Cards are here! Fakes?

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Posted By: <b>Dustin</b><p>Howdy! I posted a few days ago (Best way of authenticating cards)wondering where I could get a few cards that I purchased authenticated. Well...They're here, and here are some images of the front and the back of the cards for you to look at. See anything that screams counterfeit, or do you think I should take the chance on having them graded? I laid the cards directly on the scanner to try and get the best images. If you need anymore pics, they can be provided. Thanks!! - Dustin<br /><br /><img src="http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/bluetmax/Cardsfront.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn289/bluetmax/Cardsback.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>I believe every card to be a reprint.<br><br> <br /> <br /> <br />---<br />"There ain't much to being a ballplayer, if you're a ballplayer."<br />-Honus Wagner

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Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>Reprints/fakes.

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Unfortunately the T205s and T206s are fakes, I am 100% of that. The '38 Goudey DiMaggio is a fake also. I suspect the rest are too but don't know enough about the General Baking cards to hazard more than a guess. Sorry...

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Yup Bob the D304's are fake.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p> <br /><br />A real one:<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/asphaltman76/d304merklef.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>I will agree, that all are reprints.

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Posted By: <b>Dustin</b><p>Figures...So what is it about each one that screams reprint? - Dustin

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>I hope you did not spend much because they are all fakes (really bad ones at that). Sorry.<br /><br />Joshua

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>On the Wagner Playball, you can see the spot at the bottom of the reverse where the word "reprint" was erased.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Justin-<br /><br />The rounded corners on all the cards is usually a dead giveaway, most the "cheap" looking reprints come that way. As far as the easiest things you should look out for, the T206's for example are real easy to pick out by the backs. The colors on the backs don't match up with the colors on real t206's. <br /><br /><br />Hope you didn't pay too much for them. I'll say it again "i'd be graded for a while to you get a good feel for things".<br /><br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />Here is a real t206 Sweet Caporal back for example-<br /><br /><img src="http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/asphaltman76/t206walshb.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Dustin</b><p>Like I said in the other post, I spent around $60 for all of them. The guy said in the auction they were reprints, but when I spoke with him he said he wasn't sure (and gave me one of the old stories as to how they were obtained), and put that to be safe. I just took the gamble. I'll probably keep them for comparison purposes, or just re-sell them as reprints. I'm too new in the vintage area to really know. - Dustin

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Fake Fake Fake Fake<br />Fake Fake Fake Fake<br />Fake Fake Fake Fake

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Fake Steve?

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Posted By: <b>jeffdrum</b><p>$60 = He was sure!

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>I had to respond to each of the 12 cards in the order they were laid out so as to be sure. Yes, all fake. <img src="http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_cat.png">

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>what is the auction number on ebay?

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>On the T206s (they are the easiest to spot) the front captions are wrong, the borders are wrong, the colors are wrong, the backs are the wrong color...

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Dustin,<br /><br />Do you have a real T205, T206, Playball?? If you had a few real ones, you'd understand how the guys above so quickly and easily assessed the true reprint nature of all of the cards.<br /><br />Getting a real one is a great help in spotting fakes. Having fakes doesn't help you identify real ones, but could help you identify similar fakes.

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Posted By: <b>Dustin</b><p>Lol! I'm not trashing the guy... He sold them as reprints. Its just once I heard "the story" after I asked him about the cards origins (if it was truly a lie, then there's a thing called Karma) I thought I would take the gamble. I even told him that if he thought they may be authentic that he had thousands of dollars worth of cards on his hands and should think about pulling the auctions until having them authenticated. You live and learn. I said in the earlier post that worst case scenario I have some for comparison purposes. I just want to know what you see in each card that says its a counterfeit? - Dustin

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Posted By: <b>Dustin</b><p>Frank,the only real card that I have out of all the ones that I bought are a t206. - Dustin

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>All fake, Blatant fakes.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>No need to explain. We all take risks from time to time. I recall that fairly recently I took a chance on a couple of Cobbs where the seller stated she just didn't know. Scans looked good so I popped for $800 with a clear understanding from the seller that if I detemined them to be reprints or fakes that she would refund my money. Once in hand I could tell they were not real and she promptly refunded my money in full.<br /><br />I recall back, I think it was Josh K., took a chance on an e95 (I think) Cobb. Bought it cheap. Graded SGC 60. So you never can tell.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I still have a $40 fake General Baking I bought on ebay about 8-9 yrs ago....The guys said he would take it back in trade but I kept it for a reference. ......Very cheap learning lesson you have here...

