SHOELESSJIM & Vintage Investment ebay situation

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>I recently received my first 3 of many negs I am sure after almost 8 years on ebay as a seller of vintage cards. I know I warranted some negative response from Scott for the poor packaging (which I immediately took care of and only a few packages got sent like that). This is really going too far by abusing ebay's new "screw the seller" system. This ***wipe has decided to neg me on 3 graded cards that were sent in oversized mailer for shipping charges. These charges again were CLEARLY stated in the description $5 for the first graded card and $2 per additional card. I dont think this was a huge markup for shipping. Yes, it is more than what it actually cost, but I just wanted covered. I would consider dropping shipping to help, but with this new system I do not think it will matter. i have been selling for 8 years like this and shoelessjim has purchased many items with no problems or complaints before. Clearly a plan to sabatogue perfect feedback. I am sure you will be seeing my items in an auction house soon for I am about done with feebay and their irresponsible way of managing their site. I truly enjoyed this hobby for the good people and history of the game, but seems like there are too many morons like this out there that like to ruin a good thing. I would recommend blocking this bidder. THis really blindsighted me out of nowhere.<br /><br /><br />Jason<br /><br />(changed title since I locked the other thread...in order to be more fair)-leon

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Jason...<br /><br />And I actually charge $7 for the first item and $1.50 for each after that. This way I include insurance and make sure I ship everything now in a hard box.<br /><br />Eric

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Posted By: <b>Jeremy</b><p>Jason - Out of curiosity, I checked the items you referred to and I could not find anything other than $6 insured on each of the 3 items in question. What am I missing here? This dispute is between you two gentlemen, but I must say, I am not understanding your post after looking at the 3 items on ebay...(Item number: 350048489845) - Regards,J<br><br>~ Jeremy ~

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />Jason-<br /><br />Since this is a board member that is the other party involved and he has 100% feedback and enough of it to look like he has some common sense, perhaps things can be worked out to nullify the feedback on both parts for the transactions and agree to just not deal with each other anymore. Yes, the new feedback system sucks...but I don't know that it is anymore "right" to come back with a neg on the buyer because he left you one. Obviously he did is part, which was to pay for the items...so no negative should be given to him. Maybe Jim will chime in and better explain what happened...because I agree the shipping charges were easy to read.

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Posted By: <b>Mark Lutz</b><p>We might be entering an era when buyers leave negative or neutral feedback for shipping charges that exceed the actual cost of shipping.

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>I know it personally does not affect me since I live less than 1 mile from my post office, but it would not surprise me to see people start to hike up their shipping to cover the gas to the Post Office. My truck gets about 15 mph so if I lived out in the country a bit more it "could" cost someone $10 soon just to make the trip. So a $3- $4 charge for $2 worth of shipping or something like that should get anyone upset in my opinion.

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>I was recently in the same position as Jim with Jason's shipping charges. I bought 15 graded M101-5s from vintageinvestments for $219. The shipping charge was $33. I thought that was excessive, given that the box had less than $10 of postage on it. I bring this up not just to bitch, but to indicate to Jason that he might want to rethink his shipping policy, as no buyer is going to be thrilled with it. <br /><br />But on the other hand, I decided not to complain because the shipping charges were listed up front in the auction. I never considered giving a negative. Getting a negative seems like a raw deal for a seller who did, after all, clearly state the charges and stuck to his part of the transaction. Why hammer him after the fact when it's too late for him to do anything about it? <br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>I have done numerous deals with Jason and I have never had a problem at all.<br /><br />I would like to see the auctions in question here.<br /><br />As a seller I do try to combine shipping as much as possible, but with the post off rate hike and all the other added costs, its hard to keep it down.<br /><br />I think if shipping fees are listed in the auction and the seller does what they are supposed to do you can't complain. Ie I pay for insurance and it comes insured or I pay for priority mail and it comes priority mail.<br /><br />As a buyer I would have a problem if I pay for a service and it does not come that way. I have taken a neg for this as well.<br /><br /><br />Actually I would rather pay extra in shipping and get my cards quickly, as lately my cards are taking forever to get to me.<br /><br />James G <br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Jeremy above posted a link to one of the auction listings in question. That listing makes no mention of any combined shipping discount. In the other locked thread, Jim mentioned he has some emails from Jason. I'm guessing the issue here arises from the discussion in those emails regarding combined shipping charges that we aren't privy to.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>For 8.95 a person can mail pounds of cards.<br /><br /><br />Try it, it is called priority mail.<br /><br />They give you the boxes for free too.<br /><br /><br />Steve<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>brian p</b><p>Like Tim I also won multiple m101-5 cards (if I remember correctly 11), and was charged a total of $25.00 for shipping, which was actually around $8.00. As Tim notes, I knew going into it what the combined shipping charges would be, as it was listed in the auction description. I did make mention in my payment that (this seller) should reconsider his shipping policies, as it would discourage me (and potentially other bidders) from bidding on his auctions in the future. In my case I was the underbidder on another 15-20 lots that would have gone for $3 to $7 cheaper if I hadn't bid. So to me it is not good business policy to turn away more bidding action just to rake in some additional unjustifiable shipping charges. I definitely would seriously consider against making multiple bids again from such a seller.<br /> <br />By the way, never received any response to my suggestion.<br /><br />Brian

