Philadephia Caramel Project

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Posted By: <b>ErikV</b><p> Friends,<br /><br /> About nine months ago I posted a message on the board<br /> soliciting information about the Philadelphia Caramel<br /> Company. I am once again asking for your help.<br /><br /> I am in the process of writing a manuscript about the<br /> Philadelphia Caramel Company and am hoping to have it<br /> published in book form upon completion. As of now, I<br /> would estimate my work being 70% complete. <br /><br /> The majority of the book will examine the company <br /> owners, the competing candy market of the day as well <br /> as a general overview of the company. For vintage <br /> card collectors, the book will also examine some of <br /> the nuances of the sport and non-sport cards the <br /> company produced. <br /><br /> I am requesting input from anyone who may have any <br /> tidbits of information about the company or is aware of <br /> any other ephemeral items relating to this company. <br /> You may contact me offline and credit will be given <br /> to those who provide information.<br /><br /> I will be posting updates as this project gets closer <br /> to completion. Thank you for you attention.<br /><br /> ErikV <br /> <br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Erik - I've been searching for quite a while for some materials from the Philadelphia Caramel Co. (specifically a package, etc). To date, this has been the only item I have ever found:<br /><br /><a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/?action=view¤t=pco.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/jon_canfield/pco.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><br /><br /><br /><br />I do look forward to your work.<br><br>======================================<br />For the premier online souce of information on baseball-related cigarette packs, visit <a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a>

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Posted By: <b>Scott M.</b><p>Jon,<br /><br />That is one sweet postcard. I remember when it was on eBay and I'm still kicking myself for not bidding more on it than I did at the time.<br /><br />Erik,<br /><br />Email sent. Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of information on Philadelphia Caramel as I've been spending the majority of my "research" time looking into Croft & Allen but I'd be happy to help in whatever way that I can.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I remember when that postcard was on the bay too. It reminds me of the Collins McCarthy one I missed not too long ago. (double drats) If I remember correctly I think I also bid on that card, Jon? I felt it went for a fairly strong price but who's to say? I have a some caramel related ephemera but nothing on Phili or Standard Caramels. I have seen very few things on either of those caramels. I always like seeing that postcard..sorry I can't help otherwise. ..Thanks Jon!!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>ErikV</b><p> Jon, Scott and Leon,<br /><br /> Thanks for your posts/e-mails. I am aware of<br /> the postcard and have contact it's owner on a<br /> couple of occasions trying to learn more about <br /> its origins. This has met with negative results. <br /><br /> As previously stated, I'll keep everyone posted<br /> when my project nears completion.<br /><br /> ErikV <br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Erik,<br /><br />So, the cards say "made by Phila. Caramel Co. (Camden, NJ), but I assume that postcard shows buildings in Philly. Have you found anything related to the production in Camden?<br /><br />Also, will your research cover the notebook cards that feature the same players as found in e95,e96?<br /><br />Good luck with this project!<br /><br />Rob

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Erik, Leon and others - yes we all bid on this postcard and if I remember correctly, went somewhere around $85.00. I think I bid $70 thinking that would surely win it but alas, came up short.<br /><br />Also, for the record, the postcard pictured above is not the one from eBay. Rather, I was in email contact with the owner of a website: www.pioneerpostcards.com who provided me with a scan.<br /><br><br>======================================<br />For the premier online souce of information on baseball-related cigarette packs, visit <a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a>

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Posted By: <b>ErikV</b><p> Robert,<br /><br />So, the cards say "made by Phila. Caramel Co. (Camden, NJ), but I assume that postcard shows buildings in Philly. Have you found anything related to the production in Camden?<br /><br />Yes, this will be covered in the book!<br /><br /><br />Also, will your research cover the notebook cards that feature the same players as found in e95,e96?<br /><br />There is debate as to whether the <br />Phil. Caramel Co. produced the notebook <br />cover therefore I hadn't planned to include <br />it. However, your not the first to <br />ask me about it either! I just might <br />have to add it into the material I'm<br />already going to cover!<br /><br /><br /> Jon,<br /><br />Sounds like you had better luck contacting <br />the owner than I did. Did he happen to <br />provide you with a cancellation date? <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>robert</b><p>Thanks Erik,<br /><br />There hasn't been a lot of information shared on the Phila Caramel non-sports sets either.<br /><br />Their E40 Airships set is one of my favorite sets of all time, but very tough to find unlike the baseball sets.<br /><br />The backs on the E40s clearly state, "We are the largest packers of candies with picture gifts in the United States." Not sure if that was true, but they must've had success with it.<br /><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/E40backs.jpg"> scans courtesy of Tom Boblitt's non-sports board.<br /><br />Rob<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Other then having some Philadelphia Caramel cards, I can't add anything regarding the Philadelphia Caramel Co.<br /><br />Philadelphia Caramel (E96) of Connie Mack....one of the few BB cards sets he is pictured in.<br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/conniemacke96.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />HOWEVER......that postcard of Drexel Institute dates back to the 1890's (when this University was founded).<br />It is obvious that the Philadelphia Caramel Company info was stamped (or printed) on this postcard at a later date.<br />So, a US Postal cancellation date is not really applicable to the dating of this postcard. <br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Scott M.</b><p>Hi Jon,<br /><br />I might be wrong but I could have sworn that the postcard went over at least $100 as I thought I had bid to that level. I might be wrong but I thought it went for a bit more.<br /><br />Erik,<br /><br />Do you have an exact address for where the Philadelphia Caramel plant used to be? I think I've seen information that it was located near Front and Atlantic streets in Camden but if you have a more exact address then I'd be willing to risk my neck and make a trip into Camden to see if there is anything left of the building...

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Erik - Unfortunately I didn't ask but I will contact him again and ask.<br /><br />Ted - I have to disagree with you on the postcard as I believe it was specifically used as a "reminder" to customers of the Philadelphia Caramel Company and possibly other businesses. The whole bottom right of the postcard is blank giving a busines plenty of room to promote. I could agree that the Philadelphia Caramel Card might not have produced this postcard but rather purchased it from a supplier (and therefore making it logical this same postcard exists with other advertisements).<br /><br />I'm unsure as to how you summize the postcard dates to the 1890s. Even if the picture of Drexel is from the 1890s, what would stop the publisher from using the picture over? For example, I grew up in Fort Plain, NY. There are postcards dating to 1900 that depict a map of the town drawn in 1740.<br /><br />EDITED TO ADD: Ted, you're correct - after further research, I found out the cards were issued in 1898. I shouldn't have doubted ya!<br /><br />======================================<br />For the premier online souce of information on baseball-related cigarette packs, visit <a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballandtobacco.com</a</a>>

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>No problem, ole buddy. We used to recruit our young EE's from Drexel; and, my wife is currently completing her Master's Degree<br />at Drexel. So, I'm very familiar with the history of this school.<br /><br />Also, the horse-drawn carriages and the old style trolley were the tell-tale clues that this postcard was a late 19th Century litho.<br /><br />Best regards,<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I thought I remembered it going for $100+ too.....but I am not sure...

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Posted By: <b>Dan C</b><p><a href="http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/all-1910.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-start/all-1910.html</a>