TRADEMARK or No TRADEMARK, that is the N162 question ?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The Goodwin Champions (N162) cards were printed in Philadelphia by the George S. Harris & Sons<br /> Lithographic Co. Some N162 cards are found with this printer's Trademark........<br /><br />"Geo. S. Harris & Sons, Lith. Phila."<br /><br />......printed on their backs in very fine lettering at the bottom. But, the majority of cards do NOT<br /> have this Trademark. My experience with completing almost four N162 sets (of 50 cards each) is <br />that only 10-20% of the N162 backs have this Trademark.<br /><br />Yet, in a current major auction, an N162 set without the Trademark line is being advertised as <br />"the rare version".....I don't think so......but, let's get some other opinions.<br /><br />How about it, all you smart N162 collectors, chime in with your observations as to whether the<br /> Trademark or No Trademark cards are more available ?<br /> <br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/abn162backs.jpg"><br />__________________________________________________ ___________________/\_________________/\__________<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />T-Rex TED<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>do you have a business card with a T-rex with a baseball in his mouth by chance?<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>No....but, I have a huge T-Rex cardboard figure with him chewing up graded BB cards. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br /><br />T-Rex TED<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>From the ones I can remember seeing I would also say the trademarked ones are more scarce. My lone type is Kelly and it does not have the trademark....however, I would be surprised if the scarcer trademarked ones would bring more than a tiny bit more in auction....just my opinion....good observation though

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Posted By: <b>Glenn Mechanick</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I reviewed my set and have concluded that only 18 of 50 have the trademark. I specifically see 18; however, there are potentially 3 others that have back damage of what may have included a trademark?<br /><br />I agree with Leon that, regardless, it probably does not make much difference in the value.<br /><br />Glenn Mechanick

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Both of you appear to be in agreement with my observation regarding the the infrequently seen Trademark<br /> on the backs of the N162 cards.<br /><br />And, I agree with both you that the Trademark doesn't really affect the value of these cards.<br /><br />That being said.....can anyone explain the apparent contradiction in Lot #1 in the current Mastro auction<br /> regarding this subject ?<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>brian p</b><p>My guess is hype--trying to make something special that hasn't viewed as special before, and just guessing at the correctness of the statement. Check out the D310 description of lot 836--contrary to what it says, there have been one, possibly two auction lots in the last ten years that had more D310's.<br /><br />Brian

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>I have 7 N162's and four have no copyrights

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Having seen 200+ N162 cards, and I've recorded the ones with the Harris Litho. trademark vs the N162's<br /> without it....there is 1 for every 4 (respectively). Or, approx. 20% of the total with the Trademark (TM).<br /><br />If one considers the current ebay listing of N162's as representative of this, then 3 (Andrews, Keefe,<br /> and Kelly) have the TM out of a total of 12 cards.....or, 25% with TM..<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Here is a close-up of the the TRADEMARK line.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd339/tz1234zaz/bharrissonslithotm.jpg"><br /><br /><br />How about some more inputs on this subject ?<br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Two Net54 readers have responded with their inputs on this TRADEMARK subject.<br /><br />1st.....has a complete set of 50, which includes 10 cards with the TM....20%<br /><br />2nd.....has a near set of 41, which includes 6 cards with the TM....14.9%<br /><br /><br />More inputs are appreciated.<br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Several more Net54 readers have emailed me regarding their N162 collections. The total number<br /> of N162 cards in these collections is 84....their back info is:<br /><br />No TM = 70<br /><br />TM = 14<br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Ted - interesting finding. Have you been able to determine if all subjects are available with both options? Alternatively, perhaps on initial release there was a smaller group that had/lacked the trademark, and then was added in as part of a larger release that had the opposite?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>MATT<br /><br />I'm still conducting that study. So far, at least 1/2 (25 subjects) of the N162's have the TM. Including 5 of the 8 BB players.<br /><br />Thanks for your very good question.<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>BcD</b><p><a href="http://www.t207.com/n162.shtml" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t207.com/n162.shtml</a><br /><br /><br /><br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>JMHO - if there is a huge difference in population between trademarked and non-trademarked cards then you might expect there to be a premium on the trademarked cards. The premium might not be in the low perentage range.<br /> <br />