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>I buy and I sell. Until now, I would never leave bad feedback even when I paid $3-$4 for a $0.52 stamp on a plain envelope because of the retaliatory feedback issue. <br /><br />Look at it from the customer side: You known darn well that the incremental cost of adding another card to a package is maybe $0.17 for ungraded, $0.54 for a graded card. You can even cap the actual cost. Per the USPS:<br /><br />Flat Rate Boxes are available in multiple sizes and shapes to accommodate a variety of contents and shipping needs.<br />Both Flat Rate Boxes, the shirt box size (11" x 8.5" x 5.5") and the shoe box size (13.625" x 11.875" x 3.375"), can be used for domestic and international shipping.<br />— Available to anywhere in the U.S. for $9.80<br />The Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box, (12" x 12" x 5.5") is 50% larger than the original Flat Rate Boxes.<br />— Domestic $12.95<br /><br />You can also use a flat rate priority 2# mailer for $4.75, which easily accommodates several raw cards with packing or 3-4slabbed cards. <br /><br />You do not have to run to the PO to ship; they will come to you and pick up. If you use web generated postage you do not need to hand heavier parcels to the clerk, either.<br /><br />I do not accept "I said $6 a card, so eat it." It may be right per your listing but it isn't fair. If you want to tick off a customer, stick with that. If you want to have a happy camper, however, take a little initiative and when you see someone buying a bunch of your cards, make the gesture with your invoice to reduce shipping some in recognition of the multiple purchase that reduces your work and costs. Instead of an angry recipient wielding negative feedbacks you get a happy potential future customer. If you want to make a tidy little profit on your shipping fees when someone is buying multiple lots from you, you have to expect some ticked off buyers when the postage is way less than the charge, especially now when everyone is feeling squeezed and when the penalty for leaving an accurate feedback for a seller is gone. <br /><br />If I was the buyer in this case I'd have neg'ed you too, on every listing. He certainly felt gouged, especially when he got the packaging he received. Your response made things so much worse: you denied and danced when your response to the damage complaint should have been "sorry the cards were damaged; what can I do to work this out?"<br /><br /><br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>David Goff</b><p>Someone please correct me on this if I am wrong...<br /><br />Would this be considered Mail Fraud? If a buyer is charged say $25 for shipping and the items arrive in one package with $7 paid postage, would that be fraud? I feel if the seller charges X amount for the first item then X amount for each additional item, the items should shipped separately. When I sell multiple items to one buyer, I only charge to standard fee for priority shipping. Baseball cards normally do not weigh that much anyway. Just my two cents...<br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>There are 54200 lawyers on the board but to me fraud means deception......if the shipping cost is on the listing then, to me, it's not deceptive.....gouging maybe, but not fraud....but I am sure I will be corrected quickly <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.....

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p> These charges again were CLEARLY stated in the description $5 for the first graded card and $2 per additional card. I dont think this was a huge markup for shipping.<br /><br /><br /><br />The auctions I looked at made no such mention. I saw 6.00 insured.<br /><br />Am I looking at the correct auctions? I assume they are the 3 that got the negs?<br /><br /><br />Also, I thought the person that had the problem here was named Scott?<br /><br />Or did vintage*investments have a problem with this person (Jim) as well?<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>This is a seperate issue.....so there are 2 being talked about.

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Posted By: <b>David Goff</b><p>Leon<br />You are probably right, but when I read these posts saying "I was charged $30 shipping and the seller paid postage was $7" something seems fishy to me. Making close to $20 on over prices shipping charges just rings fraud.<br /><br />Thanks<br />David<br /><br />edited for typo

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Not sure you are all up on the new USPS rates. I go to the PO almost every day. <br /><br />Current rates Priority mail $4.80<br /><br />Insurance up to $50, 1.70<br />$100 $2.15<br />$200 $2.60<br />$300 $4.60<br /><br />and is goes up a $1.10 or so per hundred.<br /><br />I haven't owened any T202 so I don't know how big the slabs are, at $100 worth of cards with insurance it would cost $7.05 plus DC if that was used.<br /><br />Jim edited his post so I think I missed a lot of the details, so I have no idea of what exactly was charged, what was damaged, and how it was handled.<br /><br />I would like to hear this spelled out as so far we just have people reacting...<br /><br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mt. Joy</b><p>Well I was the first to post my issues but from looking at all the post and emails I have recieved I am not the only one who has had trouble.<br /><br />At first I was against the new feedback policy but after seeing all this I think it may help, sure it can be manipulated but so could the old system. At least now a buyer who pays and does his side of the sale can not be held hostage by the possibilty of a retalitory neg. I know in the past I have held off negging a couple bad sellers because it was over like 10-20 bucks and it was not worth getting a neg over. I think this is going to have a major impact on things like overgrading cards, overcharging on shipping and shoddy packaging, forcing the seller to correct or quit selling.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Assorted notes:<br /><br />1) It's generally categorized, including on eBay, as 'shipping and handling charge,' rather than shipping charge. In the case of a big auction house, ala Mastro, they may hire someone to do the packaging, so their cost of shipping is much more than just the shipping charge printed on the box.<br /><br />2) The shipping charge should be stated, and if the shipping charge is stated it's stated. The prudent bidder checks first to see the shipping charge before bidding. <br /><br />3) The shipping and handling charge should reasonably reflect the shipping and handling cost and effort. I agree that charging $30 to ship a card in a 37 cent stamp envelope is something for the buyer to complain about. Even if the charge was stated, the buyer certainly expected better than a 37 cent stamp envelope.<br /><br />4) Buyers who complain about being overcharged on shipping almost never bring it up to the seller when they are undercharged. Some would call this transparently hypocritical and self--serving. I just had a buyer add a few bucks to cover shipping cost as he thought my charge was to low-- and he was in London England! Last time an American did that was like 4 years ago. <br /><br />As a seller, I don't expect or ask sellers to 'make up the difference,' as I know what I'm doing when I pick shipping cost and take responsibility for it. If I offer 'free shipping' I obviously know the USPO charge will be higher than $0. It's just in the context of arguments about sellers overcharging that I find it interesting to think back how many buyers even pointed out that my shipping charge was less than cost.<br /><br />5) As a buyer, what matters to me is a) Is the charge listed (if the charge is outlandish I will see this before I bid and often will not bid), b) Does the item arrive and securely and c) Was the item packaged properly. Would you believe it that when I receive a package, I often don't even look at the shipping cost on the box?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>It is an issue of common sense and business acumen. If you know that you are getting a break from a buyer of multiple lots, it is common sense and good business sense to pass some of that on to the buyer, even if you don't have to, so you generate good will. Buyers might not recall a favor like that but they definitely will remember feeling gouged if you go the other way. Like last year, when I had some work done at my home that wasn't satisfactory. I made it my mission to tell ten people that the business in question was crappy and had done me wrong. Since my contacts were people looking for work of the sort I had at my house, I know I cost that business ten times what they would have lost making good with me and having me refer them instead. Same idea here. How many people on this board now won't even look at this seller's stuff, all over a few bucks in shipping and some attitude?<br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>I wanted these cards so I bid and I paid. And I still wouldn't leave a neg as long as the auction stated the charges. <br /><br />But I agree completely that it's bad business sense, and I won't ever buy multiples from this seller unless it's something I REAALLLLY want.

