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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>Up against a stone wall once again.......<br />Three days ago I received a small payment for 2 cards thru paypal. They listed as "completed" in my account and I shipped the cards the next day. That evening I had an email from paypal that my funds for the transaction were being frozen due to a reversal by either the buyer or his bank. I was told there would get back to me regarding the transaction. Yesterday I received a note from paypal that the transaction was reversed and finished - I'm NOT getting paid - and that I had no recourse. Imagine if it had been one of the few bigger dollar transactions I do? They said "completed" and ready to be shipped! They froze the funds - have withdrawn them now - and the person has my cards without paying for them. I'm REALLY angry............

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>The reoccurring Paypal nightmare continues.<br /><br />I wish for once, I'd hear a story on where they back a seller.<br /><br />This crap is rediculous.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>I'm getting real fn sick of these paypal horror stories. I'm convinced. NO MORE PAYPAL.

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>given the myriad Paypal horror stories....I imagine at this point that everyone has fair warning. I only accept on sales anticipated at $40 or less.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>You being angry is as surprising as the Pope getting married.....I have known you quite a while and have never seen you angry. I share your frustration.....

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>This horror story goes along with yours (it's a few threads down):<br /><br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5g3z8m" target="_new"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5g3z8m</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5g3z8m</a</a>> <br /><br />That makes 2 Eric's getting burned by them.<br /><br />Edited: thanks for fixing my URL link. Appreciate it.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Same thing happened to Scott gaynor years ago and he warned me and I will NEVER take paypal as a seller. As a buyer, it is absolutely awesome! I feel better protected now then ever. As a seller, bend over and touch your ankles!

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Posted By: <b>Red</b><p>Paypal collects a fee for their service and should be responsible for the loss if you followed all their rules. If they allowed a scammer to register it's their fault not yours. They make it too easy for scammers to pull this hit and run. If you accepted a credit card directly from the person, or took a personal check or money order, you'd ship only if and when you felt comfortable with the transaction. If something didn't feel right you wouldn't do the deal. You pay Paypal to handle all that and then you're the one that gets shafted if anything goes wrong.

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>following paypal's rules exactly as described causes a much higher price in shipping because of tracking and signature requirements.<br /><br />then buyers complain about shipping fees.... how can anyone win this battle?

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Posted By: <b>Ed Hans</b><p>How many times must we get hit over the head with a tire iron before we stop dealing with those thieves?

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Posted By: <b>Matthew</b><p>I had an instance with paypal. they accualy froze my funds for a sale that i made. I inquired about it and they said it wasnt the buyer that put in a claim, but it was paypal. They said they look into random paypal transactions. Did anybody ever hear of this. thanks much

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Too many horror stories. Too bad too; they have a nice platform and offer a useful service, but the degree to which they screw over sellers is truly sickening. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Rob L</b><p>So I check my bank account today and notice that Paypal had withdrawn $299.00 today. I hadn't made a transaction with Paypal for a week now so I looked at my Paypal account. Man, what a mess over the last day. Here's how it went:<br /><br />Yesterday: withdraw $299 from my account and pay a lady named Lisa.<br />Today: A lady named Linda deposits $290.00 into my account. My account is hit for $ 8.71 transaction fee (leaving $281.29).<br />Today: paypal@flyguysdesigns.com charges my account $281.29. Flyguys then cancels the $281.29.<br />Today: West Network Asia pulls $281.29 from my account. This is when I saw what was going on and was able to reverse that account, so the $281.29 was still in my account.<br /><br />I contacted Paypal to start the Fraud Investigation. First, they make me resolve the issue with the "buyer" Linda by refunding the $290.00. Now they are trying to get my $299 back from the lady named Lisa. I will have to wait at least 10 days for me to get my $299 back. <br /><br />Scary stuff.<br><br>Rob L<br /><br /><a href="http://www.freewebs.com/loefflerrd/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.freewebs.com/loefflerrd/</a>

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>You can win this battle by accepting checks and money orders only.

