T206 Big 3

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Congrats to Heritage, looks like they are the only place to find all of the T206 "Big 3" in a single auction:<br /><br />WAGNER (beautiful back, LOL):<br /><br /><a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19032" target="_new" rel="nofollow">&lt;a href="<a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19032&lt;/a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19032&lt;/a</a>" target="_new" rel="nofollow"&gt;<a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19032&lt;/a</a>&gt" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19032&lt;/a</a>&gt</a>;<br /><br /><br />PLANK (much harder to find this auction season compared to last auction season . . . I think Plank prices are going to start moving up quickly):<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19027" target="_new" rel="nofollow">&lt;a href="<a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19027&lt;/a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19027&lt;/a</a>" target="_new" rel="nofollow"&gt;<a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19027&lt;/a</a>&gt" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19027&lt;/a</a>&gt</a>;<br /><br /><br />MAGIE:<br /><br /><a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19021" target="_new" rel="nofollow">&lt;a href="<a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19021&lt;/a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19021&lt;/a</a>" target="_new" rel="nofollow"&gt;<a href="http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19021&lt;/a</a>&gt" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://sports.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=9709&Lot_No=19021&lt;/a</a>&gt</a>;<br />

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Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>Have two Wagners ever "faced off" before at the same time in major auction houses before?<br /><br />Andrew

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>i think i remember there being 2 wagners in a robert edwards auction a few years back...or maybe it was 2 planks?

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>They also have the rare Sojourner Truth CDV (in the baseball card section?)

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>The biggest is the Doyle NY Nat'l.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...as the three Magie cards in REA. The VG 3 is already up to $16,000 without juice. Pretty exciting. <br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for my blog, interviews, articles, card galleries and more!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Have you ever seen a Wagner with a....Sweet Cap 150, Fac. 30 NY....back ?<br /><br />Check-out this Wagner, as it has this back....instead of the normal....Sweet Cap 150, Fac. 25 VA.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Here's an image of all three together:<br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1207936177.JPG"> <br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for my blog, interviews, articles, card galleries and more!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...the Plank and Magie were submitted to SGC together, and may have come from the same collection (unless they were submitted by Heritage or a dealer). The Wagner is from a different SGC submission.<br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for my blog, interviews, articles, card galleries and more!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I don't remember REA ever having two Wagners in the same auction, but I do remember two Planks. <br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>There were 3 Planks total up for auction last year if I remember -- the one that Paul got, an authentic one, and I think a PSA 1 that another board member bought.

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Posted By: <b>mark</b><p>vcp indicates FIVE sales last year!<br />both mastro (psa auth & sgc 10) AND rea (psa 1 & sgc 30) EACH had TWO in their april, 2007 auctions...<br />also, scp (psa 2) sept, 2007

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>These four were up against each other within a two day period. That was why I felt relatively comfortable mortgaging my T206 card collection for a Plank -- if they were every going to seem "easy" to get, it was that weekend. I was just hoping that enough people would be distracted by the Saturday night ending REA Planks to dissuade people from bidding too high on the Carter Plank I was going after. <br /><br /><br />2007 REA Planks<br /><br /><a href="http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2007/138.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2007/138.html</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2007/146.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/auction/2007/146.html</a><br /><br /><br />2007 Mastro Planks<br /><br /><a href="http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=70940" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=70940</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=70835" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.mastroauctions.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=70835</a><br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for my blog, interviews, articles, card galleries and more!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Scott B.</b><p><br />Just curious, do you regret getting your Carter Plank for $15k since you could have gotten the restored one for relatively the same price and re-sell it on ebay for $25k and pocketed $10k a yr after?<br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>My view is that a year ago, the market put the Carter Plank slightly ahead of the restored Plank. With the sale of the restored Plank for $10K more this year, it is hard to say how much the Carter Plank would sell at auction this year. I won't hazard to guess $25K, but I will say that I have received (and rejected) offers well above what I paid for it. The restored Plank was essentially a fixed price sale with one bidder going over $20,800 all the way to triggering the reserve at $24,600. <br /><br />I would also add that getting to talk with Lionel about his card and getting the letters from him about -- both featured on my website -- has been a lot of fun and made me appreciate the card that much more.<br /><br />Finally, like I have said in other posts, I actually think the restored Plank has gotten a number of bids from people who intend to carry out a fraud in the future. I said before and will say again, I do not think we will see that card in that holder again any time soon. This may "artificially" raise the price of the restored Plank, in my opinion. In the end, however, I do recognize a card is worth what someone will pay for it.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for my blog, interviews, articles, card galleries and more!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>One of the bigger dealers at the Ohio show today assured me that T206 prices were down 25% across the board (low/high grades, hofers, tough backs, etc.) in the last 3 months. Of course, he was trying to buy a PSA 4 Tolstoi Johnson from me at the time...

