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03-08-2008, 03:38 PM
Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/20thcenturycabinetcards/JonesKeyserArrasWagner1911.jpg"><br /><br />At Frank's suggestion, here is a Jones, Keyser & Arras thread, starting off with my first (and only) JK&A. Please post 'em if you've got 'em. I love Jeff's Mordecai Brown. I had never heard of this issue until a few years ago.

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03-08-2008, 04:39 PM
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I know one board member has the Cobb and Matty JKAs.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1205015972.JPG">

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03-08-2008, 05:05 PM
Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>Unfortunately, I don't have the Sheckard any longer but it went to a good home.<br /><br /><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~jillmay5/baseball/misc/Jones_Keyser_Arras_Sheckard.JPG"><br /><br /><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~jillmay5/baseball/Type/Jones_Keyser_Arras_Rucker.JPG">

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03-08-2008, 05:56 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I sold that JKA Matty to the board member. My biggest goof up of my collecting career. At least I made him very happy <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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03-08-2008, 07:25 PM
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>All I can do from here in the hills of Kentucky is smile and applaud you, gentlemen. Fine cards. Now that this thread has publicized JK&As, just watch the whales go after the next one publicly auctioned!

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03-08-2008, 11:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Bruce - the new mastro bidding rules screwed me up that night - I was prepared for a long drawn out battle, but the proxy rules allowed you to steal that Wagner from me <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>. Congrats - it is a beauty!<br /><br />Paul - I am very happy. I think you wife was too at the time <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/bank/?action=viewĄt=jkamatty.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/bank/jkamatty.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><br /><br /><a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/bank/?action=viewĄt=jkacobbfront.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/bank/jkacobbfront.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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03-09-2008, 02:00 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard Masson</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1205085651.JPG">

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03-10-2008, 10:14 AM
Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Fantastic cards all - especially that matty and cobb Richard.

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03-10-2008, 10:31 AM
Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>Richard, what is the background there in that pic?<br />thanks for posting

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03-10-2008, 10:42 AM
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I'm curious as to how SGC graded the above cards. Cabinets with chunks of corners missing still garnered a 40. Is it the picture itself that is graded and the surrounding part not considered?

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03-10-2008, 10:44 AM
Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Jeff, <br /><br />I was curious about that 40 as well - I will say that the corner doesnt look so bad that I can't be persuaded - just think a 30 would have been more appropriate. I thought the cobb was accurately graded. <br /><br />It seems to me that all of the grading company's give some leniency to some sets that are known to be condition sensitive. For example, I think psa takes it real easy on T3s. Mayos seem to be given a lot of leeway as well.

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03-10-2008, 10:54 AM
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Josh, agreed. Just interesting that they gave the Wagner an "A" and cabinets with corners missing could receive a 40. Not that the grade even matters with these cards; just curious as to SGC's grading criteria.

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03-10-2008, 01:23 PM
Posted By: <b>Joe</b><p>this thread has some of the ugliest cards I have ever seen.<br /><br />just plain disgusting.<br /><br /><br />why anyone would want to own those things is beyond me......<br /><br /><br />of course - if any of you need help in ridding yourself of those monstrosities - <br /><br />for the sake of helping out a fellow N54er - I would begrudgingly take them off your hands.<br /><br />I mean.... if you forced me to - I would.<br /><br /><br /><br />I must look away now.

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03-10-2008, 01:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p><B>WOW</B><br /><br />I'm just returning from 8 days away from the internet and this is the first thread I've read. Amazing cards, about as good as 20th century gets.<br /><br />Thank you for sharing !<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Joe Gonsowski

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03-10-2008, 01:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Jeff -<br /><br />The Wagner received an Auth grade because the top two corners of the mount had become detached and then reattached with tape on the back.<br /><br />Regarding the grading of oversized cards in general, it is my understanding that a large card is graded as if it is a blown up version of a small card, meaning that if the Matty were shrunk down to, say a t-sized card, the allowable corner rounding/wear would be percentage-wise the same. The corner looks so bad because the card is huge. Same thing with T3's, etc. <br /><br />That being said, I understand why the Matty is in a 3 holder, but think that it would not look out of place in a 2 holder. Not that it really matters, because no one will miss seeing that corner. Maybe except for me because I wish it was still there <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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03-10-2008, 01:50 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>I think Richard hit the nail on the head. SGC is considering the corners on the 40 card to be rounded as opposed to a piece missing. I can see where they are coming from and sometimes the overall eye appeal must be highly considered in the grading system. As stated previously, these cards are so rare that one grade higher or lower should not make much of a difference in price or desirability as I would guess most of these are 1/1's or 1/2's in the pop report.

