is there any free online vintage card price guides?

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Posted By: <b>sean</b><p>Just wondering <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Craig W</b><p><a href="http://www.t-206.com/pdsearch" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t-206.com/pdsearch</a><br /><a href="http://www.t206.org/value.php" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206.org/value.php</a><br /><a href="http://www.t205.org/value.php" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t205.org/value.php</a>

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br /><br />Sean<br /><br /><br />There is an ancient proverb stating<br /><br /><br />Free Advice Is Worth What You Pay For It<br /><br />We suggest that if you want to obtain accurate, current<br />price information on the value of baseball cards that you<br />invest a fraction of the cost of one purchase (less than $200 per annum)<br />and visit VintageBaseballcardprices.com<br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: <b>Bob Donaldson</b><p>ebay

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Posted By: <b>Bryan Long</b><p>What about www.cardpricer.com<br />Not free, but still contains valid info does it not?<br><br>.

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Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p>I like <A href="http://www.cardpricer.com">www.cardpricer.com</A>&nbsp;a lot, just wish they had more sets/sports but I&nbsp;hear that is on the way.. <BR><BR>

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Just to make things clear it is <br /><br />www.vintagecardprices.com<br /><br />There is David's site that has a lot of values<br /><br />www.t-206.com <br /><br />He has done a great job and you can access values on some Goudey,s 33-34, Bowman 48-55, Topps 53-58

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Sean CLEARLY asks if there are free sites.<br /><br /><br />A site that charges $200 a year isn't free. Notwithstanding the perceived value of the $200, it isn't free. Even if it comes with a year's supply of tapeworms.<br /><br />So the posts above that taut pay sites are non-responsive to Sean's enquiry, as well as self-serving.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Craig W</b><p>Frank,<br /><br />I was the first response and the sites I listed are FREE, not paysites.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Craig<br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Yes sir, Craig, I saw that. And I agree. You quickly answered Sean's question.<br /><br />But most of the other responses intentionally missed the mark.

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Posted By: <b>Craig W</b><p>Frank,<br /><br />I'm sorry, I misunderstood your post to imply ALL the above sites were paysites. Please accept my apologies. Even easy going me can get in a foul mood once in a while!<br /><br />Most Sincerely,<br /><br />Craig<br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Thanks, Craig. I must be contagious... you be careful!!

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Frank,<br /><br />I corrected the spelling and suggested to use T-206.com which is the best free site out there.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Bobby, that is a self-serving and incomplete description of what you did.<br /><br /><br />First, you corrected the link to your for profit site.<br /><br />Then you mentioned that a particular free site "has a lot of values".<br /><br /><br /><br />Your response could have focused on the free site, responsive to the initial post. And I'd have let it slide by me but for my contrary nature and mindset against paying for a card price service beyond the cost of the Standard Catalog. Generally, I pay what I want for cards... sometimes more than what guides and the like suggest. I think some cards are overvalued, I steer clear of some of those even though the guides and some buyers value the cards considerably more than I do. Golly, the guy asks about free sites, tell him about free sites.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Frank,<br /><br />We get it: You have no use for online price guides. <i>We get it.</i><br /><br />Bobby didn't post about his site until someone else posted an incorrect link in reference to it. Do you really find fault with Bobby correcting someone else's error when it related to his business? I'd think you would just be grateful for another opportunity to criticize a part of the hobby you don't like.<br /><br />Heck, if you try really hard, this might present an opportunity for you to take another swipe at graded cards.

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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>This whole forum has become overly tense lately. Can't everybody relax?

