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05-17-2008, 08:07 AM

Posted By: TonyI think it comes down to overall presentation of the card. 10's that have pin holes, rips and considerable paper loss will range in about the $7K-$8K range. 10's that have only common creasing and corner rounding but still present well, will still run you $10K+. I think Steve's analogy above is right on though. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Tony

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05-17-2008, 10:06 AM

Posted By: James Gallo I have seen lots of these around lately. Every auciton seems to have 2-3 of them. I forget which auction but one have a 10 and a 20 a few months ago and there were some that went in the 5000-6000 range. Oddly I bought the one I had about a year ago for half that, so either I got a great deal or these things somehow REALLY spiked in the last 12-16 months. James G Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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05-17-2008, 10:35 AM

Posted By: TonyJames - I don't think your taking into consideration the buyers premium those cards carried. On an average you can add another $1500 bucks or so on top of the figures you gave to reflect the buyers premium they bring. Grabbing one these even in beater shape for under $6K just doesn't happen anymore.

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05-17-2008, 12:03 PM

Posted By: quani'm also looking to get a low-end jax back even since i sold mine, but i didn't go after the mile high ones. i felt the sgc10 had a partial corner missing, thus losing some of the appeal. that's probably the reason it hovered around 7k. i would rather put in 1-2k more and get something i could enjoy rather than cringe at <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> p.s. the gai1.5 in the same mile high auction i thought was in line with the pricing as it had a big pin hole and ended around 9.5k? too lazy to look up vcp.

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05-17-2008, 12:12 PM

Posted By: DarrenMost overpriced card on the market.

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05-17-2008, 02:16 PM

Posted By: Tony AndreaDarren, It's funny how many people continue to state what you say about the E90-1 Jax yet it stays strong. I'll be the first to say it's not the most attractive pose of Jax but the demand of this card far out weighs the availability of it. For every 1 or 2 that pop up for sale your always going to have a greater number of persons going after it by a much larger margin. After all, let's face it. It is considered by many Shoeless Joe's rookie card. Tony

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05-17-2008, 02:24 PM

Posted By: leonAnother reason that this card is high priced is that the people with them bid on them to protect their "investment".....

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05-17-2008, 02:29 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman"After all, let's face it. It is considered by many Shoeless Joe's rookie card." There's your answer! And while it may not be the most attractive card, it's unattractiveness is cool in my opinion. Anyone think the Voskamp Wagner is a good looking card? No, but it's a damn cool card.

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05-17-2008, 02:58 PM

Posted By: AdamI too have thought of buying this Joe Jackson card in a low grade. It's been between that and a 1914 CJ Mathewson. I value both cards, in low grade, at around 6-7k. Since I tell myself I only collect T206s, I try very hard to limit my purchases of others. As such, I have decided it's going to be a "buy one or the other but not both." I take it by responses above the 1914 Mathewson would be a better buy (or "investment," if I can steal Leon's word above) as the Jackson is "overpriced?"

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05-17-2008, 03:15 PM

Posted By: SCMarquee cards - an icon card, if you will. If not, it's gotten pretty close. I remember one in Hunt, I think VG to Ex or something similar (ungraded if I remember correctly) a number of years ago, selling for $3000 to a phone bidder, and I thought it was a crazy price. Quite simply, any of the icon cards sell far above what a simple supply/demand curve would dictate.

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05-17-2008, 03:45 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAdam, I'd take a 14 CJ Mathewson over a Jackson e90-1 anyday. Maybe David will post his Lionel Carter SGC 30 (I think). Incredible card.

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05-17-2008, 03:57 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffJeff, Are you joking about the Voskamp's Wagner? I looked for smiley faces but didn't see any. That's one of the coolest looking cards on the planet, in my opinion. -Ryan

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05-17-2008, 04:05 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanRyan, I agree (I think I was the underbidder). Very cool looking card with the white background and stark Wagner image. But it's kind of a plain, dumpy image of him with no color, etc. My point is, sometimes a card's lack of artistic flair makes it an incredibly cool card.