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03-10-2008, 02:51 PM
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>But some pics.........<br />Remember buying (3) from Ron Vitro (E&R Galleries) circa 2002/2003 or maybe earlier at the national and passed on (4) more 'commons' in the $200-$300-$400 each range. Ah, the good 'old' days..........<br /><br /><br /><center><br /><h1>BELL</h1><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/323_bell.jpg" width="300" height="450"><br /><Br><Br><br /><h1>BRESNAHAN</h1><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/327_bresnahan.jpg" width="300" height="450"><br /><Br><Br><br /><h1>EVERS</h1><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/345_evers.jpg"><br /><Br><Br><br /><h1>MCGRAW</h1><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/mcgraw-1.jpg"><br /><Br><Br><br /><h1>WHEAT</h1><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/wheat.jpg"><br /></center>

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03-10-2008, 02:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>I gotta agree with some of the above posters that a 40 on the Matty (and the Rucker) was extremely generous, and actually surprises me very much coming from SGC. On a really good day the Matty (or Rucker)is a 30 and is probably a 20. That is just my opinion, but it seems strange that a chunk missing gets a 40 but someone neatly writes their name on back and the card gets killed. I'll admit I'm not a grading fanatic, but the Matty surprises me to say the least. Looking at the Mordecai Brown above, that is what I thought a 40 was (maybe even a 50).<br />-Rhett

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03-10-2008, 02:59 PM
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Stunning picture of McGraw.

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03-10-2008, 03:00 PM
Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p>The Wagner is presumably graded AUTH for some tape on the back. Big deal. I wonder how many JK&A Wagners there are compared to T206 Wagners. Probably fewer.<br /><br />These are great cards with some great poses not usually seen. Thanks for posting, everyone.

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03-10-2008, 05:15 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Bruce - <br /><br />To count all of the T206 Wagners, you would need all of my fingers, and toes, and the fingers and toes of everyone in my whole family.<br /><br />I am thinking that I would just need the fingers on one hand to count all of the JKA Wagners out there.<br /><br />As for what I believe SGC and PSA thoughts are on corner wear deserving of a 3 for an oversized card, here is a side by side comparison of the Matty next to a T206 Joss, also in a SGC 40 holder:<br /><br /><a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/?action=view&current=compare.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/compare.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><br /><br />and then with the worst corners side by side:<br /><br /><a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/?action=view&current=compare3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/compare3.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><br /><br />As I said earlier, I think the Matty would be fine in a 30 holder. I can understand the 40 holder. For this card, in particular, I don't think it really matters.<br /><br />

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03-10-2008, 05:30 PM
Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p><i>Stunning picture of McGraw.</i><br /><br />He must have let go of the bowling ball on the backswing.

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03-10-2008, 05:55 PM
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Gentlemen, I am grateful for your posts.<br /><br />I think the JK&As are beautiful cards, truly great. It matters not if some slab company put a 40, 30 20, or an A on it. I'd love to own any one of the bunch, even the worst of the bunch.<br /><br />There are many baseball cards that are less plentiful than a Wagner T206. Each of you have such a card with your JK&A. I've about settled on the notion that there are 80 to 100 Wagner T206s out there. No way there are that many of any of the JK&As.<br /><br />Thanks for posting them. And any one with one yet shown please dig it out and scan it. I can't recall ever seeing so many images of them at one time. A wonderful thread!

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03-10-2008, 06:00 PM
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>

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03-10-2008, 08:02 PM
Posted By: <b>Dennis</b><p>This is my first time posting over here on the card side (daily lurker tho). Here is Nixey Callahan. It is very nice to see the other offered examples. There was a grouping of these cabinets offered in the early to mid '90's by Mastro or Lelands. I can find the catalog if anyone is interested. I will proceed to the esoteric cabinets post. It's also a good one!<br /><br /><img src="http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/FlowageGuy/baseball2008.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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03-11-2008, 02:29 AM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Used to own this one:<br /><br /><a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/?action=view&current=jkameyers.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/jkameyers.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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03-11-2008, 06:02 PM
Posted By: <b>Mike Peich</b><p>The only two cards I own from one of my favorite sets. Hope you all enjoy.<br />Cheers, Mike<br /><br />Sorry I can't make them any larger--I need a new scanner, alas. The top image is Ames and the bottom is Sheckard.<br />Brian: Can you help me?<br /><br />Mea culpa, Mike<br /><br /><img src="http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/mpeich/JKA/th_Ames0001-1.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q218/mpeich/JKA/th_Sheckard0001-1.jpg"><br /><br />

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03-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Mike, can you enlarge those?

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07-12-2008, 07:03 AM
Posted By: <b>justin</b><p>just curious where you got that jones keyser and arras honus wagner.is it for sale and how much is it worth?

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07-12-2008, 03:44 PM
Posted By: <b>chiprop</b><p>everything is for sale. I'll start the bidding at $2,800.00

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07-12-2008, 03:49 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I'll go $2850.

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07-12-2008, 04:30 PM
Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Larger scan of the JKA Ames below... this card changed hands several times before Mike landed it.<br /><br />Bill<br /><br /><img src="http://www.t207.com/images/other/jka_ames.jpg">

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07-12-2008, 05:04 PM
Posted By: <b>justin</b><p> i think you guys are bidding far to low. there is prbably only a couple of these cards that exist, and ho many of the t-206 are there and there in the millions.

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07-12-2008, 07:32 PM
Posted By: <b>chiprop</b><p>Barry, I think he is right. I'll bid $3,000.00 I mean it's only authentic.

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07-12-2008, 08:02 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>That's a little too rich for my blood...I'm out. Dan wins it! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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07-12-2008, 10:54 PM
Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>$3,001<br /><br />Can someone get ahold of Bruce and tell him I bought his card. I need to know where to send my check.

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07-13-2008, 07:54 PM
Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p>I only accept third-party out-of-state post-dated checks. No PayPal. $5000 USPS shipping charge. Comes in a standard #10 business envelope, so I'll have to bend the card. Insurance not offered.