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>My feeling is that T206 were down at the end of 2007 and early 2008, but that they are picking up steam somewhat. I have been tracking SGC 60 commons and HOFers during this period and that has been my experience. I have also seen plenty of "V" shaped charts on VCP lately, supporting my theory.<br /><br />But when it comes to Wagner, Plank and Magie -- or that sweet Nagy Cobb backed Cobb -- the prices are all on the rise, even just in early bidding. How high will the VG 3 Magie go in REA? I also think the Heritage PSA 3 <br />Plank may top $50K. <br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for my blog, interviews, articles, card galleries and more!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>"One of the bigger dealers at the Ohio show today assured me that T206 prices were down 25% across the board (low/high grades, hofers, tough backs, etc.) in the last 3 months. Of course, he was trying to buy a PSA 4 Tolstoi Johnson from me at the time..."<br /><br />He'd have assured you that the moon was made of green cheese if he thought he could get your card for less money. I hope you told him "then don't buy it" and walked away. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>of course I did <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>I have been on a T206 buying spree over the past 2 or so months because prices have indeed been down. I do, however, think the down swing is over, as it is clear to me the prices are rising again (and I think will continue to rise in light of the 100 year anniversary next year . . . I know my view is a minority one, but I think I am still right). <br /><br />As to the truly rare T206s (Wagner, Plank, Magie), I think we will be in a good position to evaluate where Wagner and Magie stand after the end of this auction season, but an evalaution on Plank may have to wait until we see more on the market, maybe next year. I think the 24k "authentic" on eBay was far over-priced, and the one Heritage has is too nice to be a good indication as to the overall market prices for Planks . . . we need some 2008 pricing on PSA 1s and 2s or SGC 10, 20, or 30s, and there may well not be any until next year. I also do not view the recent eBay sale of a Magie PSA 1 for "best offer" of 14.5k as a valid indicator of Magie pricing. <br /><br />Edited to add: the best "deal" on T206s over the past few months has been PSA 3 HOFers. Take a look at PSA 2 pricing and then PSA 4 pricing to understand why. I don't mind sharing that info since I think I am done buying for a few months.<br /><br />Edited to add link to 14.5k "best offer" Magie PSA 1:<a href="http://tinyurl.com/3t2c3f" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3t2c3f</a><br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>And I'm not trying to "out" an auction, so please don't view this post that way, but am I the only one that recognizes the Magie PSA 1 currently in REA as having been in a different PSA holder (though same grade)? That artificially inflates the population reports, no?

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>"I think the 24k "authentic" on eBay was far over-priced"<br /><br />Looking at the bid history on the authentic Plank, I have doubts it was a true sale.

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Posted By: <b>mark</b><p>king-<br />upon review of the bidding, you are absolutely correct!<br />that "winning" bid of $24,699 was ALSO the reserve...<br />no feedback was ever recorded...

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>This is some of the bidding history for the authentic Plank, what about this suggests it is not legit? Didn't the winning bidder just put in a high bid and then eBay bumped it up to whatever the reserve price was (so it would trigger the reserve) so the person would win it?<br /><br /> bxsportscards( 193) US $24,699.00 Mar-31-08 17:57:34 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> bxsportscards( 193) US $23,000.00 Mar-31-08 17:56:44 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> i***d( 88) US $20,890.00 Mar-31-08 12:10:35 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> y***l( 1404) US $18,100.00 Mar-31-08 13:46:57 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> y***l( 1404) US $17,600.00 Mar-31-08 13:46:24 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> y***l( 1404) US $17,200.00 Mar-31-08 08:26:12 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> w***t( 18) US $17,000.00 Mar-30-08 00:47:08 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> y***l( 1404) US $17,000.00 Mar-31-08 08:25:16 PDT <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> w***t( 18) US $16,900.00 Mar-30-08 00:46:36 PDT <br />

