Does this VG/EX 4 have paperloss on back?

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-J-F-KIERNAN-COLUMBIA-PSA-4-VG-EX-TOUGH_W0QQitemZ300242056058QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3171 8QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-J-F-KIERNAN-COLUMBIA-PSA-4-VG-EX-TOUGH_W0QQitemZ300242056058QQihZ020QQcategoryZ3171 8QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a><br /><br /><br />or is it my eyes that are failing?

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>your eyes are fine.<br /><br /><br />edited terrible grammar mistake.

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Posted By: <b>chiprop</b><p>I trust PSA very little. SGC is the king, then there is a huge drop to PSA then another huge drop to GAI and BVG. DK

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>"your eyes are fine."<br /><br />Ibid<br />

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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>It's sometimes hard to tell the difference between faded ink and paperloss, but that looks like a pretty clear case of missing paper to me.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>I agree SGC is the best. However, after purchasing a lot of 17 bvg graded t206s from REA, Ive got a better appreciation for bvg. They have done a real nice job grading them.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Not because BVG (Beckett) has stepped up to the plate on the board recently but because they do a much better job in grading, do I think your lumping them with GAI is incorrect. I think at this point most on the board, including myself, would rather own a BVG graded card than a GAI one. My guess is it would bring more money too...I still like SGC best for my grading but BVG isn't far behind....and to me, I like them better than PSA....Though I think they do ok most of the times too....

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Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>Leon -<br />I agree. I just received a few T206 Hofer's from Josh that were listed on the b/s/t that were BVG graded and I gotta tell ya', I'm very impressed. Very strictly graded if you ask me. Beautiful cards......<br /><br /> Tony

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>All the BVG stuff I'd sent in the past few years have consistently come back with conservative, but accurate grades - even par with SGC. PSA, in the past six months has also become tougher. <br /><br />Rugged holders, but Beckett has gotta lose that hefty, foggy condom.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Ive never had a problem with the bvg "condem". I dont find it distracting - though it does sometimes make scanning a bit trickier by reflecting the light of the scanner. Its far better than the PSA condem - at least bvg's cards are put in straight and remain straight - no floating and dinged corners as with psa. In all honesty, if sgc were to go out of business, I'd send everything to bvg before psa.

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Posted By: <b>B D</b><p>438,987 cards to date have paper loss in VG/ex holders!<br /><br />more to come no doubt!<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Brian,<br /><br />Is this 438,988 or was it already included in your total? <br /><a href="http://www.scpauctions.com/scpauctions/LotDetail.cfm?Lot_ID=15462" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.scpauctions.com/scpauctions/LotDetail.cfm?Lot_ID=15462</a><br /><br />PSA is all over the place when it comes to paper loss.<br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>Not to go too much against the grain but I can remember past threads when we have complained that grading companies hammer otherwise beautiful cards with tons of eye appeal to a 1 or 2 simply because a spot of paperloss on the back. <br /><br />Now, we see scans of two cards that have beautiful eye appeal and a spot of paperloss on the back and we complain because they are graded a 4 and not a 1 or 2.<br /><br />So, in my opinion, we need to make up our collective minds <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. I personally do not see a problem with grading these cards a "4". Sure, I understand that we need some conistency in grades but maybe this is a step in the right direction. After all, change must start somewhere.

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>I am fairly confident more than 2 scans could be presented. My point was the lack of consistency. Personally, paper loss on a card's obverse or reverse should down grade it to Good or if merely minor scuffing, Very Good.

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Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>Such a nice front though, I'm sure Jeff L. took the loss into consideration when bidding. Consistency would be nice, but with so many different graders it would be almost impossible.

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Posted By: <b>Paul Fusco</b><p>Looks like it might be an underinking issue as opposed to paper loss but it's not a great photo.