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Leaving negatives solely for clearly stated shipping charges is outrageous. The $6 charge is clearly stated in Jason's auction, and it sounds like Jason gave a discount on the other auction wins. If you don't like a seller's shipping charges, then don't bid, or bid less.<br /><br />I've purchased from Jim and (I think) Jason before. Sorry, but unless I am missing something here this is bad form on Jim's part.<br /><br />On a related note, I recently purchased 36 slabbed cards and 1/2 of a 1970s set off eBay from a dealer I've done business with many times before. I paid $80 in shipping -- $4 for the first card, plus $2 for each other card, plus $6 for the 1/2 set. Did I overpay for shipping? Definitely. But the charges were calculated exactly as the seller stated, and I factored the cost into my bids, so I have nothing to complain about. In fact, I'm quite pleased with my wins, and what I paid.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>if it is only stated as SHIPPING and it's more than what's put on the package, TECHNICALLY speaking I think it can be considered fraud. It's nothing that anyone would REALLY do anything about though. If it is correctly stated as SHIPPING & HANDLING, then it's pretty much open season. The 'HANDLING' part is wide open for variances like what someone stated back upstream...........Mastro has overhead from employees for packing/shipping, warehouse or office space, etc, so a higher cost for handling than what your average weekend warrior type ebay'er might have. The costs seem steep to me given what it ACTUALLY cost the guy to ship it though. But if it's clear in the email, then not much to gripe about. I like the $6.00 per auction for shipping but will combine costs and then after the auction it's like $6.00 for first and $5.00 for each after that. I've been zinged with a couple of those.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p> Scott Gaynor published an amazingly detailed and honest post about why shipping costs are so high for so many sellers. I don't want to search for that post -- but it explained for professional dealers quite clearly why the shipping costs which seem outreagous are not as bad as they seem.<br /><br /> If someone wants to find that post and lift/carry that post here -- it would show some nice light on the subject<br /><br /> Regards<br /> Rich

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Posted By: <b>Bob C</b><p>When I sell on EBay, I charge a flat fee of $5.00 for S&H regardless of final value of item won. In addition I add the ACTUAL COST of USPS postal insurance based upon final value of item won. If the same buyer wins additional auctions the S&H fee does not increase; it remains $5.00 – no multiple “hits” for multiple wins. I clearly state this in my auction instructions.<br /><br />I break it down like this:<br /><br />-8-1/2” X 11” padded plastic mailer $0.75 <br /><br />-Bubble Wrap/Tape/Staples/Sharpie/Cardboard (I sometimes recycle the bubble wrap)$0.45<br /><br />-Pre-printed, VFW return address label for which I pay a donation (I am a Vet)$0.05<br /><br />-Actual USPS First Class postage (varies by weight) but usually around $1.35<br /><br />-Gasoline to and from the Post Office, say 10 Miles R/T @ $4.25 Gallon,18 MPG (OK I drive a gas guzzler) = $2.40. No charge for depreciation/wear and tear/maintenance<br /><br />-My time to and from the Post Office and the maddening indeterminate wait suffered while I watch under-staffed unionized postal workers work at a pace I can only equate to underwater Tai Chi. (OK here comes the bash from all of the unionized postal workers)= NO CHARGE<br /><br />Five bucks, and with all due respect, I make no apologies for it. Further I may have to increase the S&H if fuel continues its upward spiral. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>About two or three months ago, I decided it's just not worth it. Unless its an oversized card like a cabinet or something, I now eat the shipping costs on any card I sell. For a couple of bucks it's just too much of a headache for me to worry about whether buyers are happy with my shipping fees. <br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Since eBay buyers don't think seller's handling is worth anything, I just leave the box in my alley and hope it finds its way to the Post Office. The boxes are usually gone by early morning, so it appears the boxes know how to handle themselves.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>As I had earlier posted, I recently hired help in dealing with my eBay items. I simply told the help to send the stuff and gave him a guide on shipping. He tallied every item on multiple items won. I have just recently since Scott's situation dealt with it, and in the future I have made the change. <br><br>I for one figure shipping and handling charges in my bids so I dont gripe about it. It does take gas, time, etc. to ship. <br><br>Also I have combines shipping and added insurance on multiple items won in the past as well as sent a card to Autralia that cost me $15 that I only received $3 for. That is the type of seller I am. I would make good on any deal. Jim was unreasonable jerk who was tough to deal with. yes, I got the $5 shipping wrong with his items, the T202s were $6. <br><br>Jim, what goes around comes around.<br><br>Jason<br><br>Boxingcardman:<br><br>As much as you think your opinion is valid I think it is not. Doesnt matter what you think I should charge, I do not use a label system, I CHOOSE to go to the PO which is my right to do. I do it my way not yours. THe terms are clearly stated in the auction you bid in and Jim was completely wrong here. There is no gray area. The neg was not an appropriate action.<br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Why all the name calling? It makes you look very bad.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>there is no helping those who refuse to learn.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>Again the same two trolls who like to cause trouble. You should be banished to the CU forums forever! Where are you Leon? <br><br>All joking aside, Steve I call it as I see it. <br><br><br>Tim-<br><br>I would be more than happy to refund you and anyone else for all of those M101s + every dime of shipping. If that keeps you from future bidding, then I am respectfully sorry. As I said many times over, I have nullified the situation.<br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>2 trolls? who is the other?<br /><br />I have kept my remarks on topic without name calling like you seem to love to do.<br /><br />Maybe you should step back and think before you call me a troll.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Thanks for the offer of some refunded shipping. No worries-- that transaction is done. If the situation arises again, I'll communicate with you before paying about the possibility of a break on S/H for multiples. In this case I figured it into my bids. And I would never have dreamt of negging you since it was all clear from the outset. I chimed in here just to give some context for what was being said about your shipping charges, which did add up-- So I reported the facts of my experience without embellishment. So, no harm or foul on either side, as far as I'm concerned--<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>As I have stated many times my definition, concerning this board, of a troll is an anonymous person that is causing trouble. I don't see that happening here.....As long as shipping/handling charges are stated there there should be no griping about them after the fact, imo. Don't bid if you don't like it...

