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Posted By: <b>John Moran</b><p>I thought everyone would like to see this, copied from a PSA post, John<br /><br /><img src="http://mywebpage.netscape.com/jmoran19j/11DormRoom-1911.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Thanks for posting this John. This is a truly amazing picture. At first glance, it looks like the man pictured could be someone from today, based on his haircut and general appearance, who has posed in front of a room with a collection of pre-war cards and antque furntiure. Of all the pictures I have seen posted on this board, this one is definitely, to me, the most amazing and most interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>I agree it's a fabulous piece. Only thing I find out of place to the era is the N28 Annie.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>I agree, nice picture. I think it is a dorm room at some now defunct Military college or high school.<br /><br />Notice the cross sabres on the bed post.<br /><br />I also believe that the person is not a student at said institution but possibly a worker.<br /><br />At NYMA we called them 'nards'<br /><br /><br />As in, get the nard to do it. Or if you really wanted to disrespect an underclassmen (or your roommate)<br /> you'd call him a 'nard'<br /><br />Yes I was called a nard more then I'd like to remember.<br /><br /><br />Steve<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>One reason to believe it genuine is I don't know anyone <br />who would stick their Pre-War baseball card collection<br />(including T206 & T205 Mathewson) to a wall for the sake<br />of a prank recreation. For a retro photo, they might put <br />the cards in old frames, display them raw on the table or <br />bookshelves, but not stick them to the wall. As they <br />don't appear to be in penny sleeves, the only way you <br />would get the cards to stick to the wall like that is <br />with tape, gum or glue-- obviously something someone <br />today is highly unlikely to do.

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Posted By: <b>John Moran</b><p>The 4th card down in the upper left corner of the back wall looks like a Ty Cobb red portrait as his collar looks dark (ie black), think it is a Ty Cobb back? <br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>what if they're reprints? <br /><br />Not saying the pic not original to the period, just something else to consider.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>That is correct.<br /><br />With old memorabilia, if, after long study and consultation, you<br />can't find anything bad with the item, that often is indication<br />the item is authentic. The lack of identifiable negative isn't <br />proof of positive, but it's good evidence.<br /><br />I remember a paranoid collector telling me about all the theoretical<br />possibilities how his authentic-appearing card (sent me email pic) <br />could be fake, most of which I considered unlikely to far fetched. <br />I said, "Have you considered the possibility that your card is authentic?"

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Posted By: <b>sean</b><p>that is great! did it say anything about who the perosn is in the pic?

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Posted By: <b>robert</b><p>Great pic!<br /><br />Is that a pack of Piedmont's on the bottom shelf?<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Here's the other one from the same post<br /><br /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/123MARTINS/Pool.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>those pics are absolutely amazing!!!! How cool! I did stuff like that when I was a kid...I was big into collages with baseball stuff, cards and eventually girls. Great stuff!<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Love both pictures but instead of cards on the wall, when I was in school we had pinups from Playboy magazines and day-glo rock posters. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Fascinating photos! <br /><br />Can anyone make out if there are any baseball cards other then T205s/T206s?

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>As I mentioned before there is an N28 Annie Oakley in the right hand column.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Steve - I saw that - I was asking about baseball cards - in the second picture I can't tell if any of the cards are E cards.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>you are right Annie is not baseball <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>i dont see anything other than baseball t cards in those photos. those guys were smokers...not candy eaters!!!! and I bet they were loyal to their brand as well...probably all piedmonts or sweet caporals, too!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Marty Kohler</b><p>That has got to be one of the neatest photos I have ever seen!!... very very cool......... Thanks very much for sharing them........<br><br>GO YARD

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Sure the cards could very well be repros; but, I think they are 1909-1911 originals. The crude<br /> overhead lighting shown in the 2nd photo tells us it is an early 20th Century depiction.<br /><br />It is a classic gas-lit fixture that was converted to electric lighting. The light bulb is an early <br />incandescent type. This type of stuff is not easily faked, nowadays.<br /><br />Great couple of photos, thanks for sharing them with us.<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jim</b><p>When I first saw this I my first thought was where is the T206 Wagner stuck to the wall. That would have been something. Incredible pics that take you back.

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Posted By: <b>NYHighlanderFan</b><p>Those are awesome pictures! Does anyone have pictures of a turn-of-the-century tobacco shop or general store showing any of the old tobacco brands for sale?

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Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>Wonder why people never smiled in photos back then??? Can anyone show someone in a picture showing teeth with a smile from 1915 or earlier?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>I haven't seen the PSA post but these look to be either printed or scanned off the original negative. Definitely period. There's a calendar in the first image, can't make out a date though.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>JC, people didn't smile back then from habit...in the nineteenth century it took longer to take the photo so the photographers wanted the subject to stay relaxed...it just carried over to the 20th century.

