Vintage baseball card missing links? [Archive]

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06-19-2008, 05:21 PM

Posted By: leonI will abuse the board with another vintage card question. I was noticing Phil's (hi Phil) recent post about collecting RC HOFers.....With cards such as the Just So Young it got me to thinking about all of the set and subset cards that are either unique or close to it, thus making some particular set or subset unobtainable. So what are some of them? Since I said the Just So Young I will say it is a missing link to a technical RC complete set. Next missing link? (make this pre-1952)...Only name 1-2 so others can play too please. .....Have Fun!!!.....regards

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06-19-2008, 05:41 PM

Posted By: peter ullmani suppose the ol' reccius/reccus(sp?) wagner may qualify...if it's really a card!

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06-19-2008, 06:05 PM

Posted By: barrysloateIs this about rookie cards or any set? If any set, then two that would be near impossible to complete are Butter Cream (Ruth) and U.S. Caramel (Lindstrom).

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06-19-2008, 06:12 PM

Posted By: peter ullmanme thinks its about rookies.

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06-19-2008, 06:32 PM

Posted By: Kenny ColeAll unique, with Selee's only known card.

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06-19-2008, 08:09 PM

Posted By: leonAny set...not just rookies. That was the Just So I named.....c'mon now......there are many more...Another might be the "Oh You Fan" E94 overprint....since there is only one known (or at least no more seen from anyone I have ever spoken with)...

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06-19-2008, 11:40 PM

Posted By: Bob PomillaIsn't there only one known example of the Maple Crispette Stengel?

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06-19-2008, 11:51 PM

Posted By: JimBIf one counts California League players, many of which are one of a kind, an N172 would be next to impossible. JimB

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06-19-2008, 11:52 PM

Posted By: JimBIn fact, an N172 set is probably next to impossible without counting those, but I think a few people are dangerously close. JimB

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06-20-2008, 12:05 AM

Posted By: davidcyclebackYes it's Post War, but there are color separation proofs for an unissued 1975 Hostess George Brett rookie. Even if you find the proofs, the card doesn't exist. Sounds like the plot to a horror movie.

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06-20-2008, 08:32 AM

Posted By: leonSometimes you post a thread and think folks will have fun guessing at the answer...and sometimes you are wrong. Since it was partially brought up in another thread I think the Red Cross back would be a major hinderance to completing a T207 back subset. Others?

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06-20-2008, 08:38 AM

Posted By: Jon CanfieldOk - this may be an easy one but if you wanted to complete a "complete" T206 set, and you had the money to get the Plank and Wagner - you still have to find the Doyle, which I would assume would be next to impossible. As for T210's, good luck with the Jackson. Colgan's - Thorpe and Jackson are pretty damn tough. Also, In terms of RC sets, I would assume that the Baltimore News Ruth is pretty unattainable.

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06-20-2008, 08:42 AM

Posted By: leonAll good guesses and thanks for the repsonse...but, I think with a big pocketbook you could have bought 1 of each of those in the last 2 years (except a Doyle)..... That is certainly one limiting factor (money) but even if you had that kind of money you couldn't complete an E94 overprint (of the ones known) set.....So, of your guesses I would put the Doyle in there...but like I say, I think with money the others could have been had....thanks again!!!

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06-20-2008, 08:45 AM

Posted By: MattAny of the chase card sets might qualify - the '32 Caramels or the GCM's with an uncanceled Andrews.

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06-20-2008, 08:55 AM

Posted By: Jon CanfieldLeon - understood and agree. Money is the limiting factor. Of course, the Buttercream Ruth as Barry mentioned above culd have been had just a month ago as well. Since you did like my Doyle example, I'll add another - I would imagine any type collector would have difficulty acquiring a T231 for their type set... well, aside from you <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-20-2008, 09:00 AM

Posted By: leonThe Buttercream IS ONE I would include as there are only 1-2 known. No matter how much money you have you can't have one right now....or anytime soon, most likely. As for the T231......I could feather my own nest but suffice it to say that one would be on the list also. I have a few others in mind too but we'll see if anyone else chimes in first....

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06-20-2008, 09:13 AM

Posted By: Jon CanfieldOk ok - I concede. However, to add a few more to the list... 1.) FBH's: I would say that a vast majority of the FBH's are off the list. Forget about putting a set together. And, assuming you want just one, let's say the FBH Kelly, I'm pretty sure Preece isn't selling anytime soon. 2.) Alpha Engravings: Re-completing the Alpha Engraving set would be challenging if not impossible - but since Dan has done it in before, I guess it's not out of the question. Aside from the whole set, I believe it contaisn the rookie cards of Kelley, Jennings and McGraw and since only 1 of each Alpha exists, it makes rookie card collectors have a tough time getting them all. 3.) Hancocks Clothing: Hancock's are probably out of the question - how many exist. 1, 2? Do we even know what a set consists of? 4.) Plow's Candy Plank: I believe there is only 1 - recently discovered at that.