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Posted By: <b>Chuck Tapia</b><p>It has happened to everyone at E-bay if you trade there enough. For me, the irritation doesn't really arise when I'm over charged for shipping. I think the irritation stems from paying too much and then not getting a decent packaging job in return. In the rare instances that I have over paid for shipping, the bidding isn't nearly as strong no matter how nice the item and then when it comes in the mail, the expectation that the item isn't damaged in transit is higher.<br /><br />Therefore, if you keep on selling at Ebay, which I wouldn't blame anybody for not, just make sure you give your customer what you'd expect and you should be just fine.<br /><br />Being irritated by e-bay transaction many of time, I can see how they might leave a negative, though it isn't warranted until they give you a chance to fix it. The feedback system there has reached an all time low.

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>Chuck-<br><br>I have sold many vintage items on ebay for many years. This is all coming to head simply because of eBay's new crappy feedback system. I agree that Scott's cards were not shipped properly and I have taken care of that, but this thread was started because of another guy negging me for no reason. His cards arrived promptly and just fine with proper packaging. He just wanted to be an arse and negged me. I would bet $1000 that if he knew I could retaliate, then he would have never made an issue out of it. I have sold many, many cards way under market on ebay. He shouldn't take such pride in thinking I wanted to charge him extra for the items selling lower. If I were that kind of person, I just would not have gone through with the transaction. This all makes clear sense if you think about it. Thanks for your input. <br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Tom Nieves</b><p>The new ebay feedback system is designed to, as Mr. Chao would say, separate the wheat from the chaff. And, as we're already starting to see, it's working.

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>Actually Tom, <br><br>No it is giving no protection to sellers as we have clearly seen in my case with shoelessjim. There is no buyer recourse so it clearly opens up the floodgates for blackmail and feedback extortion to the sellers. A simple case of one's point to sabatogue a perfectly good seller's feedback. Doesnt matter because I knew it would be a matter of time just as it will be for every 100% seller now. <br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Tom Hufford</b><p>A few years ago, I regularly dealt with an ebay seller who listed autographed cards in groups of 10. And in every auction listing he gave the postage charge as $3. I'd usually win lots for $6-10 each, I'd pay the listed postage charge, and the cards would arrive in an envelop with a single first class stamp on it. That was OK if it was a single lot, I understand about taking time to package it up, etc. But a couple of times I won 5 or more lots at a time, asked the seller if he could combine postage, and he said "No, postage is $3 per lot." So, I paid $15+ postage, and would get the cards in an envelope with less than $1 postage on it. After doing that a few times, and the seller still refusing to combine postage, I simply said "OK, if I'm paying separate postage fees, then send separate packages." I paid for one lot at a time, via Paypal, and didn't send the payment for the second lot until I'd received the first, etc. After a while, the seller agreed with me that perhaps he SHOULD combine postage. I think he probably had some problems with some other customers, too, though, since he finally told me "This just isn't worth it, I'm not making as much as I used to" and I rarely see him listing anything for auction anymore.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>I agree with Chuck T. Most buyers don't complain about a bit of an overcharge as long as the item is packaged well and delivered in a timely manner. If the seller charges $5 shipping to nicely package a watch in a $3.50 USPO box, very few buyers will complain. It's when the seller charges $15 to ship the watch unprotected in a letter envelope that they will complain. <br /><br />Most buyers don't have a photographic memory for what they paid for shipping last week Tuesday, and will only bring up the issue if something is noticeably out of whack (watch arrives in paper envelope, no insurance even though remembers being charged for insurance) or they're anal retentive. When the nicely packaged package arrives, most buyers won't remember or particularly care if they paid $4 or $4.50 for shipping.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Sellers that do the right things need not worry about buyers leaving negs.<br /><br />And, before MR. Duncan has a hissy fit I am speaking in general, not specifically about him.<br /><br /><br />Steve<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank B</b><p><br /> I agree with Toms approach.<br /><br /> Sellers who refuse to combine shipping and also refuse to send the<br />items individually are clearly trying to gouge. If I have to pay individual<br />shipping charges for each item I should have the option of receiving each<br />item individually. You paid for it, you should be able to get what you paid for.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I am going to agree with Steve on this one. A bunch of graded cards and heavy should go priority or as Adam stated, flat rate priority. In this case when it exceeds a certain weight, then yes, the boxes are free. THEY ARE NOT FREE when you are shipping something less than 2lbs. Your customers are getting clobbered. I offer both 1st class and priority mail so it is the buyers choice as insurance should be as well at their risk.<p><br />I am sorry but I completely agree with Adam as well. Stating the shipping price shouldn't free you from a negative and doesn't give you a license to steal. This seller would have many more negatives I bet if it wasn't for the fear of retaliation which is what the new system has been rid of. <p><br /><br />adding $$$ for each additional auction is trying to get the buyer to pay your ebay fees, not help with shipping. If the weight goes up then yes, add some shipping. Otherwise, 1 or 10 raw cards should cost the same or maybe $1 more max.<p><br /><br />Tim, $33 shipping???? How long after that before you could sit down again?? Dan.<br /><br />oops! I wanted to also state that Jason should not be getting gigged on fair deals just to rack up negatives against him for a few bad deals. That doesn't seem fair.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>THEY ARE NOT FREE when you are shipping something less than 2lbs.<br /><br /><br />Not sure I understand you Dan, but, one could send a raw card priority, and get the box for free.<br /><br />One could send an empty box for that matter. <br /><br />There is no charge for these boxes other then the fee one pays for their use.<br /><br />You can get them at your local PO, or order them online from the USPS and your mail man delivers <br /><br />them to your door.<br /><br /><br />Before the recent hike I was paying 4.60 to send my orders out Priority.<br /><br />Not sure what it is now.<br /><br />The reason (like you mention) is some sellers charge extra for added wins so they can get<br /><br />some money towards the various fees they incur, Paypal, ebay etc.<br /><br />Again, if all is noted in the description no one should cry later.<br /><br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Steve reference my answer to this in another thread to you. You are paying $4.60 to ship something that you could ship in a bubble mailer for $1.37 or a box 1st class for $1.90. PRIORITY BOXES ARE NOT FREE your customers are paying for them. It is really very logical math here Steve. You think the boxes are free as you are not paying for them but your customer now has to pay you $4.60+ for something that they should only be paying $1.37+ for. Not free at all. take care, Dan.<p><br /><br />Edited to mention this is why I always offer 1st class and priority. 1st class for the customers that want the reasonable shipping and priority for the fools that think it will get there faster or that it is handled any differently by the post office.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Now I understand Dan, but some customers prefer shipment that way.<br /><br />I guess the 2lbs is what thru me off. Your saying that over 2lbs it is then best to<br />send priorty?<br /><br />Sometimes a box is better then a bubble mailer especially for hi end items.<br /><br />nd the gist of this thread was sellers charging 24 plus dollars to ship items.<br /><br />It was there that I mentioned priority mail is better suited.<br /><br />In any event yes the customer is paying for the shipping even though<br />the boxes are free to use. One could use any box and send priority mail.<br /><br /><br />Steve<br /><br /><br />Dan priorty mail can get there faster and it is handled differently.<br /><br />Bubble mailers will go thru the machine while the boxes won't.<br /><br />I prefer it as my method of shipping for hi end items.<br /><br />For me Hi end means 150.00 or higher.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Yes Steve it can get there faster but rarely does. Please test this if you haven't though that may get expensive now, as I did a several package test all over the country. Yes bubbles go through a machine but 1st class boxes do not, they are handled exactly as the priority boxes. I an sending out a $700 card on Tuesday, my buyer had the option of 1st class or priority and he chose 1st class. He gets it well packed and in a nice sturdy box. He saved about $2.50 on shipping and will receive the exact same service as a priority box. <p>Yes the weight really matters, most of what I said only pertains to light items. As you stated and I FULLY agree, anything heavier and priority is a no brainer. As such in Tim's case which I think you were referring to, I am completely with you there Steve, ship those multiple slabs priority because of weight. A nice high end card is just as safe ain a brown box as it is in a red,white and blue one. I offer both 1st class and priority at different costs. Quite honestly if I am bidding on just 1 card I will ask if the seller will ship 1st class if only priority is lisetd. If he refuses, I usually don't bid as light items shipped priority is gouging. Take care Steve, Dan.

