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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>I wasn't personally involved, but there's a post over on the B/S/T where someone listed a pretty large list of cards for sale, got quite a few responses, and has seemingly disappeared. <br /><br />On a different board, someone posted a pretty general want list. I gave him a general response and a quick email to gauge his interest. He responded with specific questions about quantities and quality of the cards. I quickly spent 2 hours pulling cards, listing on a spreadsheet, and creating scans. Haven't heard back from him in three days. <br /><br />This is the second or third time I've seen this happen. <br /><br />Whether you're a buyer or a seller, why waste time posting on a message board if you're not going to follow up? <br /><br />I realize this won't change the situation, but I feel better already. Menwhile I'll spend the night refiling 150-160 cards. <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Good topic.<br /><br />Here is my B/S/T pet peeve -- unless you have a really long list of cards you are selling, POST SCANS OF THE CARDS along with your listing. <br /><br />It is ridiculous for a person to not post scans of the cards they have for sale if there are, say, 5 or less cards that person is trying to sell as a result of that particular post.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />If we were in a bar right now, I'd buy you a beer.

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Posted By: <b>Jimi</b><p>This one gets old:<br /><br />You're selling something on the BST and someone e-mails you saying, "I'm interested, please send a scan." So, you quickly send a scan and wait......and wait....and wait.... until you finally have to e-mail the person asking if they are still waiting. Maybe they'll e-mail you back and say, "no thanks", and maybe they'll not respond at all. I've never understood why people simply can't reply right away and say, "Thanks anyway, but I'll pass." Or something else respectful that only takes a few seconds to type.<br><br>Jimi

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>&lt;&lt;post scans of the cards&gt;&gt;<br /><br />I agree, although I give special dispensation to those few Luddites who haven't figured out the "scanning thing."

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Adam, I have never understood why people don't post scans with their BST listings. "Email me for scan"--wtf is that? Is the card like a $20 million house that only the most qualified of potential purchasers can view? Doesn't it take more effort to send out scans to a number of individuals than to just post the scan on the board?

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>brother........it takes about 2 seconds to post on photobucket through the board and then EVERYONE can see the card. Sometimes I don't even want a card but like looking. If someone gets 5-6 emails how much of a pain can that be responding to all of them attaching the photo. But........same deal......if you post or send the photo, the person should have the decency to quickly let you know...........<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jimi</b><p>I for one have had issues in the past with scanning with my Mac. I have finally figured it out, but it is a little screwy to get the job done. Even so, if I am selling a large lot of cards, I doubt putting 50+ scans on the BST would work out. I completely agree though in regards to a handful of cards or less. Put the scans on the board unless you really don't know how to post them. <br><br>Jimi

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Posted By: <b>Richard Cline - RC</b><p>I agree with the comments regarding communication and scans. It is just a common courtesy to reply when someone has taken the time to either send a list, scan, etc... or even a request for more information.<br /><br />It doesn't take much time to put a scan on the board and, like others, I enjoy seeing some of the cards that I may never be able to purchase. Also, if a card happens to be a player from a particular team, in my case the Reds, then I am inclined to be more interested in possibly purchasing the card.<br /><br />With that said, my experiences on the BST have been almost 100% positive in regard to the communication I have had.<br /><br />RC

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Posted By: <b>Rawn Hill</b><p>Never had a proble with b/s/t and still don't think there will be in the original case. As one of the first responders in the mentioned case, I understand life does throw curve balls to you that would buckle the knees. no $ has been exchanged, although I was thinking that being awake at 1 in the morning was a fortunate thing.<br /><br />Rawn

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Judging by the number of times sellers have thanked me for letting them know I'm passing on a card that I've requested scans of, there must be a heck of a lot of people who don't get back to sellers. Brutal.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I absolutely agree with the folks above. POST A SCAN. Who buys a card without wanting to see a scan? You will have to do it anyway. The only reason I can think of is that the seller has something to hide, something he does not want to make publicly known. Not to name names, but it is usually the flippers that do not post scans. My suspicion is that they don't want the people they just bought from knowing they are flipping the cards. I think some people don't realize how transparent their activities are. On a related note, don't pretend to be a collector if in fact you are a dealer. There is nothing wrong with being a dealer, but be honest.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>My peeve is when people type "loose" when they mean "lose"

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>agreed... scans are good.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Jim, I hope it wan't me was that disappeared. I have tried to stay current wth everyone that responded to my large list. If I forgot someone let me know. If you are not talking about my list than disregard, you just got me a little nervous.<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Well, if we're opening up this to pet peeves regarding the written word, I don't think Net54 has enough server space.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>That's a beauty of a suggestion, Rob.

