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05-14-2008, 01:46 PM

Posted By: Brian<<PATTAYA, Thailand (CNN) -- Myanmar's military junta has reportedly insisted it does not need help from foreign aid experts, as weather forecasts predict more bad weather this week for the cyclone-devastated country.>> Just like PSA, the Myanmar's junta refuses to acknowledge reality. Sad...

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05-14-2008, 01:49 PM

Posted By: WesleyAnd that is exactly why I go with SGC for prewar.

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05-14-2008, 02:11 PM

Posted By: leonThey are just letting all of their people die. That is really a bad situation over there......and we think we have problems....

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05-14-2008, 02:11 PM

Posted By: Josh AdamsThat's really insensative, you know? comparing human loss to pieces of cardboard. I like applesauce.

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05-14-2008, 03:37 PM

Posted By: SteveThis is a very stupid thread. Steve

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05-14-2008, 03:42 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI guess the important thing is to maintain a dictatorship at any cost -- even if you don't have any citizens left to oppress because you let them all die.

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05-14-2008, 03:51 PM

Posted By: Joe D.Jeff - are you still referring to PSA?

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05-14-2008, 03:53 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJeez, Joe, we're like in total mental lockstep! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-14-2008, 04:13 PM

Posted By: barrysloateGood one Joe...I can't top that! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-14-2008, 05:19 PM

Posted By: SCKeep in mind, this is the same country that, to solve the aids problem among it's prostitues - lined them up and killed them. It's a struggle - do we have the moral authority, right, or obligation to step in and do what is "right" when we see evil being done? Should we force our way into Myanmar for humanitarian reasons? Should we have gone to Iraq to free the people of Saddam's tyrrany? Should we have bombed the concentration camps in WWII??

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05-14-2008, 05:50 PM

Posted By: marty q"""""""""tasteless"""""""""leon not for nothing don't let this continue, it will be a parade of comics for a post that shouldnt be.

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05-14-2008, 06:42 PM

Posted By: Rob D.I'm curious: Do the folks who request that Leon lock threads they don't like also write to the TV and cable networks, urging them to cancel shows that they find annoying or offensive? Kudos to them if they do. Or ... do they just choose to not watch those shows?

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05-14-2008, 06:50 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliLeon, can you cancel 'Seinfeld'? Thanks in advance, -Al

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05-14-2008, 07:09 PM

Posted By: marty qi didnt know this was the net54 worldy news, ....silly me i thoght it was a forum about prewar baseball cards. here comes comedy central...

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05-14-2008, 07:11 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Al, I love ya..... But I also love Seinfeld.... Don't make me choose... Be well Brian PS What are the chances that tonight's Seinfeld references Myanmar(Burma)???? Crazy.... PS 2... Are you coaching any little league teams???

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05-14-2008, 07:28 PM

Posted By: Rob D.It will always be Burma to me, Brian.

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05-14-2008, 07:48 PM

Posted By: leonThe best censorship is always no censorhip, imo. The more transparency there can be the better it is vis a vis "running" the board (I love to use "vis a vis" though I probably use it incorrectly). That being said the board won't get over run with this stuff. This OT is from an every day poster and is relevent to world news so I let it go. Sorry if it offends anyone. It offends me on several levels (the topic, not the request to stop the thread)....best regards

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05-14-2008, 08:05 PM

Posted By: ZinnLittle too "snarky" for my taste.

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05-15-2008, 05:01 AM

Posted By: barrysloateBrian- the Myanmar episode was just on. Eerie timing.

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05-15-2008, 06:12 AM

Posted By: BrianGeorge Costanza pulls a "PSA" in episode #62 Going out to buy an engagement party present for "The Drake," George parks his father's car in a handicap parking spot, after taking Kramer's advice. An angry mob trashes the vehicle when a disabled woman gets injured, because of the illegal parking. While visiting the woman at the hospital, Kramer falls in love and feels compelled to replace the wheelchair. George becomes his father's butler after his father gets arrested for parking in the spot. This is ironic, in that Joe Orlando was reportedly butler to Dan McKee for an incident not involving a parking space.

