172 Old Judge series. Biographical information for all 521 subjects in the set. Rare players identified. Beautiful hardcover book in dust jacket--$125 postpaid. Order your copy today. Delivery expected in December. Send check or money order to: Richard Masson 1158 26th Street #537 Santa Monica, CA 90403

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11-17-2008, 05:52 PM

Posted By: GeorgeHCSounds like a great book, but before sending a $125 check, I would at least ask for some pictures of it. Maybe the cover art, some inner pages, etc.

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01-06-2009, 12:10 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaAny updates? Are we still on schedule for next week as a release date?

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01-06-2009, 12:33 PM

Posted By: JayI talked to Richard this afternoon and we are on schedule. If your order has already been received you should have your book by late next week(assuming you did not request an autographed copy which will delay the process since the authors are in three different states).

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01-06-2009, 12:41 PM

Posted By: leonDo you know if PSA/DNA will be authenticating the autographs? I always appreciate a good piece of paper....

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01-06-2009, 12:55 PM

Posted By: Bruce BabcockCoach's Corner is advertising a copy autographed by Dummy Hoy.

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01-06-2009, 01:00 PM

Posted By: Sandy SchwartzHi, is there good coverage of other issues like N162 & N167? From your note it sounds like N172 predominates (and understandably so) but hoping to see good coverage of the other issues. Sandy Schwartz

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01-06-2009, 01:03 PM

Posted By: Seth NagdemanJay, Very excited about the book. Great way to start out the new year. Seth

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01-06-2009, 01:14 PM

Posted By: Chris BlandJay, Have you begun cashing the payment checks yet? My payment for the book still has not gone through as of today. Want to make sure that you received my payment; I know there was some confusion about which address to send the order to...

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01-06-2009, 01:16 PM

Posted By: JaySandy--There is coverage of all Goodwin baseball issues, but the verbage relating to N162s and N167s is pretty minimal. However, there are photos of all the baseball N162s and all but two of the N167s.

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01-06-2009, 01:17 PM

Posted By: leonRichard told me, some time ago, that he wasn't cashing checks until the books started shipping....I gave one away as a Net54 contest and ordered one for myself too.....regards

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01-06-2009, 01:31 PM

Posted By: JayChris--Richard is in charge of the business side of this project.

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01-06-2009, 01:35 PM

Posted By: Chris BlandThanks Leon. Looking forward to the book!