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06-20-2008, 09:15 AM

Posted By: RichardWhat about the Voskamp's Coffee cards? Isn't the Mensor card (and maybe one other) next to impossible? Does anyone know if a complete set currently exists? Heck does anyone even have scans of every card? Regards, Richard.

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06-20-2008, 09:34 AM

Posted By: leonThere are 2 FBH of Kelly known...and I doubt either collector will be parting with theirs soon. Regardless of that one card I don't think anyone could acquire one of each of the others known....even taking Kelly out of the equation. To me that set would be impossible to complete. Re-completing the Alpha set (though I think there could be a missing Keeler? somewhere) would be next to impossible, if not impossible. To the best of my knowledge there are 3 known 1886 Hancock Clothing minor league cards(1st minor league cards known). I think I know where all 3 are and I am not sure it would be totally impossible for one of the 3 collectors that already has one to acquire the other 2.....Mine will be for sale in the future (probably)..... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="http://www.luckeycards.com/pnunc1886hancocksclothing.jpg">

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06-20-2008, 11:00 AM

Posted By: Scott M.I know its not an attractive set but I don't think anyone would be able to put together another 1910 All Star Base-Ball set without the following two cards (along with 6 others) that I had catalogued back in the late 1990s... <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~phlflyer1/baseball/ASBP/ASBP_Cobb.JPG"> <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~phlflyer1/baseball/ASBP/ASBP_Wagner.JPG">

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06-20-2008, 11:55 AM

Posted By: Rhett YeakleyWhile not cards, to my knowledge there are only 1-3 copies known of each pin in the Stenzels Rooter Button set. All of the following were not known to exist until these showed up. <img src="http://www.geocities.com/rhettmatthew_37/stenzeldonlin.JPG"> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/rhettmatthew_37/stenzelharper.JPG"> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/rhettmatthew_37/stenzelpietz.JPG"> <img src="http://www.geocities.com/rhettmatthew_37/stenzelsutthoff.JPG"> -Rhett

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06-20-2008, 11:57 AM

Posted By: RichardI can't imagine a T214 Victory set could ever be completed with out this, among many others: <a href="http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/bank/?action=view&current=victoryfront-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/bank/victoryfront-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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06-20-2008, 12:04 PM

Posted By: Rob D.Leon, I was sort of following the logic of this thread until you agreed that the Butter Cream set is one that likely can't be completed. Yet just a month or so ago a Ruth was offered, and even though its hammer price reached six figures, it's not like it was "impossible" to obtain. Like you said, there is more than one known. And though the other 29 cards are scarce, they're available if one is persistent. I would think that sets that have multiple cards of which there are only 1-2 known would fit your descripton better, but again, I could be missing the intent of the thread. (Actually, that's very likely. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>)

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06-20-2008, 12:12 PM

Posted By: DarrenI think a complete T206 Drum subset would be impossible even with unlimited funds....even Lenox, Uzit, Broadleaf, and Carolina Brights would be improbable. Piedmont and Sweet Caporal could be done, but would cost $$$ given that Wagner fella(Honus, not Heinie).

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06-20-2008, 12:17 PM

Posted By: leonGet back on the train here....... The Buttercream Ruth, according to REA, might be 1 of 1, or 1 of 2 still in existence. When there are only 2 cards known to complete something I call that a "missing link" with respect to the thrust (I just wanted to say "thrust" <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>) of my thread.....regards

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06-20-2008, 12:41 PM

Posted By: Jon CanfieldYou disqualified my Colgan's Thorpe and Jackson and my T210 Jackson and my Baltimore Ruth because all were available recently and they were, more or less, a question of money. With the Colgan's Thorpe, I thought there were only 2, maybe 3 known; same with the Jackson. The Baltimore Ruth has what - 5 total copies? T210 Jackson - 3 or so? Why wouldn't those fit then?

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06-20-2008, 12:46 PM

Posted By: Joe D.1903 Astoria Giants <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-20-2008, 12:52 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJon- I think there are about 11 Baltimore Ruths known, I think 6 blue and 5 red.

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06-20-2008, 12:55 PM

Posted By: Rhett YeakleyThere are many T210 Jackson's out there. Getting someone to part with one is the problem. -Rhett

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06-20-2008, 12:55 PM

Posted By: leon This is only fun....I didn't "disqualify" anything I am only making a "debatable" case why cards should be included or not. Actually since the Thorpe and Jackson Colgans are so rare I would tend to agree with you. I don't think the T210 Jackson or the 1914 Ruth are as rare so I wouldn't include them. You are correct though in that this exercise is NOT based on money. If you have enough money there will be another T210 Jackson or another 1914 Ruth in the next 5-10 yrs.....There might not be another Thorpe or Jackson Colgans in that time....So I am really talking about population rarities here....without respect to money. If you have all of the money in the world and want a Buttercream Ruth you can't have one if the 1-2 owners don't want to sell. (if that makes sense)...