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Posted By: <b>Shawn Chambers</b><p>In addition to the things pointed out above: wrong font color, backs, etc...<br /><br />It looks to me like the cards have received a bit of the old "sandpaper aging". Anyone else see this? (Especially on the CJ and the T205s). That is never a good sign!!<br /><br />Shawn

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Posted By: <b>Phil</b><p>You can obviously see where someone took sandpaper to the front and back of the cards. Normal wear would not produce a card with (sandpaper) lines going vertically and horizontally on the same card.<br /><br />I don't get that approach...I've started to see more of it lately. How does a guy take sandpaper to the front (and back) of a card and think that that looks like normal wear? LOL!

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Posted By: <b>Iggy</b><p>Dustin, you are sitting on a gold mine!!! As others have stated, the cards are fake as can be..... but all you have to do is sell each one individually on evil-bay, state that they are reprints but be vague with your description. State that you found the cards in the vest pocket of your dearly departed great grandfather... Oh, and don't forget the fuzzy scan. Make sure the scanner is sitting on a fast-moving car as you take the pictures. A few type-o's in your description will help. One last thing, and this is the most important of all. Before you put them back on evil-bay, try to get your hands on a beat-up T206 Honus Wagner reprint. You see, if you don't include a T206 Wagner in your auctions, you lose alot of validity in the scammer world and the rest of the cards you are selling will seem like fakes (I know, I know, they are fakes but that is not the point). Okay, unless others have any more suggestions that is it....before you know it, you will probably make a $1,000 profit. <br /><br />Okay, thank you for letting me vent...<br /><br />-Lovely Day...

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>To add to Iggy's advice - make sure you impart to your potential customers that even though the cards are fake, there is the possibility that they could resell them as being authentic to an unsuspecting buyer. Say things like "old looking" and "doesn't say reprint" to help make the point.

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>Dustin -- on the T206s, these are the following "tells":<br /><br />(1) the name/team font on the front of each of those cards is wrong (compare side-by-side with a real T206, and you'll see the differences);<br /><br />(2) on the backs, none of the cards has a factory designation (a factory state/number appears in very small print near the bottom of each real T206); and<br /><br />(3) the Sweet Caporal back is blue -- all real Sweet Caporal backs are red; and<br /><br />(4) the Old Mill back may also be the wrong color (it looks blue, but hard to tell from the scan) -- the print on Old Mill backs is never blue (should be black or, for Southern League Old Mills, black or brown).

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Posted By: <b>B.C.Daniels</b><p>while the auction was going and he told me off when I told him they were fake. neg him and send the junk back! He knew they were fakes!<br><br>BcD <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>I'd be willing to bet that every single one of us, at one point or another, has gotten burned by a fake.<br /><br />Dustin, on the '38 Goudey DiMaggio, here's how you can tell it's fake. If you look at the card, there's a yellow line that creates a border around the card. The card stock inside the border is yellowish-tan on the top, and outside the border it's white.<br /><br />On an authentic '38 Goudey, the card stock is the same creamy off-white color on the inside and outside of the border. That goes for ALL the cards in the set. Many of the reprints have white outer borders, and off-white inside. If you see that, it's a dead giveaway.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>whoever posted that you should have a known authentic example in hand is spot on. Also, I think it is sometimes a good idea to buy a set of reprints, especially if it's of a set that you would really like to collect and the price isn't too bad. Larry Fritsch (RIP)cards sells several. This won't protect you against counterfeits or all reprints, but it's a good investment, IMO.<br /><br />The first m101-5 I ever bought was a reprint--George McBride--I did not buy a reprint on purpose.<br />The next 200 m101-5s I ever bought were all reprints--from Fritsch--I bought these on purpose. I scanned every single reprint and played with how they could be "aged", as well as compared them to scans of known authentics, especially graded. There is no way I will ever be fooled on these again, especially if I have them in hand.