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11-13-2008, 11:52 AM
Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>Is there any rhyme or reason to the 1909 Obak backs that do and don't have a border? Are all players available with either back?<br><br><br><br>-Alan<br><br>
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11-13-2008, 12:49 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>All 1909 obaks can come either way...Most of the frameless ones were handcut but some were machine cut too. My partner, Scott B, had almost a complete set of framed and frameless. I don't believe there is a known reason for the difference...regards
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11-13-2008, 01:56 PM
Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>Thanks Leon!
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11-13-2008, 03:16 PM
Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p><br><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1147880165/Re-+Thought+I%27d+share+an+interesting+blank-backed+1909+Obak" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1147880165/Re-+Thought+I%27d+share+an+interesting+blank-backed+1909+Obak</a>-----<br><br>I have seen SGC grade frameless backs with a number, with AUTH, and not grade at all. I have seen PSA grade frameless cards with a number and not grade at all (I don't recall seeing a PSA AUTH frameless).<br><br>Alot of this depends on the degree of the cut and when it was submitted.<br><br>On the subject of Obaks, each grading company has an even more uneven history of dealing with factory stamps on Obaks (all three years). Its possible to see an Obak w/ stamp in a PSA MK or without. Its possible to see an Obak w/stamp in SGC straight grade (no downgrade or mention of mark), SGC graded down due to mark, SGC labeled "factory stamp" with straight grade.<br><br>Argh.