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05-17-2008, 04:05 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzQuan- My buddy picked up the jax card with a supposed hole in it and it turned out to be a mark and not a hole. If it were described that way, it may have sold for more money. I think the Jackson card is very cool and not sure why everyone is hating on it. It looks similar to Cobb leaning on his bat, which is arguably the coolest card of Cobb's many examples. It is also a very unique color. Purple cards are cool, damn it! I can only think of 3 issues that Jackson is in that is in color... t210 (rare, and too pricey!), e90-1 & Cracker Jax. Not too many choices if you want a color example. E90-1 is his true rookie card and the mystic that follows Jackson will never die. The card will continue to go up in price in VG condition or better. Anything less than VG will continue to circulate regularly, so the price may be stagnant. Personally, it is in my top 5 favorite cards in my collection and will be one of the last ever sold. <img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/chiprop/Jacksone90-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/chiprop/CobbCocoa-1.jpg">

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05-17-2008, 04:10 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDan, the Cobb on bat pose is similar obviously to the Jackson e90-1; but Cobb actually looks like that image and Jackson does not. I think that is the hesitancy for some people on the Jackson. I happen to like both and if I were a crazy Jackson collector as I am with Cobb, I'd be all over it.

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05-17-2008, 04:16 PM

Posted By: Glen TurnerI have a Jackson card that is graded SGC 20. I bought in about 1977. I bid in an auction that was described as a lot of 8 E-cards. I thought what the heck and bid $4. and won the lot. Needless to say I can't remember who the other 7 cards were. Wish I had a T210 Old Mill Jackson, back in 1977 I would have probably had to pay at least $4 for it alone. Ha!!

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05-17-2008, 04:16 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzJeff- I agree, but our choices are limited. Try and find the beauty in this card. It really is an interesting card and image. Also, how many cards in the e90-1 set resemble the true player? Not many!

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05-17-2008, 04:24 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1211062938.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1211063036.JPG">

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05-17-2008, 04:34 PM

Posted By: quanDK, is the jax you're talking about in lew's auction? he had a gorgeous sgc10 that had a backstamp with the supposed tiny pinhole that sold for 10.5k. i think i was the 2nd or 3rd bidder. i'm glad we have different preferences...and i'm not going to try to convince anyone why they should pick the jax over the '14 cj matty (i have enough competition)...although they're both very bloated price-wise imo. my choice...and hope the investment bidding friends will stay away from the next <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>: [ ] '14 matty [x] e90-1 jax [ ] d322 wagner

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05-17-2008, 04:35 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzHow could you? I don't have the time to do this 120 times. To be honest, I don't know what 100 of the e90-1 cards/players should look like. (Not mine) <img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/chiprop/chance.jpg">

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05-17-2008, 04:36 PM

Posted By: JimBLeon said, "Another reason that this card is high priced is that the people with them bid on them to protect their "investment"....." I suppose that is possible, but if you don't want to buy a duplicate, that is very risky. In order to push the envelope on price, one would have to bid at or near what it will sell for. Just putting a low bid in doesn't do anything except maybe eliminate a prospective bidder. I am not saying this sort of thing has never happened, but I doubt it is a regular occurance on a serious level. Maybe I am naive. Dan, I love the pose of the E90-1, but the frequently screwed up facial image is a hinderance for me. Personally, I'll take the CJ or T210, but that is awefully pricey. JimB <img src="http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3185/cjjacksoncutwl0.jpg">

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05-17-2008, 04:37 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzQuan- Yep, that's the one. No hole! It is a gorgeous card in a 10 holder, and the purple stamp is kinda cool too.

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05-17-2008, 04:40 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI agree with Jim's points on both investors bidding up their own card as well as the CJ Jax over the e90-1 version. And Quan, no one here believes that you think the e90-1 Jackson is a better looking card than the 14 CJ Matty or Tip Top Wagner. Nice try. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-17-2008, 04:50 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzQuan- Why does it have to be a 1914 example? I understand that the 1914 is more rare, but the differences are very minor and if you are trying to save money...

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05-17-2008, 04:52 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDan, the 14 CJ Matty is so much cooler looking -- wouldn't you agree?

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05-17-2008, 04:54 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzJeff- not sure I always thought the '15 was nicer <img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/chiprop/jaxCJ.jpg">

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05-17-2008, 04:56 PM

Posted By: JimBDan, The 1914 CJ Matty is a completely different pose from the 1915 - pitching rather than portrait. Jim

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05-17-2008, 04:59 PM

Posted By: Dan Kravitzoops! I thought we were talking about Jax. My bad! I need to stop going to the garage so often!