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Funny you should mention that, Jodi.<br /><br />I actually attempted to ignore Frank's comments, but after his third post of essentially beating the same dead horse, I responded.<br /><br />Sign of weakness on my part, I suppose.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Rob D, you don't get it...<br /><br />It isn't about graded cards, isn't about for hire card value sites. It is about shoving in a self-serving plug with a for profit goal when that doesn't respond to the original inquiry. Bobby had no need to correct Bruce's mistake, since the mistake wasn't directing Sean to a free site. <br /><br />You could trade in your blue Indians button for a guitar playing monkey... <br /><br /><br />It is stuff like this that has sent some of the folks here into lurker mode... they used to post, folks could exchange information, and actually learn about baseball cards, the little cardboard bits inside the slabs. Now, many of the folks that actually know some stuff no longer post. Some of them do email one another behind the scene. I've received and sent some of those. The way it is going it could become a board for old graded cards, where folks know lots about pop reports and the like... Me, I'm more interested in what's inside the slab. And more interested in a post that is responsive. Maybe Bobby should have not posted at all and instead emailed Bruce asking that Bruce's's's post be edited. Or Bobby could just give Sean a free year, and a guitar playing monkey icon.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Frank, I know I'm wasting energy trying to explain this, and I'll probably regret it. How was Bobby's plug self-serving? Bruce butchered Bobby's Web address and Bobby corrected it. It seems simple to me, but maybe my view is blinded by the glare of all these plastic holders stacked on the table beside my computer. How could you expect Bobby not to simply set the record straight? For all you know, he never would have posted about his site had not Bruce provided incorrect information. (OK, that's a reach.)<br /><br />My guess is that it galls you to no end that Bobby -- gasp -- has made a business based on what you deem should strictly be a not-for-profit hobby. I understand. Sometimes I, too, pine for the day when a T206 Cobb could be swapped for a plug of chewing tobbaco and a tub of pig fat. But sadly, those days are gone. I don't expect you to like that fact or even accept it, but could you at least cut some slack to the folks who have gotten over it and moved on?<br /><br />If you want to point fingers at what causes folks to lurk or simply go away, consider that maybe some of them also grow weary of being chastised for how they collect. Do the words "Buy raw cards so you'll have more money to spend on the cards and not the plastic" ring a bell? Heck, I didn't even have to go to the archive, I could have just looked at your most recent post. "Me, I'm more interested in what's inside the slab."<br /><br />Yes, you're right, Frank. You're one of the few who cares about the actual cards. The majority of folks who happen to have some or all of their cards graded (or subscribe to online price guides) care only about the grade or the price. We're simply not worthy of sharing your hobby. Your arrogance at times amazes me, because as Leon so often says, and I'm paraphrasing, <i>We're talking about old cardboard.</i><br /><br />I truly am glad that you seem to take some pleasure from folks who e-mail you off the board, and I hope that your replies to them reflect some kind of joy you get from collecting. Because 90 percent of the posts I read from you paint the picture of a bitter man who has no tolerance for anyone who doesn't subscribe to the same values that he holds for our hobby.<br /><br />I'm sure this will do little than provoke another condescending reply. That's fine. You could just save time by cutting and pasting one of the hundreds of yours that already are on the record. Take solace in the fact that you will have the last word, because I'll be busy searching for an avatar of a guitar-playing monkey.<br /><br />(Sean, my apologies that your post got taken in this direction.)

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Posted By: <b>David Simon</b><p>Can't we all just get along?<br /><br />Someone asks about free card price guides, someone else tries to make the point that if they are free, they are potentially worthless, Bobby jumps in to correct a URL and doesn't plug himself, but rather answers the question and plugs my site.<br /><br />Was it really that out of school? I think not.<br /><br />If anything, the guy who is charging for access (Bobby) is promoting a free site that directly competes with him, and was answering the question of where you can get some free information with some good values (on cards).<br /><br />I'll do him one better and point out that VCP is light years beyond what I'm offering for free. For one, he has a tremendous user experience, two, he is covering all sports, while I'm covering a few key sets in one sport, baseball. And while I don't agree that in the 21st century on the internet free information has little or no value, there is definitely a substantial value add to people who are willing to pay for access to VCP.<br /><br />Some people get their market data for free and some people pay a premium to get it with value-added services. Ultimately it's up to you to make an informed decision and choose for yourself -- all sour grapes aside. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />ds