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05-15-2008, 06:44 AM

Posted By: SteveMarty, While in and of itself this post can be misconstrued as "tasteless". But remember, laughter is often a coping skill used in tragedies such as this. I've seen it frequently (and effectively) in my near-thirty years of fire service. Doctors, nurses, cops, fire we all do it. Even while working the WTC site, there were occasional sarcastic comments and occasional gallows humor from the career and family Brothers within that rubble. -No question this tone increased productivity and reduced stress. I think it's a genuine American trait, this self-protecting mechanism one employs to detach emotioanly from the task at hand. Concerning the offensive posts, The fellows making them are no less charitable nor concerned about this tragedy than you or I. Try to see it for what it is.

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05-15-2008, 07:05 AM

Posted By: barrysloateShe's got everything I've ever wanted in a woman...except the walking. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 07:52 AM

Posted By: JayI agree with Marty. Using a human tragedy to bash a hobby grading company is in extremely poor taste. Perhaps some of the posters should get a little more perspective in their lives.

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05-15-2008, 07:58 AM

Posted By: Brian<<Perhaps some of the posters should get a little more perspective in their lives.>> Jay, I couldn't agree more.

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05-15-2008, 08:56 AM

Posted By: Brad L.Fanboy statements in comparison to mass suffering and death of actual people is pretty lame. Don't know if you are being sarcastic with the "pulls a PSA" line, but if not, that truely shows the insignificance that you place on those people's lives. I don't usually care about PSA bashing unless it's a blatent lie, but in this case I found it to be in poor taste so I will defend PSA <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 09:11 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellOffensive on 2 levels: 1)The obvious 2)PSA saved the hobby

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05-15-2008, 09:32 AM

Posted By: barrysloate"PSA saved the hobby" might lead to some spirited discussion.

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05-15-2008, 09:37 AM

Posted By: Dave F Yes Jim, That was a bit of a bone-headed thing to say. Dave

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05-15-2008, 09:42 AM

Posted By: Josh AdamsBut hilarious!

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05-15-2008, 09:47 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanComeon, Jim's post is the best one I have ever read on this site: equating the offensiveness of a joke about the Myanmar tragedy with an insult against PSA, the purported savior of the hobby! That is priceless. But what happens when the sacred cows of the hobby are exposed and brought down? Who will we worship then?

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05-15-2008, 09:56 AM

Posted By: Rob D.Jeff, No matter what the blasphemers say, the true believers will always bow down to the almighties: <img src="http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/buckeyextra/2007-photos/psa8.jpg"> <img src="http://www.dispatch.com/wwwexportcontent/sites/dispatch/buckeyextra/2007-photos/psa8.5.jpg"> (Edited because of Barry.)

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05-15-2008, 10:03 AM

Posted By: barrysloateRob- NR MT/MT 8 is the old boss. Say hello to the new boss: NR MT/MT+ 8.5!

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05-15-2008, 10:08 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellNot equally offensive or even near equally, but have to use this opportunity to thank PSA fpr bringing in thousands of new collectors and saving the hobby.

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05-15-2008, 10:13 AM

Posted By: barrysloateGrading did bring in many new collectors, and that's a good thing.

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05-15-2008, 10:52 AM

Posted By: Dave FJim- The problem is I don't think most of us care about the 1000's of collectors of 2004 shiny stuff PSA has brought into the hobby. Just how many of those are buying pre-war? PSA is losing pre-war customers, not gaining them last I looked.

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05-15-2008, 11:02 AM

Posted By: BobDid bringing in thousands of collectors with slabs save the coin hobby? The hobby was doing just fine without the slabs. It has spurred some interest and made collection values increase, I'll give you that Jim, but the "hobby" itself was there before and will survive long after the slabs are history. Maybe I am a little old school and I must admit I enjoy having the cards entombed and displayed in the holders for a number of reasons, but as far as "saving" the hobby, I can't agree on that one.

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05-15-2008, 11:07 AM

Posted By: Steve MurrayI'm not sure I agree. I started (so long ago, it's hard to remember) collecting what was then considered "shiney" stuff. It's a matter of evolution. I've evolved as many others here from shiney to vintage. While there are exceptions, i.e. a newbie becoming interested in collecting and starting with vintage, I suspect it is the exception and not the rule. So without the generic interest in card collecting that PSA has generated we may have many fewer vintage collectors than we have now.

