Possibility of Crossover Getting a Higher Grade?

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Posted By: <b>Brandon</b><p>Hey Guys and Gals,<br />Just wanted to get some opinions on a potential crossover from PSA to SGC on this card. Has 2 small spots of paperloss on top back, which caused PSA to knock it down to a 2. It has SUPER sharp corners and no staining or any other detracting features other than the centering. What are my chances of attaining a higher grade from SGC if I crack it and submit it to them? Should I just leave it in the slab and hope for a 30 from SGC. Never have done a crossover yet, so just curious. Thanks!<br /><br /><img src="http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/BrownCow75/img068.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/BrownCow75/img069.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>Due to the paper loss IMO, that card would not receive a higher grade by Sgc.<br />Nice card though.<br /><br />Tony A.<br /><br /><br />edited to add compliment of card <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Agree with Tony

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I seriously doubt it would be a bump up due to the paper loss, as the others guys stated too. That is a perfect collector's card, imho. Great looking with just a little paper loss on the back that is mostly limited to blank areas....My perfect ones are a nrmt front with paper loss on a blank back. What more could a collector ask for? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>SGC hammers paper loss. <br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for Net54 T206 archive, signed deadball card galleries, articles and more!

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>not anymore... <img src="http://i.slickdeals.net/images/smilies/emot-yum.gif"><br /><br />that should get a 30 imo Brandon.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1222439253.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1222439286.JPG"> <br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1222439423.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1222439452.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Sorry but I have to agree wkith the majority here.<br /><br />Nothing personal Quan but the SGC grader must have been asleep when grading that Chance.

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>steve i agree on the chance, just pointing out sgc is more tolerant of paper loss these days. the brown is a happy medium, that's a 50++++++ in my book even with the paper loss whereas in the past sgc might not have agreed.<br /><br />edited for extra +++++ that brown is nice

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...that Chance and Brown are disappointing and, unless erroneously graded, reflect a shift in SGC's grading consistency, which, of course, means they would be less consistent. <br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for Net54 T206 archive, signed deadball card galleries, articles and more!

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Posted By: <b>Brandon</b><p>Thats what I figured, I wasnt sure how tolerant they were these days on small paperloss. I still plan to cross it over just because I like the appearance of SGC holders better. Hopefully it will stay at a 30 after they get done with it!<br /><br />Brandon

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Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>I could be wrong but the numbers on the flips of the Chance and Brown lead me to believe they were graded years back.<br /><br />Quan - are those the hologram or etched back cases?

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>Jeff, You are correct. The bar codes on Chance and Brown are longer than the shorter bar codes that SGC started using a few years ago. And of course, as of a few months ago, the newly graded cards can be identified by the back of the holder.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>When SGC reholders a card, does it keep the same cert # etc.?

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Posted By: <b>Doug</b><p>This may be a dumb question, but is there any reason for the barcodes on the PSA and SGC holders? Is there some kind of scanning tool to verify the info on the label or something?

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>jeff i did not know older sgc cards (with the new style flip) had the longer bar...then these would def be older cards. something new i learned and will keep an eye out buying sgc cards in the future. thanks!<br /><br />q

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>"This may be a dumb question, but is there any reason for the barcodes on the PSA and SGC holders? Is there some kind of scanning tool to verify the info on the label or something?"<br /><br />I imagine they use them internally, but to my knowledge they don't offer access to anyone outside of their system.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Dustin</b><p>Brandon - <br /> Have emailed you several times and have yet to get a response. You told me you would probably be able to pay for the Johnson T206 Friday. It is now Saturday and I have given you more than enough time to pay. Also, I saw that since this purchase, you have purchased other items and paid for them. Please let me know what is going on and why payment has not been made.<br />-Dustin Thompson<br><br>Thank you for your time.<br />Dustin Thompson<br />jdtcards<br />dustinthompson@comcast.net