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>Like I have stated many times before, my fees were not intended to gouge anyone. If someone purchased 33 items in Tim's case then my helper just did the math and add them up and send the invoice. I ususally cap shipping at $10 no matter what. All of the thousands that have purchased before MArch from me know this. I am very reasonable to work with. I even offered Tim a complete refund in which he denied so I TRY to make people happy. These recent negs are coming from completely unreasonable parties. The latest one even makes no sense. I hope they are sellers too.......what goes around seems to come around. I have always been ready and willing to offer refunds on anything I sell. THere really should be no grounds for negs here. I will be disputing all with eBay but I will not hold my breath. The days of the 100% seller are coming to an end, no matter who you are.<br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I agree Jason, disputing with ebay is probably a waste of time. Now you said you offered Tim a full refund?? If you cap shipping out at $10 usually, why not just send Tim $23 since he was very happy with the cards? Dan.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>I sell photos in varying sizes and a good percentage of my buyers are foreign. A practical problem for me is I don't know what the shipping charge of a 11x14" photo to Denmark will be until I'm charged at the post office. I can guess if asked, but I don't know what they my shipping charge will be before I ship, in particular when the photo doesn't fit in a standard envelope or box and will be custom packaged. I'm sure what I charge for foreign shipping is less than my cost. <br /><br />As a seller I look at what the customer paid minus what my total cost (cost of item, paypal charge, eBay charge, shipping charge, etc, etc). Whether shipping cost is $2 or $18 means nothing in and of itself. Shipping is just one of many simultaneous charges, and I don't consider shipping as an independent, special charge. It's buyers who isolate shipping as a unique, special cost. If a buyer insists on lowering shipping charge $5 and raising winning $5, that makes no difference to the seller. The final answer in the above equation remains the same. The seller would be willing to charge you -$27 for shipping, if the final answer remained the same.<br /><br />I can promise you when someone offers you "Free shipping," the shipping isn't free. The shipping charge/cost is factored into the price you pay. $25 + ($5 shipping) = $30 + (Free shipping). The reason a seller would pick the latter "Free shipping," even when either side of the equation means the same $30, is because he knows buyers are so focused on that shipping charge. <br /><br /><i> </i> <i> </i><br /><br />It can be a Rorschach ink blot with sellers and buyers seeing the same thing differently. Say you ask a seller and a buyer to look at the below total sales prices for the same baseball card.<br /><br />a) Cost = $15 + $2 for shipping; b) Cost = $10 + $7 for shipping.<br /><br />The seller might say a and b are the same thing, while they buyer might say they're different.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Since I hadn't complained before the sale I didn't think a refund was necessary, but Jason, if you usually cap postage at $10 and mine was $33, I wouldn't object to a partial refund of shipping. I'd be happy if you wanted to split the difference to account for handling, etc. Whatever you want to Paypal to apspr@msn.com is fine. Or nothing, no biggie.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>Tim-<br><br>Paypal sent.<br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>if stated ,nothing to complain about. Certainly a buyer with concern could have sent an email before shipping, it takes all of what....?<br /><br />I will email ANY uncertainties rest assured.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>I appreciate it-- and will remember it--<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Way to go Jason! You spoke and backed it up with a great gesture! Thanks for your honesty. Tim, my cut is $22.98. Dan.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I don't understand why people are complaining about the new feedback for E-bay. The buyer's only responsibility is to pay for the item. How can a buyer screw up unless they did not pay? If they didn't pay, the seller should obviously still have the merchandise. There's not really a loss in that case except for the hassle of re-listing. You can even offer it to the next highest bidder. However, there's a lot of ways that a seller can screw up. <br /><br />The old system guaranteed that each party would receive the same feedback. That's why there are sellers with tens of thousands of transactions and 100% positive feedback. Think about it logically. Is that realistic? Are these sellers so good that they had 10,000 transactions and NOT ONE of their customers had a gripe? The old feedback system did not work due to sellers using feedback to retaliate against a buyer. The only time I've received negative feedback was because the guy forgot to ship my order and I emailed him 3 weeks later asking where my order was. He put it in the mail the next day. I left negative feedback. Then he responds with negative feedback! How did I deserve a negative? I paid via Pay Pal 5 minutes after the auction ended! Nevertheless, I received negative feedback.