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05-15-2008, 11:10 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellBob, Virtually every high-end collector I know had given up on collecting cards as they could not tell for certain whether cards had been altered. PSA came on the scene and gave collectors assurance that cards were legit, collectors confidence was restored, the PSA Set Registry was established and the rest is history. As far as the 2004 shiny stuff is concerned this is a silly comment. The best sets in every year are the graded ones and one only has to look at the huge numbers of sets registered 1887-1969 to see the impact that card grading has had. Jim

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05-15-2008, 11:19 AM

Posted By: Dave FOk Jim, Lets say PSA saved the hobby. What would you say PSA is doing at this point? Improving the hobby? Improving their own reputation as being the most knowledgeable grading company in the hobby? Or, (as far as pre-war, since thats what this forum is) have they stood the part of being status quo over the years and let the vintage market get away from them? I know you point out 1887-1969 or whatever...but again, I don't care for 1969 (i'll repeat this is a pre-war card forum)

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05-15-2008, 11:21 AM

Posted By: jay wolt"I don't think most of us care about the 1000's of collectors of 2004 shiny stuff PSA has brought into the hobby. Just how many of those are buying pre-war?" Dave - you left a big gap from pre war to 2004 cards. Probably the majority of cards that have been slabbed lay inbetween those 2 periods. There's a multitude of 50's, 60's & 70's material. I started collecting in those era's and now almost exclusively collect pre war, notably 19th Century material. So Steve's comment is spot on.

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05-15-2008, 11:21 AM

Posted By: leonI am not an old timer in the hobby but I would tend to agree that grading has indeed helped the hobby. I know I have been saved numerous times by SGC spotting something I didn't see. I am sure you are real confident with this card too? <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1210872061.JPG">

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05-15-2008, 11:23 AM

Posted By: Rob D.PSA came on the scene and gave collectors assurance that cards were legit, And everyone in the kingdom told the emperor he had really, really nice clothes, too.

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05-15-2008, 11:26 AM

Posted By: Dave F I'll give you Jim, PSA was the first "legit" grading company. And I understand your reasoning for having to pep them up when you have probably millions of dollars in slabs, but as far as pre-war is concerned they in my eyes have become a big joke. And this is from someone that collected exclusively PSA pre-war cards two years ago...I'd never submit another card to them. But thanks PSA for saving the hobby.

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05-15-2008, 12:00 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellLeon, I honestly don't know. What does your friend Doug Allen say about the card. he must have an opinion. Dave, Well I am now trying to do certain prewar sets in SGC 84 or better--not because of any dissatisfaction with PSA but because Dave is a friend of mine, Leon says SGC is the best so it must be true, and its good to have a little diversity. As to whether PSA is actually getting better on their cards, I have been invited to their grading room to meet their graders but California is a long way from Alpharetta. In the absence of that will let the world's leading expert Kevin Saucier speak for me--if he says it I agree. Jim

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05-15-2008, 12:09 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman"world's leading expert" -- does that translate into dollars and cents?

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05-15-2008, 12:17 PM

Posted By: leonI am not sure what Doug would say but why don't you get your friend Joe O to comment on it, since his company deemed it "not altered" by putting a number on it? Inquiring minds would like to know.....I can almost hear my phone ringing now and it must be Joe with a belated call back.....Once upon a time.....

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05-15-2008, 12:30 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanHas anyone ever seen Doug Allen, Joe Orlando or JP Cohen in the same room together?

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05-15-2008, 12:33 PM

Posted By: Neal Kanewhy would Joe Orlando want to call you back?

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05-15-2008, 12:44 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellTell you what Leon--I am supposed to meet Joe in Cali on Tueasday next week--I will ask him and report back what he says if you ask Doug Allen and report back what he says. Cheers, Jim

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05-15-2008, 12:50 PM

Posted By: leonbecause I am a customer....

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05-15-2008, 12:56 PM

Posted By: Steve MurrayAnd isn't customer service their number one objective?

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05-15-2008, 12:58 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellI think what Bill Mastro/Doug Allen say about the card will be more interesting than what Joe Orlando says.

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05-15-2008, 12:59 PM

Posted By: Marty OgelvieJim,Alpharetta, Ga? martyOgelvie nyyankeecards.com

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05-15-2008, 01:00 PM

Posted By: Brad L.One thing I do know is this; just because someone had a bad experience with a company, doesn't mean that any amount of "knowledge" and forced opinion is going to stop someone else, that has had nothing but good experiences with a company, from using that company. I completely understand people's perceptions of PSA, vs. other grading companies, as being subpar on pre-war. But if the anti-PSA group truely believes that PSA has no business grading pre-war cards, then wouldn't they have to question the thousands of people who have, and continue to, get pre-war cards graded by PSA? Surely you can't be that "superior" to others. When it comes to the "big three," it's a personal preference based on personal experience and some factual mistakes and a ton of false claims and that's it. A fanboy is a fanboy no matter how much you think that you know.

