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05-14-2008, 08:39 PM

Posted By: RayBTed - I crashed my computer and lost some files including my list of known EPDG Back T206's. Can you shoot me a copy of your latest update. Thanks so much. RayB

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05-15-2008, 06:48 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisJust saw your post and will display the list as soon as I update it. TED Z

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05-15-2008, 07:27 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisAs of 5/15/07....Total confirmed EPDG cards = 272 Abbaticcio (brn slv) Abbaticcio (blu slv)......460 series Abbott Adkins Ames (hds/hd) Anderson Atz Baker Ball (NY) Ball (Clev)......460 series Barbeau Barger Batch Bates Beaumont Beck Bell (fol thru)......460 series Bender (port) Bender (trees) Bergen (bat) Bergen (catch).......460 series Berger Bescher (hds up)......460 series Blackburne Bliss Bowerman Bradley (port) Bradley (bat) Brain Brashear Bresnahan (bat) Bresnahan (port) Bridwell (no cap) Bridwell (cap)........460 series M. Brown (Chi) Burch (fldg) Burchell Burke Burns Bush Camnitz (arms fold) Camnitz (arms side)......460 series Campbell Casey Chance (red) Chance (yellow) Chance (bat) Chase (blue) Chase (pink) Chase (white cap) Chase (dark cap) Chesbro Cicotte Clarke (port) Clarke (bat) JJ Clarke Cobb (red) Cobb (bat off) Collins (A's) Collins (Minn) Congalton Conroy (bat) Coveleski Crandall (no cap) Crandall (cap)........460 series Cravath Crawford (bat) Cree Criger Dahlen (Boston) Davidson Geo Davis Delehanty (Wash) Demmitt (NY) Devore............460 series Donlin (seat) Donlin (bat) Donovan (port) Dooin Doolan (bat) Doolan (fldg) Doolin Dougherty (arms/air) Downey (bat) Joe Doyle Larry Doyle (bat) Dubuc Duffy Dunn (Brooklyn) Durham Easterly Egan Elberfeld (Wash-fldg) Evans Evers (port) Evers (Chi-bat) Ewing Fiene (port) Fiene (throw) Flanagan Ford..........460 series Freeman Frill..........460 seris Fromme Gandil..........460 series Ganley Gasper Geyer..........460 series Gibson Gilbert Graham (Boston) Graham (St Louis) Griffith (port) Groom Hallman Hannifan Hartsell Hemphill Herzog (NY) Herzog (Bos)........460 series Hinchman (Clev) Hinchman (Tor) Hoblitzell Hofman Howard (Chi) Howell (hands)......460 series Hummell..............460 series Jackson Jennings (port) Jennings (one hand) Jennings (dance) Johnson (port) Johnson (pitch) Tom Jones (St Louis) Jordan (port) Jordan (bat) Joss (pitch) Karger Keeler (port) Kelley Killian (pitch) Kisinger Kleinow (NY) Kling Knight (bat) Konetchy (glove lo) Konetchy (glove hi) Krause (port) Kruger Lajoie (throw) Lajoie (bat) Lake (no ball-St Louis) Lake (ball-St Louis)........460 series Lattimore Lavender Leach (port) Leach (cap) Leifield (bat) Leifield (throw) Lindaman Livingstone Lobert Lord Lumley Lundgren (Cubs) Lundgren (KC) Maddox Magee (bat) Marquard (hds down) Mathewson (wh cap) Mathewson (dark cap) Mattern McAleese McCormick McGraw (port-cap)........460 series McIntyre (Bro/Chi) McLean Meyers (port).........460 series Miller (Pitt) Milligan Mullin (bat) Mullin (throw) Murphy (bat) Murray (port)........460 series Myers (fldg) Nattress Needham..........460 series Nichols (batting) Niles Oakes Oberlin Oldring (bat).......460 series O'Leary (port) O'Leary (hds/knees) Overall (port) Overall (yel sky) Overall (blue sky)......460 Series Owen Payne...............460 series Pfeffer..............460 series Pfeister (sit) Pfeister (throw) Phillippe Powell Purtell Puttman Quillen Reulbach (no glove) Raymond Rhoades (hds/chest) Rhoades (throw) Rhodes Ritchey Rucker (port) Rudolph Schaefer (Det) Schlafly Schlei (fldg) Schmidt (throw) Schulte (back).......460 series Scott Seymour (bat) Shannon Sharpe Shaw (St Louis) Sheckard (throw)......460 series Shipke Smith (Brooklyn)........460 series Smith (Buff) F. Smith (Chi) Spade Spencer Stahl (glove) Stanage Steinfeldt(port) Steinfeldt (bat) Stephens Stovall (port) Stovall (bat)........460 series Street (fldg) Sweeney (NY) Sweeney (Bos) L. Tannehill Tannehill (Wash) Taylor Thomas Tinker (port) Tinker (bat off) Tinker (bat on).....460 Series Titus Turner Wagner (bat/left) Wagner (bat/right) Walsh Weimer Wheat.............460 series White (Buff) White (Chi-port) White (Chi-throw) Wilhelm (arms/chest) Wilhelm (bat) Willett Willetts Willis (bat) Willis (throw) Wilson Wiltse (port-no cap) Wiltse (pitching) Wright CYoung (port) CYoung (bare hand) Zimmerman TED Z

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05-15-2008, 07:48 AM

Posted By: Jim RiveraTed you can add Dunn Baltimore to your list.