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Posted By: <b>Denny Walsh</b><p>Orrr, Only Ship the item when the Funds Clear Your Bank Account! This Is what I do, I've been Burned TOOOO Many Times........<br /><br />Life's Grand,<br />Denny Walsh

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Only allow people you know and trust to pay you via Paypal. Insist on check or MO from everyone else. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Sorry this happened to you.<br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>I think this is on topic, but if you send a money order to someone and they say they never received it, is it possible to get your money back by filing a claim?<br /><br />Also, I would never send a check to someone I don't know, it's a free pass to your account information.<br /><br />-Alan

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>more paypal horror stories.<br /><br />as a buyer, paypal is great convenient and with assurance that you won't get robbed.<br /><br />as a seller, paypal sux....still convenient if you are ok giving paypal (ebay) a bigger % of your money and you also have assurance......that eventually you will get burned. <br /><br />they really need to fix this sort of thing. what would happen if visa or amex allowed this sort of caca to go on?

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Posted By: <b>Jim Dale</b><p>how many thousands if not millions of transactions are going down fine?<br /><br />If buyers have to send checks and money orders what recourse do they have when things go wrong? If I can't pay by paypal I'm inclined not to bid; and over 3k transactions I've never once reversed a paypal payment on anyone. Buyers need some protections too!

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>I haven't done business with them since $200 vanished from my PayPal account balance several years ago. Never should have left the money sitting there in the first place. When I emailed them, they said there was no record of the money ever being in the account and told me to email them a saved screenshot of my former balance as proof. Like somebody would be saving daily screenshots of their balance.....ridiculous. Closed my account that day and never looked back.

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Posted By: <b>Jantz</b><p>Sorry to hear about this. I hope all works out for you. I've had a few people in the past try to persuade me into using Paypal. I guess I'm just old fashion.<br /><br />Jantz

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Posted By: <b>Mark T</b><p>Ebay wants to restore trust....they have a long way to go baby. Check out this article.<br /><br /><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_hi_te/ebay_paypal_only_2" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_hi_te/ebay_paypal_only_2</a>

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>That would be quite interesting if it happens in the states.

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Posted By: <b>Mark T</b><p>if it works over there i see them trying it here.<br /><br />get this quote...<br /><br />"To make the PayPal rule possible, eBay has applied for — and automatically gets — immunity from Australia's anti-monopoly Trade Practices Act."

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Posted By: <b>brian</b><p>wouldn't the exclusion of all other reasonable payment options be a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act? Wouldn't eBay have to move their HQ offshore and file as a foreign entity to circumvent the Sherman Antitrust Act?

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Its not possible if you follow their rules to get hosed. Myust have been ur fault

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Posted By: <b>jim</b><p> <br /><br />&lt;&lt;I think this is on topic, but if you send a money order to someone and they say they never received it, is it possible to get your money back by filing a claim?<br /><br />Also, I would never send a check to someone I don't know, it's a free pass to your account information.<br /><br />-Alan&gt;&gt;<br /><br />If it's a postal money order you can go to the office where you purchased it, bring along the MO #, the date and the amount the money order was for. <br /><br />There is a number the clerk can call and have an immediate answer as to whether it was cashed or not. <br /><br />If it was cashed there is a form to fill out and they will send you a scan of the front and back of the money order showing you who cashed it and when. <br /><br />If it was not cashed there is a form to fill out and they will refund your money but not immediately. I'm not really sure how long it takes to get the refund/replacement. <br /><br />Both the form for copies and the form for replacement have a cost of around $5-6, it's been a while since I had somebody fill one out. Doesn't happen all that often. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>Jim, thanks for the info on the money order.<br /><br />-Alan

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Posted By: <b>Lou</b><p>I just had a situation where a m.o. got lost in the mail,I filled out the back and sent it in and they charge you 15.00 service fee to refund your money!<br /><br /><br /><br /> Lou

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Posted By: <b>Ken McMillan</b><p>with pals like this, you don't need enemas...........LOL

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Is about profits, nothing else. If they wanted real security on Ebay they could start by giving the boot to scammers, shillers, fake card artists, etc. A zero tolerance attitude with some actual proactive policing of the site would work wonders. Real security on paypal would require a buyer to prove a loss rather than simply presume it and rip the seller a new one until the seller clears his name. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>In case you missed this:<br /><br /><b><a href="http://dispatch.com/live/content/business/stories/2008/05/12/eBay_PayPal_0512.ART_ART_05-12-08_C8_S2A5O35.html?sid=101">eBay wants to force use of PayPal</a></b>

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Posted By: <b>Cy</b><p>If you want to check on a US Postal money order status, here is the phone number where you can check it yourself.<br /><br />US Postal Service Money Order Hotline<br />866 974 2733<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Cy