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05-15-2008, 01:05 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellMarty, Yes.

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05-15-2008, 01:07 PM

Posted By: Neal KaneI did not know that you were a PSA customer Leon.

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05-15-2008, 01:10 PM

Posted By: leonYes, quite a long time ago I submitted to them and I still buy cards in their holders very frequently....almost daily. So if I am buying their product I do think that makes me a customer. I really do think PSA gets it right most of the time and have nothing personally against Joe O......I assure you if he and I ever talk I will be as polite as anyone...... edited to add....I won't buy above a PSA7 in their holder.....as a personal preference...

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05-15-2008, 01:43 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellWhoops I am meeting Annabelle not Joe. Are you taking me up on this Leon???? Jim

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05-15-2008, 01:49 PM

Posted By: leonWhat do you expect either of them to tell me? THEY aren't the ones who authenticated it. PSA did. I have no idea who Annabelle is either.....No disrespect meant but I am not sure I care..... edited typo

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05-15-2008, 01:54 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellLeon, No doubt you have read of the travels of this card and what is alleged to have happened to it. It has been written about in detail on this board and in a recent book. Many of the details around what happened to it Mr. Mastro would have direct knowledge of. It would be fascinating to know the real story. If Joe was at PSA when this was authenticated he was not involved in the decision. Annabelle is Joe's admin asst. Here is your chance Leon <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 01:55 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellAlso if you have questions you want to ask Joe, you can forward them to me and I will try to get you answers.

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05-15-2008, 01:58 PM

Posted By: leonIn a nutshell the prevailing theory of The Card is that it was most likely cut from a sheet and then possibly trimmed after that. I am pretty sure there are others that know as much as Bill does too.....but all of that is for another thread...... PSA slabbed it with a number. They are the ones that should be asked the questions. I am done with this subject as it's like a cat chasing it's tail....

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05-15-2008, 01:59 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanNo way Bill Mastro would ever be involved in something dishonest regarding baseball cards just to make money. It goes against everything I've ever heard about him. Same thing with Doug Allen. He is honest as the day is long and would never be involved in fraud in connection with Mastro auctions. Just impossible to believe. On another note, has anyone ever seen the Star Trek episode "Mirror Mirror"?

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05-15-2008, 02:01 PM

Posted By: leonAsk him if he would like to advertise on Net54 for me. I need to drum up some business....(Actually there is a small waiting list for a front page banner...this was a joke)

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05-15-2008, 02:06 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJeff, Of course not--both are fine men and an assets to the hobby. Thought there could be a few interesting details that someone who is best buds with them could get them to reveal. Want to swap the 20 55 8s I need for my 7s and cash? Jim

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05-15-2008, 02:58 PM

Posted By: Dave F Marty- Yes...Jim does have a house here in Alpharetta with us southern folk. Unfortunatly I think it is the rain today that has dripped on Jim's head and put him slightly out of whack on his thought process. It may be sunny tomorrow Jim.

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05-15-2008, 04:54 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellI bought a house in Georgia so Dave and I could have our PSA/SGC/ungraded debates in person rather than by e-mail. I even offered to treat him to dinner where I would convince him to see the light. Dave--I love the trips west to see the Rome Braves. I like watching the minor leagues better than majors. Can't wait until Richmond Braves move to Georgia. Jim

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05-15-2008, 05:19 PM

Posted By: Dave FThats exactly what Gwinnett County needs Jim is the Braves AAA team. As if that county needed to get any more congested.

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05-15-2008, 05:26 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJim, do you really have a house in Alphretta? Are you sure you're from NY? And Dave, us NYers were willing to put a stadium up on the west side of manhattan -- which would add an incredible amount of congestion to an already congested area -- in order to have greater access to sports.