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Posted By: <b>NYHighlanderFan</b><p>I showed the two pictures to my Dad. We were thinking the first was taken at a hospital somewhere. Notice the cloth canopy hanging above the bed with the sides folded up on top. That would be a mosquito net or something like that. Sure wish the year was completely visible on that calendar. He thinks the years on that calendar are 1913 and 1914. The second photo has the guy in uniform. That uniform looks to be Army or Cavalry. That was about the time we were chasing around Pancho Villa. So maybe those pictures were taken somewhere around Texas or down in the south. I wish we knew whether both pictures are related to one another. And who knows which cards are behind him and unseen in the photo. There might be a Wagner!

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Posted By: <b>brian p</b><p>Great photo...I have never seen a contemporary photo of our vintage cards "in action". I wonder if any of these cards made their way down through the mists of time into some of our collections as back damaged gems. <br /><br />But more likely torn down and tossed out...but fun to imagine anyways.<br /><br />Brian

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Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>I looks like all the T206s are from the 350 and/or 460 series only in both photos; that plus the '05s seems to put this at early-mid 1911. I think that the calendar in photo 1 says 1911, but can't make out the month.

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Posted By: <b>Tim</b><p>A month with 31 days ending on a Friday...<br /><br />1911 March<br />1912 May<br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>I'll vote May, 1912. Wearing white in March is gauche.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>Does anyone have a link to the original PSA board post?

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Almost good detective work on the calendar...<br /><br /><br />IF the page depicted coincides with the chronological month, then you have it. But it might not. It might be last year's calendar that hasn't been touched. It might be torn off for the month starting tomorrow, or might be an old month from yesterday that hasn't been removed. Still, it seems likely, but not certain, that the calendar deductions above narrow it down considerably. Well done!

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Posted By: <b>Alan Miley</b><p>The card in question is actually from the T card era. It is from the T106 State Girl Series. Gentlemen, meet the Alaska Girl.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Hey ole buddy....good to hear from you. I'll send you an email.<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tim</b><p>Frank-<br /><br />I gave the calendar the same consideration that you did. However, I felt that it is much more likely that someone in 1911-1912 would keep their calendar current. But who knows?<br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>NYHighlanderFan asked "Does anyone have pictures of a turn-of-the-century tobacco shop or general store showing any of the old tobacco brands for sale?" I have a scan of a picture that I saved. I would be happy to email it to someone if they are able to post it on the board. I can't seem to figure out what I'm doing wrong and the picture is pretty big so it may need to be resized. <br /><br />David <br />

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Posted By: <b>John Moran</b><p>I'll post it for ya, my email is<br /><br />jmoran19j@hotmail.com<br /><br />John

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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>This posting seems appropriate. 1952 Topps display at a Woolworth's in NYC.<br /><br /><img src="http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc33/WaxHeaven/Baseball%20Cards/1952_topps.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>John Moran</b><p>Tobacco shop reduced, will work on uploading a cleaner picture, John<br /><br /><br /><br />Revised:<br /><br /><img src="http://mywebpage.netscape.com/jmoran19j/Smoke_Shop2.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>That's where I'm going in my time machine. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>John Moran</b><p>The triangle looking display (it's a pillow resting against the right arm of a chair) between the 2 animal heads looks like it has cards on it

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Posted By: <b>Keith O'Leary</b><p>I'm sure its illustrating how to utilize their insert silks (the Egyptienne Luxury advertisement John mentions) while the Turkey Red adv to its left advertises their leather inserts.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Wow- also note the oversized one dollar bill the tobacconist is holding...they are referred to today as "horse blankets."

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Posted By: <b>Mark Anderson</b><p>Am I the only one looked at the Woolworth's picture and thought, "man, that looks a very cool NSCC booth display!?" <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p>In the tobacco shop picture shown Keith O'Leary mentioned that the Egyptieene Luxury advertisement appears to be illustrating how to utilize their insert silks. Does anyone recognize the silks? They appear to be baseball players. Or did these not include any baseball players?

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Posted By: <b>NYHighlanderFan</b><p>That is an amazing picture!! That's exactly what I wanted to see when I asked if anyone had an old photo from a smoke shop. I would guess this is pre-T206. My guess is early to mid 1900's...no later than 1907. Maybe I'm not even in the correct ballpark. What do you guys think?<br /><br />And thanks again for posting that for us!

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>The picture is amazing but has to be 1910 or later (based on the Mecca advertisment) which was first produced in 1910. That's not to say, however, that some of the other posters are earlier as displays were probably not changed that often...<br><br>======================================<br />For the premier online souce of information on baseball-related cigarette packs, visit <a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a>

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Posted By: <b>NYHighlanderFan</b><p>Great point. Also, it can't be any earlier than 1907 because of the Prince Albert stuff being present. But how about those mustaches? That's what originally made me think early 1900's.<br /><br />When were the leather premiums introduced?

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Posted By: <b>NYHighlanderFan</b><p><img src="http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k244/lindwayjc/PiedmontandFatima.jpg"><br />This picture is classic! The brothas working hard.