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Rhett, <br /><br />Absolutely not you.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Jim, I see the BST thread you are speaking of. I just got concerned that I was unknowingly forgetting someone (or something along those lines).<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>No price listed.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Jeff - that's a tough one - what if someone wants to list a card for sale or trade, and would take different values depending on the route?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I hate the term "small pinhole."<br /><br />Aren't all pinholes small by definition? Otherwise, they would be gaping holes.

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Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>Matt,<br />Cash price = $XXX. Will consider reasonable trade offers for x,y,z.<br /><br />Matt,<br />The comment was general in nature. I may be the only person of that opinion.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>jeff - fair enough.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>Barry,<br /><br /> That's why I use "tiny pinhole."

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Posted By: <b>Bill Todd</b><p>If y'all are talking about the B/S/T list that I think you are, in the person's defense I'll put in that, within an hour today, I<br /><br />1. Saw the list<br />2. Requested a scan<br />3. Received said scan<br />4. Made an offer<br />5. Had the offer accepted <br />6. Confirmed the deal and<br />7. Received payment information.<br /><br />People don't hang by their machines all day (even those of us who seem to do so while at work).<br /><br />Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Bill, <br /><br />I suspect we're talking about different threads on the B/S/T.

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Posted By: <b>Rawn Hill</b><p>Not the same thread.<br /><br />Rawn

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Pet Peeve - Making a new post in a thread to say "SOLD" thereby bumping a post with nothing left to sell to the top, and all the others that still are of interest down to the bottom. If nothing is left to sell, just edit the original title and add the word "SOLD."

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Posted By: <b>Jantz</b><p>I have to agree with alot of you.<br /><br />If you are trying to sell it....scan it.<br /><br />This may sound pushy, but if you want someone's money you got to be willing to show them the goods.<br /><br />Jantz

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>Matt -<br /><br />I agree completely.<br /><br />Please don't bump your BST listing to announce the item is sold.<br />Just edit the listing.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Note to sellers who don't post scans, or at least link to websites where scans live:<br /><br />If you don't post a scan in your listing, I automatically assume the card is overgraded and you don't want me to see it. Thus, if a scan doesn't accompany your listing, I don't bother emailing about it unless it's something I really, really need. I would say that I email a seller and ask for scans in about 5% of BST listings that don't have them.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>9 a.m. Monday -- First post, asking price: $475<br /><br />5:15 p.m. Tuesday -- Bump for price reduction, new price: $450<br /><br />11:20 a.m. Wednesday -- Bump for price reduction, new price: $425<br /><br />9 p.m. Thursday -- Bump before eBay, new price: $400<br /><br />Selling price in three recent transactions for a card in similar condition: $200, $175, $215<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>I can understand the frustration in not seeing a scan posted with an ad, but don't forget some of the reasons why sending the scan in email format can be better (IMHO):<br /><br />--There is risk of somebody stealing your scan and using it in a way that is either deceitful or just plain confusing, as is evidenced by that signed Mantle card thread not long ago<br /><br />--As most are aware, I deal mainly in rare vintage autographs. Personally, I do not wish to dole out free exemplars to whoever happens to utilize this forum. It goes without saying that most folks here are good-intentioned people, but there are bad apples out there who I really wouldn't want to have access to certain scans. I have taken a bit of flack over my feelings on this matter, but my position will never be swayed. I'm not as leery about posting scans of Ruths, Cobbs, Mantles, etc., seeing as there are countless good and bad scans already out there, but my first point again comes into play in this case.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yeah, but Rob, I count three price reductions! My eyeballs have rolled back into my head in excitement over three price reductions! I am helpless to check out VCP!

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Posted By: <b>Zinn</b><p>Buyers who do not acknowledge receipt of a card. Why is so hard to sit down and bang out a simple "Thanks I got the card" email?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>No scan PLUS "make an offer." I know I for one skip immediately to the next offering.<br />I don't buy that "I am afraid someone will steal my scan" b.s. If you are too lazy to post a scan, contact Leon or almost any Net 54er and they will help you do it. If you've got a card selling for over $100 it is not enough to simply list a slabbed grade because the grading companies are all over the place on lower and midgrade cards.