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05-15-2008, 05:34 PM

Posted By: Dave F Jeff- We already have the Braves here, and the class A affiliate an hour out of Atlanta...I don't think we really needed the AAA affiliate as well. But what do I know. Unlike in NY where I'm assuming many take taxis, bikes or walk everywhere I have to do the 25 mile commute into work everyday that on a rainy afternoon like today can take 2 hours to get home...and I'm just loving that $4.00 gas. Jim- Were you planning on bringing most of your collection to dinner with you? How many tables would we have to reserve for that? I'll bring my loupe to prove my points on those PSA cards. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 05:49 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDave, fair point. I went to college in Atlanta and have many bad memories of a two hour drive down Peachtree which covered two miles....

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05-15-2008, 05:52 PM

Posted By: Dave F Well Jeff, your a lawyer. So unfortunately you didn't go to the right college in Atlanta. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 05:54 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAhhh, it wasn't my choice of college that doomed me!

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05-15-2008, 06:01 PM

Posted By: Dave FI thought you went to NC or Duke anyway...doesn't matter the best of the ACC schools is in downtown Atlanta. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 06:14 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDuke for law school. As for Ga Tech, I wasn't aware that they played in the ACC.

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05-15-2008, 06:18 PM

Posted By: Dave F Jeff- I'm assuming your talking about on the court. Not on the football field or baseball field (ahem)... That's ok though..as long as you weren't campus buddies with those hood-lums Hurley and Laettner. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 06:28 PM

Posted By: MikeU"Has anyone ever seen Doug Allen, Joe Orlando or JP Cohen in the same room together?" I think Joe and Doug bailed JP out of jail?

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05-15-2008, 06:38 PM

Posted By: jeffdrumYes the new stadium is going up about five miles from my house in Suwanee. Luckily I am moving to Bishop in the near future. What a mess the transportation system is in this town!

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05-15-2008, 06:41 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDave, are you telling me ACC teams play football and baseball? I think it's only basketball. Get your facts straight please.

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05-15-2008, 06:41 PM

Posted By: Dave F Don't take it out on me Jeff, my company just fixes the roads. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 06:44 PM

Posted By: Dave FWell Jeff... Most of them do play football and baseball. Duke and UNC, i'm not so sure. Although, nothing I can say will take away those golden memories of those 7-4 seasons with Coach Spurrier at the helm. Is he in the Duke football HOF yet Jeff?

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05-15-2008, 06:49 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI'll have you know that my last year at Duke we won the ACC with Spurrier and played in a bowl game. Really. And then Duke cancelled football which was for the best.

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05-15-2008, 06:49 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Dave, Forget Duke... But NC baseball is always in the top 5... in fact we have been top 2 in the last few years... Be well Brian

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05-15-2008, 06:51 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanHey Brian, sorry about Lawson, Green and Ellington (apparently they're all gone).

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05-15-2008, 08:11 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellWell as a true fan I am looking forward to the Braves Triple A team coming to the Atlanta area--yahoo. Jeff--if I told you how many houses I had you wouldn't believe it--actually don't get down to Alpharetta much but I hear its a nice place.

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05-15-2008, 08:22 PM

Posted By: Dave F LOL- Jim, you crack me up. You can't come across any more pompous than that last statement. Your a riot.

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05-15-2008, 08:24 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellHey--we are good ole boys from Alpharetta-ha ha.

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05-15-2008, 08:26 PM

Posted By: jeffdrumThe good 'ol boys are in Cumming and Woodstock. Uptowners are in Alpharetta!

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05-15-2008, 08:27 PM

Posted By: Dave FWhew. Good ol' boy'er. Grew up in Woodstock, then moved further north with the even bigger Good ol' boy'ers in Canton <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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05-15-2008, 08:27 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJeff, I think you're right. I like Cumming.

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05-15-2008, 08:28 PM

Posted By: Dave F Jim ol' buddy, your a nut.

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05-15-2008, 08:28 PM

Posted By: Dave FBut...your not the only rich nut. I think Ted Turner is right there with ya.

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05-15-2008, 08:30 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellDave, Not in that league. You will have to come over next time I am in Georgia.

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05-15-2008, 09:17 PM

Posted By: Hagar HendersonI don't understand the reference to PSA. Am I stupid or something?

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05-16-2008, 11:36 AM

Posted By: Marty OgelvieIt's nice to see so many folks on here near Atlanta.. I'm in Lilburn, Ga. martyOgelvie nyyankeecards.com