PSA-not graded due to miscut

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Posted By: <b>George Leidemer</b><p>Hello, first posts, happy collecting. been submitting to PSA for the past 4 years and got a submission back today. Never fight with them about grades but this issue really ticks me off. Submitted a 1928 Yuengling's Ice Cream Cobb in the EX range which if I am correct and pulled a PSA 5 tonight would have been their highest on the pop report, not sure if sgc has graded one higher. Logged in to my account and it came back N8: MISCUT. Spoke to a manager and they confirmed no alteration(she stated this would have been noted), also stated it wasnt undersized or it would be noted minimum size requirement. This has happened twice in 4 years and ended up eventually sending to sgc, (remember my T206 bender 4 in one piedmont miscut being one of the other times) and sgc slabbed both with no problems. Please help, why do some t206's i have get an MC qualifier or the jumbo wagner that sold recently, and some get returned unslabbed. george

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Hi George,<br /><br />Miscut is both a qualifier a card can receive where a numerical grade can be assigned as well as a rejection code. Your card fits the 2nd description. <br /><br />MC (miscut) Type of qualifier. A card that has little or no border, or even portions of another card. Cards with a factory miscut, such as a diamond cut, or when another card's image is on the original card will be designated MC.<br /><br />N-8 Miscut - This term is used when the factory cut is an abnormal cut. The grading fees are returned. You will be given a voucher good for another submission for the same type of service.<br /><br />Hope this helps.<br /><br />Greg<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>George Leidemer</b><p>thanks, but what is the harm if its not trimmed or altered in anyway of giving it a grade? why be punished for a card's factory cut 80 years ago, seems silly. Then have to send the card to sgc or gai who holder it with no issues?

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Posted By: <b>Griffins97</b><p>George- this card was rejected twice by PSA as N8 miscut. It didn't make sense to me, and since the rest of my set was slabbed I wanted this one similarly protected.<br /> I handed it to Mike Baker and he looked at it for 15 seconds and said "psa wouldn't grade it, would they?" I told him they had rejected it, and he explained why it was miscut, how this was done, and why it wasn't trimmed. And why it didn't surprise him that PSA had rejected it. <br /> It's all just an opinion, and they err on the side of caution (and sometimes ignorance). Each company has different standards, and if you're not getting what you believe is an accurate grade take it to someone else. Competition is good for collectors.<br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/griffins/1887n28/N28_29018_1.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>George,<br /><br />I think the "logic" behind their decision is mainly having to do with perception. If the card looks like it has an unusual cut once in the holder it is hard to determine if the card was trimmed or 100% original with an abnormal factory cut. <br /><br /><br />Kinda funny when you see endless amounts of undersized and seemingly trimmed cards residing in PSA holders. The miscut rejection code had more merit in the earlier days of PSA when they were able to distinguish between undersized (N-6), trimmed (N-1) or miscut (N-8) and when they took more pride in the service they were providing. These days a card can be submitted multiple times and come back as each of these designations or better yet, grade numerically. <br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1219852551.JPG"> <br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>I'm a sucker for an hourglass figure, but that isn't what I had in mind.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>the label looks warped too i think it's the scan not the card

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Surely you jest? The right side of the card is sloped....still nice but definitely MC...

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Ahh, the crapshoot we call Grading. Resubmit in a few months, you may get lucky.<br /><br />PRO gave this a 10, but couldn't squeeze the flippin' thing in.<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1219870302.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Have seen far too many other examples similar to the Joe D card encapsulated by PSA. Go to the pre-1930's section of eBay right now and you can see several caramel cards that should have been rejected for being miscut.