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05-15-2008, 07:55 AM

Posted By: Rob D.Thanks, Ted! Great stuff, as usual.

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12-05-2008, 05:05 AM

Posted By: Brian E.Digging up an old thread here.... I didn't think it was possible but it looks like a T206 Ty Cobb Green portrait with EPDG back does indeed exist. One of the major auction houses has one up and its in a SGC holder. Brian E.

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12-05-2008, 07:15 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBRIAN E Although this card is graded....I'd be suspicious of it. To date, no such front/back combo has been seen for the Green Cobb. I hope our resident expert on Detroit T206's, Art Martineau, will chime in on this one. Also, I think you'll get more of a response to your post, by starting a new thread titled "Green Cobb with EPDG back ? ?" TED Z

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12-05-2008, 08:13 AM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Brian, That sounds interesting.... Please email me a link of the auction. Talk to you soon. Be well Brian

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12-05-2008, 09:10 AM

Posted By: Brian E.Yeah, I'm equally skeptical. I was hoping one of you two (Ted or Brian W.) might chime in! As for starting a new thread...I'm a little hesitant because I don't want to out the auction if the card is for real. Link to auction sent to Ted and Brian W. Brian E.

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12-05-2008, 09:18 AM

Posted By: David RTed, I also have the Magee portrait with an EPDG back. David R.

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12-05-2008, 09:23 AM

Posted By: Jim VBBrian E, Not to worry. You can't possibly "out" an auction from "The Fastest Growing Auction House in the Hobby!". They send their catalogs to all of us.

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12-05-2008, 09:48 AM

Posted By: Brian E.Well there ya go, auction is almost outed!

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12-05-2008, 10:00 AM

Posted By: ChiSoxFanTed, Don't know if you want to add Dolly Gray to the list. There is one for sale in an eBay store that is PSA graded. However, the slip does not have the back listed and there is no scan of the back. Here is the link: <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350069338863" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350069338863</a> ChiSoxFan

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12-05-2008, 10:48 AM

Posted By: sagardFor those of us who find this topic interesting, but can't stay on top of every argument a couple of questions. 1) Can you layout the reasons the Green Cobb was not considered possible with the EPDG? Or was it simply it had not been seen before? 2) Is the concern that we might be seeing a rebacked card with a trim to hide the evidence? 3) Doesn't SGC usually post on the flip why a card won't grade?

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12-05-2008, 10:59 AM

Posted By: Brian E.SAGARD: I will do my best to answer your questions but there are those way more knowledgeable on T206 backs and possible combinations than myself. 1) To my knowledge the Cobb Green portrait with EPDG back has not been seen before and I did not think it is possible because the Green Cobb only appears as a 150 series, an earlier series. EPDG came out later thus not possible for the Green Cobb. Same goes for the Cobb Bat On. EPDG is seen in the Cobb Red and Cobb Bat Off (I own one and used to own the other). 2) T206 Cobbs have been rebacked before and been erroneously graded by PSA and/or SGC. If the Green Cobb is not believed to be possible and PSA/SGC has screwed up before, I am concerned it might be rebacked and missed by a grader. 3) I don't think SGC annotates why a card is given an Authentic label, at least they didn't used to.

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12-05-2008, 12:43 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBRIAN E Having looked at the scan of this Cobb, two things struck me......it is perfectly centered and its borders look somewhat wider than most T206's. However........ (1)....Green Cobb cards are mostly off-center. (2)....This card is graded AUTH. (perhaps, due to trimming ?)....but, you couldn't tell that by its wider borders. Now, someone asked...."Or was it simply it had not been seen before?"...... Yes, serious and knowledgeable long time T206 set collectors have not seen this front/back combo. However, that in itself is not proof that this combo does not exist. Another 150/350 series card, Carl Lundgren (Cubs), is seldom seen with an EPDG back. In 26 years, when I first acquired this Lundgren (EPDG) card, I have only seen one other Lundgren (EPDG). Anyhow, when American Litho. started printing the 150 series cards with 350 series backs, the 1st two Assor- ted backs were the EPDG and the OLD MILL brands. The Green Cobb was printed with very few 350 backs. The only confirmed 350 backs are Piedmont 350, Sweet Caporal 350 (Fac. 30), and OLD MILL. So, it remains to be seen if this Cobb was printed with an EPDG back ? TED Z

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12-05-2008, 12:52 PM

Posted By: sagardThanks guys. It would be nice if the auction company put up a really nice scan of the card.

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12-05-2008, 01:05 PM

Posted By: Jim VBI don't think their scans are so bad, but you'll never be able to tell from any scan if it's been rebacked. I think the should offer an explanation as to why it's only "authentic." SGC may not indicate it as such on the flip, but they would have told the original submitter. <img src="http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/jvb6034/T206CobbgreenEPDG.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb189/jvb6034/T206CobbgreenEPDGb.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

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12-05-2008, 02:09 PM

Posted By: BrianWe appreciate all the input that has been received from the board members. We have contacted Memory Lane and as of 5 PM EST, the item has been pulled from the sale. They were gracious enough to work with us to proactively address the situation. Per our guarantee, we will review the card and remove it from the market if deemed to be rebacked. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to call me at the number below. Brian Dwyer SGC 1-800-742-9212 x114

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12-05-2008, 02:48 PM

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12-06-2008, 02:23 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisPlease keep us informed of your findings upon examination of this T206 Cobb. There are several of us T206 "junkies" that are very curious about this front/back combo.... that we have never seen in at least 30 years of collecting. Thanks, TED Z