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Posted By: <b>James Loewke</b><p>Here is the proof, of the actual transaction. I called him out on this and I can back it up here. <br /><br />Leon, I hope you let this e-mail stand. So much has been written about transparency, integrity and trust in auctions and here is a case of one of N54's not telling the truth. A suggestion for you Jason: in the future, when you are going to lie, don't leave a paper trail.<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />From: DDuncanVintage@aol.com<br />Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:33:53 -0400<br />Subject: Re: Your invoice for eBay purchases - item # 350048489845, 160229878416, 3500...<br />To: shoelessjoe_in_hof@msn.com<br /><br /><br />Jim-<br /> <br />The description clearly states that shipping and handling is $5 for the first graded card and $2 per additional card. I charge shipping and HANDLING because I pay someone to handle and mail these items. Seems to me like you won these very cheap. I would suggest paying the extra couple of bucks and moving on. I would be glad to keep the cards if you are not happy with the terms I clearly stated. Please let me know your intentions. I know I have paid more than that in the past, but when I get cards really cheap I just pay it as quickly as possible and move on. If you would have won more items I would have obviously capped the shipping.<br /> <br /> <br />Thanks<br />Jason<br /><br />I replied the following on the 22nd, the next day.<br /><br />Jason, I will pay the high charge; and it is irrelevant whether I got the cards cheap or not. Furthermore, I just checked again at all three auctions I won and I can not find any statement that says each additional card is an extra $2. It states that insured shipping is $6 and nothing more. I will however, take your suggestion and not be bidding in your auctions in the future. To make a few more dollars on shipping, you just lost a real bidding customer. A check went out in the mail this morning. Good luck to your endeavors in the future.<br />Thanks,<br />Jim<br /><br />He then e-mailed me this letter:<br /><br />In a message dated 4/22/2008 8:19:53 AM Central Daylight Time, shoelessjoe_in_hof@msn.com writes:<br />350048489845<br />Jim-<br /> <br />I stand corrected. I did not have the $2 per additional card posted like I do in my other descriptions. Feel free to send $6 insured total for all 3 cards. I apologize for the inconveinence. Congrats on the cards. <br /> <br /> <br />Jason<br /><br />So in his own words, he admitted his mistake at the time. And this was all it was at the time, a simple mistake. No problem, as I got the cards, even though they were loosely slipped into a padded envelope. If they hadn't been slabbed, they surely would have been banged up. And the shipping is as important as anything and reflects on the entire deal.<br /><br />Now check what he states at the top of this thread. Judge for yourself. You can also do a search of ebay completed items to confirm this (350048489845, 160229878416, 350048488374). Bottom line here, I was glad to get the cards and left it at that; no feedback left.<br /><br />As for the negative feedback I eventually gave him. On the surface, he has a fair argument. It does look like he was wronged. But as I stated, I was content to just walk away from the transaction and forgot all about him. Then when I saw him give the same unwarranted BS and grief to Scott, I got angry. Here he was doing the same thing to one of the nicest collectors/people you will meet. And I wondered how many others received the same attacks and nonsense. Well, I had enough and was happy to give him the accurate and warranted negative feedback. The more I thought about it, I came to realize he "earned" the negative feedback. He brought it on himself. I am not some cyberspace crusader for sure, but thought this person's lousy attitude and strong armed tactics needed to be exposed.<br /><br />Well, those are the facts, draw your own conclusions.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>The new feedback system sucks for the seller as a buyer that doesn't pay should be able to receive a negative to warn other buyers. I agree with most of it but if I file a NPB and the buyer never pays and can't prove it, then I should be able to clobber him, PERIOD!

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p> <br />Ebay should automatically give non paying buyers a neg.<br /><br /><br />James, points well taken.<br /><br />Steve<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Hagar Henderson</b><p>Dan, doesn't E-bay already have a system in place to nail non-payers? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that E-bay contacts deadbeat buyers themselves and suspends their accounts if they do it on multiple occasions. I know one guy at work that got his account revoked for not paying. If E-bay takes action in these situations, there is really no need for the seller to leave feedback. I may be totally wrong on this but this was my understanding.

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Posted By: <b>jay wolt</b><p>Hagar - Yes!<br />With eBay 3 strikes and your out for non paying bidders.<br />Then again, they can open another account w/ another ID<br />if they choose to.

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Posted By: <b>Hagar Henderson</b><p>Thanks Jay, I knew there was something that E-bay did for these problems. Someone could set up a new account. I don't know how well E-bay polices people that set up new accounts. I work for the largest online retailer in the world and we track problem customers and we have many ways to catch them setting up new accounts. We make it very difficult for repeat offenders to come back.