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05-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzI owned a 1914 CJ Matty in an SGC 40 holder, and it was cool. The problem with the card is that it is super pricey and the price fluctuates alot. I also think that the Matty is no tougher than any other 1914, and wouldn't carry a premium if the same pose were in the 1915 set.

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05-17-2008, 05:11 PM

Posted By: quandan, that lew's jax was an awesome buy then...VGEX card for 10.5k! i was saying amongst those 3 overpriced cards i'd take the jax all day. the '14 cj is so so and it's not even that scarce anymore so the price is not justified...kinda like where the '14 cj chance is heading.

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05-17-2008, 05:15 PM

Posted By: AnonymousANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN PICK UP THE E90-1 JAX NOW? IS THERE ONE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FOR SALE?

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05-17-2008, 05:15 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDan, I hear you re the 14 v. 14 CJs with the same pose. For some (stupid) reason I can't help but want the 14s solely due to their relative scarcity.

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05-17-2008, 05:18 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzAnonymous - Be patient, there will be 10 more offered publicly before the end of the year.

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05-17-2008, 05:19 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanLOL

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05-17-2008, 05:24 PM

Posted By: peter ullmanthat's an amazing story...$4?!?! Back when e cards were terribly un-cool and tobacco was king. They may well have been football or basketball cards! Personally I've never liked the e90-1 Jackson...the poor registration issues and the lipstick. I'd rather have a d322 wagner or possibly 100 other cards.

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05-17-2008, 05:30 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI have an extra PSA 1 e90-1 Jackson which I'd be willing to sell for 19K.

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05-17-2008, 05:32 PM

Posted By: AdamJeff -- Or best offer????

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05-17-2008, 05:35 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanHmmm...Adam, maybe, just maybe.

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05-17-2008, 05:38 PM

Posted By: AdamWow, that would be a great favor Jeff, anyone would be fortunate to get it for that. Wow, a 7k card for maybe 18k or so (assuming the best offer thing).

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05-17-2008, 06:53 PM

Posted By: DMcD<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/bbhofthefirstclass/websize/qu14%20CJ%20Matty.jpg"> Added bonus . . <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/bbbofsfirstclass/bbhofthefirstclass/websize/Tip%20Top%20Bread%20Wagner.jpg"> "Anyone think the Voskamp Wagner is a good looking card?" I thought the REA Voskamp Wagner was beautiful, kind of like a Zeenut on steroids. "No, but it's a damn cool card." Yes sir!

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05-17-2008, 07:13 PM

Posted By: Steve DawsonThe only thing wrong (or maybe just funny) with the 1914 CJ Matty is that it's an unrealistic pose. At that point in his delivery, the ball should not still be in his hand! Steve

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05-17-2008, 07:31 PM

Posted By: jay woltSteve, Maybe Matty just grabbed a comeback 1 hopper <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-17-2008, 07:48 PM

Posted By: AdamThat L. Carter SCG 30 is a GREAT looking 1914 CJ Mathewson, especially compared to what other SGC 30s of that card look like. See, for example, Lot 23 of Memory Lane's May 17 auction. It is crazy for those two cards to be assigned the same grade by SGC.

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05-17-2008, 07:58 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzAdam- I agree. SGC made a boo-boo. The card looked like someone folded it in half, washed it, and kept in their wallet for 10+ years. It's ugly!

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05-17-2008, 08:31 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDavid's CJ is nicer than any grade 3 I have ever seen.

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05-18-2008, 06:43 AM

Posted By: Lyleand one of the few of which there is no debate on the rookie status . It is the only Jax I have owned and likely the only one.Oh,I have never bid up other examples.<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1211114411.JPG">

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05-18-2008, 08:02 AM

Posted By: Dan KravitzLyle- Hope all is well! I have, but only to aquire another example. If I can grab another VG example near 10k, I would be excited. Never near the final selling price though. dk

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05-18-2008, 08:52 AM

Posted By: TonyHere's mine. As Lyle stated, I too have "NEVER" bid on another E90-1 Jax solely for the purpose for it to hold it's value... <img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/andreatny/sgc40e90-1jackson2.jpg">