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>It's not a question of inability or laziness, nor is it b.s. I do agree that scans are required and imperative when selling on eBay. In email sales and on the B/S/T (and even on my own website), I rarely post scans. I will send them to serious customers, however, in a private email. I do, however, agree wtih your feelings on "make an offer".<br /><br />Edited to add: Perhaps my feelings on this subject are more restricted to the autograph side of the hobby, especially the type of material I sell. Other dealers who sell similar material could appear to be on the same page as me when you compare their non-eBay selling methods. Not everyone, but most.<br /><br />Edited again to say to Bob that I actually see what you're saying when the item in question is a card or other unsigned memorabilia. In that case, you have a point.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Kasel</b><p>Pet Peeves:<br /><br />1. No scans, or no simple link to a site with the scans.<br /><br />2. No clear price defined (I hate...give me your best offer)<br /><br />3. People who say Periph-eal, instead of Peripheral<br /><br />4. People who say a point is mute, instead of moot.<br /><br />5. Election years<br /><br />6. Not yet owning a 1911 Zeenut Halla (I suck)<br /><br />Bill Kasel

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>1. That toilet paper in public restrooms on the big reel without perforations...<br /><br />2. Cops who don't let you slow down to see traffic accidents...<br /><br />3. Non-collectors whose only interest is "what's it worth?"<br /><br />4. Auctions that describe the item as "rare" or "ultrarare" and start at $0.99...<br /><br />5. Scans that show the entire scanner bed for a single T card...what am I, on an Easter egg hunt?<br /><br />6. People who write "L@@K" in their auction titles...<br /><br />7. Qualifiers on slabs...<br /><br />8. Idiots who piss through the seat instead of lifting it...<br /><br />9. Sellers who insist on an email contact even when I paypal the money...I'm not trying to date you, just buy a damn card...<br /><br />10. Mixing body fluids and bank accounts...Of course, being married, the two are mutually exclusive...<br /><br />Bob: "No scan PLUS "make an offer.""; I usually respond to that "OK, go **** yourself." <br /><br />Thanks, you've been a great crowd. Enjoy Foghat...<br /><br />Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Easter egg hunt! LMAO! <br /><br />I HATE that "L@@K!" !!! That might be the most annoying thing ever. Didn't somebody on the board recently try to claim bragging rights as the originator of "L@@K!"? They should not be bragging. They should get life in prison.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Adam, you do seem to be spending a disproportionate amount of time in public restrooms; are you hoping to meet George Michael? I think there are easier ways. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Yes, never give up in your quest. Ya gotta have faith!<br /><br />Choose Life!

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>&lt;&lt;They should get life in prison.&gt;&gt;<br /><br />Anybody ever tell you that you're starting to sound like Dorskind? <br />

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Hey! It's not like I wished him dead or anything! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>My list of pet peeves.<br /><br />1. Board members that ONLY chime in negatively.<br />2. Board members who say Net54 sucks but still post here (why?....just freakin' go away)<br />3. BST offers to make an offer......<br />4. People that don't own cards they are selling....<br />5. Getting pulled into situations that are a no-win.<br />6. Not being able to retire on the banner ads....<br />7. People who are so uptight they can't laugh at themselves.<br />8. People who have never made a mistake (in their own mind only)<br />9. Everyone that doesn't agree with me <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />10. People who criticize with no solution in mind or offered. <br />11. People who have no scans on BST and/or no back scan (they are important too)<br />12. People who bitch about auction companies but aren't even registered with them (just shut the hell up)<br /><br />That's about it for now...but I am sure I will think of more....<br />

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>ALL CAPS and the royal "we."<br /><br />Joshua<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>Women who get into their parked car in a tough parking neighborhood and, as you wait in your car for them to leave, decide this the perfect opportunity to methodically re-do their makeup in the rear view mirror....um...on the BST.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Just because they have self-checkout lanes at the grocery store doesn't mean you <i>have</i> to use them. Especially if you have no idea how that "scanning thing" works. And especially especially if you have two carts of items.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Rob - my wife and I have learned to use the demographics of the store to decide when it is prudent for us to use the "self checkout" line. If I lived in Palm Springs, FL, I'd never use it.

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Building on that thought, I always thought it would be courteous for drivers over 80 to hang a "Senior on Board" sign on their rear windows. It would make it easier to see who should be passed.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>Not sure this a peeve, but I find it curious when I post an item for sale on the BST and include my email address in the post, and then someone responds on the BST thread requesting that I email them.