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>you can always block new bidders with "0" feedbacks, international bidders, progressive republicans, dirty hippies, bidders you don't like...etc etc. my biggest pet peeve is when sellers won't give positive feedback first like they have something to hide (besides david bryan of course because he's the best!). in those cases i won't leave feedback either.<br /><br />it's not that hard being a seller for me...collect the money, secure packages with mastro's cardboard cutouts (with their $50 shipping fee they send you about a year's worth of supply), ship and leave feedback the same day...drop a note to the buyer asking to let you know when package arrives, sip some ice tea. i don't do this full time so maybe i don't understand some of the b.s. in this thread...<br /><br />oh yea i'd also be pissed if i'm charged $10 for shipping and it comes in an $1.29 envelope with minimal effort on the "handling" part, and would have no problem neg-ing the seller last year or this year.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p><br />you can always block new bidders with "0" feedbacks,<br /><br /><br /><br />I do not think you can do that. You can block bidders with minus feedback though.<br /><br /><br />Yes I am aware of the so called 3 strikes and your out, actually it is 4 as the first <br />one you can get erased. My point was sellers could know up front if a buyer<br />has done that before.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>George Dreher</b><p>With the dismal feedback changes, here is how you can block more potential deadbeats:<br /><br />Go to the eBay UK site and login, then go into the seller preferences. On the US site, it only gives you the option to block deadbeats who have 2 NPB in the last 30 days, but on the UK site, you can set the parameters to block deadbeats who have 2 NPB during the last 12 months. Set it to 12 months and save the changes. Then, go back to the US site and you'll notice that the changes you made are now in effect here also. Then you can sell victoriously!

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>Jim<br> <br>I was wronged you know it and I know it, you internet tough guy behind your screen! You even admitted that I tried to make it right. Fact is that you and I both know if ebay had not changed the rules then you would have never given me the neg. By the way, your cards were packaged secure and in no danger. You are full of crap if you think I packaged yours non securely. Jim, what goes around comes around. Good luck.<br> <br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>This has become a stale issue that's on an endless loop. A lot of younger collectors/future buyers look at this board. We're no longer adolescents ourselves, so please let this die.

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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>you can send 70 pounds of cards at a fixed rate of $8.90 (still)<br />now,that's not to say insurance or not they may get damaged!<br />Postal workers do not like boxes and love to throw them around.<br />I know,my brother is a carriar for over 35 years now and has back problems and tells me even if the box weighs 8 ounces he tosses it across the mail sorting floor. I don't know how much this stuff is worth but i ask to devoid insurance and take the risk if the items are less than $250. insurance too is a rip off.<br /> <br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>DR</b><p>Thank you.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Wow, one story after another.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Maybe his hired help sent the card to PSA?<br /><br /><img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> &lt;-------------winking smiley

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Again, this does not surprise me.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>George,<br /><br /> Great advice (reprinted below). Haven't sold anything on Ebay in awhile but if and when I do, that end-around you described via the UK site will come in handy.<br /><br /><br /><br />"With the dismal feedback changes, here is how you can block more potential deadbeats:<br /><br />Go to the eBay UK site and login, then go into the seller preferences. On the US site, it only gives you the option to block deadbeats who have 2 NPB in the last 30 days, but on the UK site, you can set the parameters to block deadbeats who have 2 NPB during the last 12 months. Set it to 12 months and save the changes. Then, go back to the US site and you'll notice that the changes you made are now in effect here also. Then you can sell victoriously!"<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>I told you I had a friend send the card to PSA with some other A &amp; Gs by mistake and didnt get it pulled off ebay. We had this issue worked out I thought. No need to post it. I offered the refund in the beginning which you said you preferred the card. The card takes time to grade and get back. I said as soon as he can get me a submission # I would contact you and you have been impatient. Please do not post again. More fuel for the fire I suppose! Anyway your refund will be sent tommorrow and if you want the card once it gets back you can call me like I requested earlier today! Also you are incorrect about numerous emails and calls to track me down. You called one time which I thought we had it handled then. Take care.<br><br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mt. Joy</b><p>Ok so i thought I was done with this mess but no. Jason refunded the amount for my four cards and I had to ask him (he did not offer it) to refund the amount over his $10 max shipping he charged me, another $14. He does that and I send out the cards insured and with dc (paying for it myself). <br /><br />I then left him 19 positives and one negative over all this. My main reason for the neg was I felt I should not have to go through all this and felt leaving only one negative was fair and deserving, I also wanted to let other buyers out there know just how my experience went. <br /><br />Then I get home and get an email from him saying I will get whats coming to me, I check ebay and sure enough he has purchased my two lowest priced store items and im sure he hopes to leave me negs on both of them. What a bunch of bull, this guy is crazy. So here I am back again letting every one know just what kind of seller we are dealing with. Now off to call ebay and cancel his false purchases, what a pain.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Cant you throw out his winning bid as the buyer? I thought you could choose to not sell to a buyer if necessary.

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>It will be interesting to see how Scott & Jason treat each other should they meet at the Net54 dinner.<br /><img src="http://vbbc.forumotion.com/users/17/23/61/smiles/136179.gif">

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Posted By: <b>anthony</b><p>i couldnt read all the posts to this thread (some were long) so i will say that if the shipping/handling charges are clearly put in the listing, no one should ever complain about them if they are the winning bidder. bidders are responsible for reading the entire listing, and ask questions if necessary

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Even if excessive shipping is listed, the seller is wrong (per policy) to charge unreasonable S&H fees. After reading this thing, I now realize I was unfair on some sales.<br /><br /><a href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-shipping.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-shipping.html</a>

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>Scott-<br><br><br>I fully intend on paying for the two items I won. Actually I already paid via paypal. I really am looking forward to the cards. As far as shipping you knew the terms when you bid, and you cannot complain. My fees are acutally cheaper than yours! $4 each for two raw cards I paid. I charge $3 + 50 cents per additional item! GO figure. You are the pot calling the kettle black. As far as how fair you were with my feedback let's let others judge:<br><br>1) I refund you fully with paypal per your request.<br>2) Added REFUND for over half shipping I charged you which you read in the description and agreed to bid on and pay anyway.<br>3) Took your word you would mail the 4 cards and still never got them back.<br>4) You neg me AFTER I REFUND you completely + more.<br>5) You contradict yourself in the neg and even admit I REFUNDED you. <br>6) So does your auction warrant positive feedback EVEN though you cahrged me more shipping than I charged you per item? We Shall see. <br>7) Enjoy your weekend. <br><br><br><br>

