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11-29-2008, 08:24 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I finally found a decent "collector grade" (that's not a devisive term JimB <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">) white cap Matty to go with the no name one. When studying them I found the many subtle differences interesting. Does anyone else have a comparo they can show? It's sort of neat, in a nerdy kind of way, to look for the inconsistencies....best regards <br><br><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1227975848.JPG" alt="[linked image]">
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11-29-2008, 08:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>Leon,<br>What jumps out at me quickly is the green background heighth between the two.<br>The proof has the printers marks on the side which shows where they wanted the<br>green background to be on the finished product. Did you catch that. Very cool..<br><br>Tony A.<br>
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11-29-2008, 08:37 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I have seen many other things but didn't even notice that one. I swear the more you look at the two the more subtle differences you can see. I really am hoping someone else can show another set. I know there are many more proofs out there....regards
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11-29-2008, 08:39 AM
Posted By: <b>Scott L</b><p>On the proof he's got an "all business" type of look on his face and on the eventual card he appears to have that "damn I'm good" kind of half smile.<br><br>Pretty neat!
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11-29-2008, 08:55 AM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I count three stripes on the cap of one, only one stripe on the other...there are several differences.
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11-29-2008, 08:57 AM
Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>when did matty have blonde hair?
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11-29-2008, 09:18 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I also didn't notice that difference. The ones I see are more on the uniform and his actual hair cut....which are quite different. <br><br>Joe- not sure about the color of his hair....<br><br><br>I bet I could now count at least 10-15 differences....I almost thought about making this the board contest. "Who can find the most differences?", but rethought it and didn't.....
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11-29-2008, 09:25 AM
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Good eyes, guys! And thanks for posting that, Leon.<br><br><br>One major difference in the two cards is the quality of registration. The proof card looks like all of the press runs were in perfect alignment. The regular card looks like the alignment was "good enough" for the job.
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11-29-2008, 09:36 AM
Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>The face is quite differnt - less shadowing on the proof.<br><br>Leon,<br><br>This is kind of like looking for the sailboat in the picture at the mall.
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11-29-2008, 09:40 AM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I was watching "Mallrats" last night <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">
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11-29-2008, 09:42 AM
Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>The nose looks different too. I love that proof, but the "mid-grade" <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif"> example doesn't suck either.<br>JimB
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11-29-2008, 10:14 AM
Posted By: <b>Kenneth A. Cohen</b><p>Barry -<br><br>Good to know you take time out of your schedule to watch the classics.
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11-29-2008, 11:51 AM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>In another life I could have easily ended up as one of those characters- I'm a little like silent Bob. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height="14" width="14" alt="happy.gif">
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11-29-2008, 12:01 PM
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Very interesting, Leon. The purpose of a proof was for the printers/artists to look at a test print and see what needed to be added, removed, enhanced, fixed, etc. As noted by others, yours show a few distinct changes-- including the height of the green and the stripe on the cap.
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11-29-2008, 12:27 PM
Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>I stared at the proof in person for hours and hours, and noticed the the image on the proof is so much sharper than the regular white cap. The other major differences as mentioned above are the height of the green background, the hatch marks, the stripes on the caps, and the shading. Great cards, Leon!
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11-29-2008, 12:37 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>There appears to be a little more clarity and sharpness to the proof, and a little less to the production copy...did the image lose something when it was mass produced?
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11-29-2008, 12:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><p>like the game I played as a kid in the HIGHLIGHTS magazine. </p><p> notice the extra LINES in the cap. </p><p>I have no proofs myself but would love to grab a few some day.</p><p> </p><p>marty</p>
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11-29-2008, 12:43 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I remember Highlights...my favorite was Goofus and Gallant.
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11-29-2008, 05:57 PM
Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>My daughters still get Highlights and Goofus & Gallant is still running, bless their little message-filled panels.
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11-29-2008, 06:05 PM
Posted By: <b>Donavon Arabie</b><p>There is also a difference in the number of wrinkles in his shirt & pants between the two cards. <br><br>What a beautiful proof card!
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11-29-2008, 06:08 PM
Posted By: <b>Donavon Arabie</b><p>....and the number of stripes on his hat.
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11-30-2008, 08:40 PM
Posted By: <b>ROBERT ADAMS JR</b><p><a href="http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/?action=view&current=1227975848.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/1227975848.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> <a href="http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/?action=view&current=200px-Christy-Mathewson-1910.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/200px-Christy-Mathewson-1910.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> Interesting to see the difference between card and actual photo .
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11-30-2008, 10:24 PM
Posted By: <b>ROBERT ADAMS JR</b><p><a href="http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/?action=view&current=298.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/298.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><a href="http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/?action=view&current=200px-Christy-Mathewson-1910.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x160/bobadams123/200px-Christy-Mathewson-1910.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
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12-01-2008, 03:07 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>In the released card he seems to be wearing something under his left sleeve, close to the wrist, where a watch might be. No such highlight appears in the proof. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a watch, but if it's genuine, and not just a brushed-out printers's or photographer's error, what could it be?<br><br>Bob
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12-01-2008, 07:53 AM
Posted By: <b>packs</b><p>He seems to be looking more over his shoulder in the proof than the actual card. His face also looks a little different to me in the proof. Very cool.