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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>&lt;&lt;...hang a "Senior on Board" sign on their rear windows.&gt;&gt;<br /><br />Subtlety, Jodi, Subtlety. <br /><br />Look for seat belts hanging outside the drivers door, directionals on while driving over a bridge, and avoid the turning lane to The Bonanza Steak House around 3:00 PM. <br /><br />Who needs an overt sign?

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Good points, Jim. We do not have Bonanza up here in the Great White North, so another good way to spot them is if the style of licence plate on the car in question hasn't been issued since the Eisenhower administration (or, in Canada, the Diefenbaker era)! A bit of an exaggeratin in timespan, but you get my drift.

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Posted By: <b>DARYLE</b><p>Check again. The links to scans are there and the cards are priced. If the link doesn't work (which sometimes they don't) let me know and I will send it directly to you. In was working on the scans as I was posting the stuff. Just wanted to get the stuff posted. If it wasn't my posts that got everyones undies in a wad then disregard this post.........<br /><br /><br />My Pet Peeves:<br /><br />RAP MUSIC*<br />HIP-HOP*<br />(*=More talent in my big toe)<br />People that worry too much about little things<br /><br /><br />I shouldn't have put the MUSIC by RAP..........how can it be music if there aren't any instruments actually being played by the performers doing the song?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>buying a high dollar card and still having to throw in $5 for shipping.

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>You're lying Jodi! The Great White North is a friend of Bonanza. (Well we have one here)<br /><br />We don't have any Sizzlers though. Or White Castles <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Warm beer<br />Dog sh-t in my front yard<br><br>________________<br /><br /><a href="http://www.audiocomedy.net/soundboards/jacket.shtml" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.audiocomedy.net/soundboards/jacket.shtml</a>

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy</b><p>No money in my pocket<br />Dust in my hair<br />& the Sun shining on my face....<br /><br />Name that movie ?<br><br>~ Jeremy ~

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Mask

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy</b><p>Your good... (the 3 things he hates...) I thought that one would elude you guys... Nothing gets past this crew - Nice job -<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Keeping it light<br /><br />~ Jeremy ~

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Who the hell is Rubie Walker? What you need is a Steve Garvey!<br /><br />In my top five movies. Bogdonovich's best.<br /><br />Jodi

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>"Mask" was a great film indeed.

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>"These things are a drag".

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Matt's is worth re-posting:<br /><br />Re: Pet Peeves October 27 2008, 8:39 PM <br /><br />Pet Peeve - Making a new post in a thread to say "SOLD" thereby bumping a post with nothing left to sell to the top, and all the others that still are of interest down to the bottom. If nothing is left to sell, just edit the original title and add the word "SOLD." <br />

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>people posting threads to drum up interest in a certain card type only to offer such card(s) on BST shortly thereafter.<br /><br />no scans...as has been said.<br /><br />make me an offer!!!<br /><br />people who don't use their turn signals.

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Posted By: <b>jdrum</b><p>People listing scores of Topps cards in the pre-30, 30-39 and so on sections of ebay.

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>All of the above plus boom cars.

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Posted By: <b>Andy Cook</b><p>One post mentioned when someone posts a response that says "email me". In at least some instances, this can be reasonable and not just laziness. For example, if you're on someone else's computer, or a work computer, and don't have access to your own email, but you do want to get in the queue for a particular card.<br /><br />Andy

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>That was me, Andy. Hadn't occurred to me. Good point.

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Posted By: <b>Mike (18colt)</b><p>Here's my problem:<br /><br />After some negotiating, a buyer says, "yes, we have a deal." Addresses are exchanged. Time goes by. Nothing.<br /><br />After a week to 10 days pass, a follow-up e-mail occurs (something to the effect of, "please let me know when you send payment so I can keep an eye out for it", or "haven't heard from you since we finalized our deal - is everything alright?"). The buyer does not respond, or responds with an iffy reason for not paying and promises to mail it right away (and then this paragraph repeats itself).<br /><br />In the meantime, said card(s) could've been offered to another buyer or in a trade.<br /><br />Now, this usually happens to me maybe once every 6 months or so. This month, however, it's happened twice.<br /><br />If a buyer realizes that they made a poor decision based on personal finances, talk to the seller. Be honest. Sometimes, the seller will even work with you to help you get the card anyway.<br /><br />Mike (18colt)<br /><br />PS: Thanks Net 54 for years and years of informative and comical threads.