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>Scott-<br><br>By the way I did not request you send my cards back and pay extra for insurance. Do not try to make yourself sound like such a martor. Most people know what kind of seller I am. Ask Dan Koteles, Jim Manos, Toby Peterson, Brian and Mike Wentz, and numerous others. I have done many transactions with these guys with never a problem. I remedied your problem on YOUR terms and you still negged me. Seems like this is starting to happen alot on ebay lately with buyers like yourself thinking you have some kind of control over blackmail into refunds. Well what goes around comes around. I would love to meet you and get your excuse in person sometime.<br><br>Thanks alot,<br><br>Jason<br><br>edited for typos.

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Posted By: <b>george &quot;bulldog&quot; adams</b><p>will predict this kid is suspended from ebay within 1 month. bulldog

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I believe ebay has opened a can of worms and they better put the lid back on quick. My brother got 2 negs tonight because it took a whole EIGHT DAYS!!! for the buyer to get his items.<br /><br />edited to add: for the time being I am taking a selling break from ebay...not necessarily because I'm afraid to get a negative for no good reason, but it's in the back of my mind. I'll use B/S/T for now. Oh and I shipped out about 20 packages about two weeks ago when I sold a bunch of nonsport cards through ebay and left positives for every single buyer as soon as they payed...more than half of those buyers have yet to leave me any feedback whatsoever. What's the point of a seller leaving feedback anymore?

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Posted By: <b>Josh</b><p>Unreal, I am being blackmailed by an e-bay buyer as we speak. I sent the item out the same day he paid for it and it took 6 days to get to him. He wants a full refund he told me or else he is going to Neg me. This is not right and I have never had this happen before. I have a feeling as well there will be a lot of this in the future from the dishonest buyers.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mt Joy</b><p><br />Blackmail over refund, yea right??? Your help screwed up and sent my 20 auctions in ONE card saver and only 4 of the cards were damaged and you think I'm holding you blackmail. Your negligence cased this hole mess. <br /><br />I'm also sure you have lots of happy customers, good for you, but I have also seen no less than 5 posters here say they were unhappy with your packaging or your customer service, most were lucky thou and the cards were not damaged. You also have 5 negs from three different people this month on ebay. This isnt one person blackmailing you. Heck I paid you over $400 and I only wanted a refund on $62 plus your own admitted overcharge on the shipping (paid $24 shipping and you max shipping at $10) and I sent you the 4 cards back at my cost.<br /><br />I also think the neg was deserved (horrible packaging) and thats why I gave it to you.<br /><br />Seriously does anyone here think I am blackmailing Jason for gain??? <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>The new policy will turn the feedback rating into a barometer of customer satisfaction. Only the small time dealer who giftwraps the cards and sends them free overnight will have 100% positive feedback. I suppose that it is something we'll get used to, sooner or later.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mt Joy</b><p>Well jason your paypal was refunded, not happening and ebay has been alerted that you are harrassing me and they will handle any more attempts by you to buy my items.<br /><br />Yes my store auctions are 4 dollars including shipping and insurance, do you want references on the 3 times someone has bought more than one item from my store and I combined the shipping for $4 to them? Of maybe you should check my past auctons where nearly all of them are $2.35 and .50 additional for other wins. Also I paid your postage fees and the only reason I asked for a refund was you clearly stated in the thread that you cap shipping at $10 and you refunded someone else, so why shoudl I not get refunded?<br /><br />I also have no problem with net54 members giving their view on me giving you a neg for all this.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>a simple email and none of this would be being discussed.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p> <br /><br /><br /> Never mind.<br /><br /><br />Steve<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>Scott-<br><br>Let's keep your posts under the correct thread.<br><br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>DR</b><p>Jason, Please contact me about the promised refund and purchase you made from my eBay store before I post the sordid details. Have you received the multiple emails and eBay invoices or to busy Net54 posting? I'm unimpressed.

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Posted By: <b>Ted</b><p>"I recently hired help in dealing with my eBay items"<br /><br />then you should train them not to shove as many cards as possible into ONE holder. As a seller I charge 1.65 for GRADED cards..still have less than 5 stars <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Rawn Hill</b><p>I still love a train wreck.<br /><br />Rawn

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>David-<br><br>Refund was sent as I said. I find your lack of patience disturbing. Do not email me again until you ship my winning card. Any posts from here on out will be ignored. If you have anything more to say just call me and quit hiding behind a screen. <br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>I also have no problem with net54 members giving their view on me giving you a neg for all this.<br /><br /><br />I feel you were to easy on him.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>bigfish</b><p>I have never had a problem with any transaction we have done and there have been many. I would let this go and e-mail me if you have a cracker jack Joe Jackson for sale. I am in need of one.<br /><br />Toby

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>I too have had many successful transactions with Jason and plan to do more business with him.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>Toby-<br><br>You are about a week too late! I sold the PSA 2 about a week ago. Thanks for the feedback from respectable hobby guys. Mike (hobby stump) is 100% class act as well as Toby. I really appreciate guys like this who are REASONABLE. I have spent 8 years+ on ebay building a flawless reputation only to have it hit 3 times since the new rule. As I did hire help and Scott Joy's stuff was admittingly shipped in a very laxing way, I did more than make up for it as I always do. As far as the other two goons they are not even worth commenting on. This dead horse has been beaten way TOOOOOOO long and I am sure people are tired of seeing it come up to the top. This will be my last post regardless of how many times Jim, Scott, or anyone else says.<br><br>Jason

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Posted By: <b>DR</b><p>bump

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>100<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>David-<br><br>Why would you bump thi8s thread when it has nothing to do with you and is old news? Looks like the weasel is up to something here. Leon can you lock this old thread?<br><br><br>Jason