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07-03-2008, 09:44 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I didn't want to necessarily get a discussion going on the Mastro thread so here is the sister card of the one that was won last night...I wonder if it too is 1902? I had the choice, when I bought mine, of the one that sold last night and/or this one....it was a close call. I should have bought both <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>. Both are neat...<br /><br /><img src="http://luckeycards.com/phunccramersdryplate.jpg">
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07-03-2008, 09:51 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>nice piece leon. Classic Lajoie bat on right shoulder pose.
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07-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>Great card of Nap! So too the one in Mastro. If you trust Okkonen's work on uniforms, though, the cards date to 1903 or 1904. The '02 Cleveland dark uniforms had no "C" on the cap and the socks were solid not striped. The uni on yours matches '03-'04--after that, they changed again.
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07-03-2008, 11:27 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Thanks for the info....personally the date was not a concern for me....though I could see it being a big concern if I was going for the Rookie subset thingy....
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07-03-2008, 11:30 AM
Posted By: <b>Bryan Long</b><p>I was really wanting that card from Mastro - but just couldn't do it. It was a cool card and would have looked nice in my collection <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br><br>.
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07-03-2008, 12:15 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I don't know about Leon's card with the Cramer's Dry Plate ad on back, but the company advertising the Dry Plate for the Mastro Lajoie was sold in Aug 1902 to Eastman Kodak - that is a fact.
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07-03-2008, 01:04 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Leon:<br /><br />Thanks for posting your Lajoie card. That's a really neat one also. Good thing I just collect one card of each HOF'er or I would be contacting you and trying to obtain yours to make a matching pair. Do you know of any other similar type cards from that era for other HOF'ers?
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07-03-2008, 01:05 PM
Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>I'm not trying to start an argument, just pointing out what Okkonen's research shows. If you google M.A. Seed Dry Plate, at least one site claims that Eastman Kodak continued to use the M.A. Seed name after acquisition, and published a manual under the M.A. Seed name in 1906. See note 20 at:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/art/collections/sadorus-exhibit/pdfs/vicissitudes.pdf" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.museum.state.il.us/ismdepts/art/collections/sadorus-exhibit/pdfs/vicissitudes.pdf</a><br />
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07-03-2008, 01:25 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I have only ever seen, or heard about, these 2 cards that are similar to each other. No others at all......
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07-03-2008, 02:12 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Todd - <br /><br />Good find. I stand corrected. Looks like it could originate from 1902 till whenever!<br /><br />
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07-03-2008, 02:31 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>In my opinion, 1902-1904 is the correct time frame as those are the only years of the decade when Cleveland wore the dark colored uniforms. I guess the card could have been produced later with an old photo but I doubt it since the advertiser on the back of the card was a photo company themselves and would not have had to rely on someone else's old photo to produce the trade card.