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Posted By: <b>Joseph Shirley</b><p>There were more bids on the Ebay Plank than will show up on the record. Remember all snipes that were outbid would not be placed. I had a snipe in at $22,500. It never showed up on the bidding history, because I was outbid before the snipe was to go in.<br /><br />I have no reason to suspect that the sale was not legit at this time. It is still a bit early to expect feedback. Funds may not have cleared for shipping yet.<br /><br />One last note, if I had won the card, it would have been tucked away in my collection. When the time came to sell, I would have sold it the way I bought it. I would never have tried to sell it as something it wasn't, just as the ebay seller did. Too assume that someone will try to cheat a buyer, is looking at the glass half empty. Yes it can and does happen, but there are just as many honest people as cheats (probably more). One could have said after the Mastro sale, the card would show up next without any qualifier. It did not happen.

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Looks like it's the Magie sale that did not work out, as it recently got re-listed.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>No Ted, I didn't know Wagner which is a portrait, could be on a 350 back. Then again, I don't have a Wagner at all to compare it to. Dan.

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>Well, maybe it was legit after all then. If it is, I am shocked that 5 different individuals bid higher than the Mastro auction. That part doesn't seem to fit.<br /><br />FWIW, if it was me interested in a T206 Plank (and I am), I'd throw out all the numbers from that auction for fear there is something fishy going on. That's just me, I'm not throwing out any accusations against the bidders or the seller, but that's just the way I'd use the information - which is to say that I wouldn't use it at all when factoring in my bid for future Planks.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>DAN McKEE<br /><br />I found one in a Sept. 2000 Mastro Auction.....shown here....<br /><br />The "Sweet Cap 150/30 NY" back is very RARE on the Wagner card....most all of the Wagner's are Sweet Cap 150, Factory 25 VA<br />and some are Piedmont 150, Factory 25 VA.<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/at206wagnerfactory30.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>oh 150 factory 30, sorry I misunderstood you. You got me Ted, I don't look that closely. It's a Wagner, the back could say Dan sucks and I would still love to own it!

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Ted;<br /><br />Got your email late, he can be found with factory 30 as well. Here is another but yes factory 25 is much more common. <br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/30816a.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/30816b.jpg"><br /><br />Here I inverted the image to make it easier to see...<br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/30816b1.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p><object width="355" height="300"><param name="movie" value="http://togo.ebay.com/togo/togo.swf?2008013100" /><param name="flashvars" value="base=http://togo.ebay.com/togo/&lang=en-us&mode=normal&itemid=220223174293&query=magie%20t206" /><embed src="http://togo.ebay.com/togo/togo.swf?2008013100" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="355" height="300" flashvars="base=http://togo.ebay.com/togo/&lang=en-us&mode=normal&itemid=220223174293&query=magie%20t206"></embed></object><br /><br />With this auction, the three in REA and the one in Heritage -- that makes 5 all available this month. Reminds me of the 4 Planks listed in REA and Mastro last year. How many Magies are out there? Does this make anyone else think the universe for Magies is a bit larger than previously thought? <br /><br />---------------------------<br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>they tend to come up during the major auctions, or others that are just re-cycled back into the marketplace. There was perhaps 5-10 found in the past few years -- I think those are most prominently identified as the ones with scrapbook removal problems on the back, and slight discoloration areas on the front.<br /><br />M

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...pick the ebay Magie up on the BST for a bit of a bargain:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/376260/thread/1208173889/last-1208173889/T206+Magie+Error+Card+-+PSA+1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/376260/thread/1208173889/last-1208173889/T206+Magie+Error+Card+-+PSA+1</a><br /><br /><br /><br />_______<br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>DAN McKEE and JOHN W<br /><br />I searched through 24 of my old Auction catalogs and scanned several Wagner's on the the Internet.<br />The only Wagner with an..SC 150 Factory 30..back that I found was the one I posted above (Mastro Auction, 9/2000).<br /><br />The current Heritage auction Wagner is the 2nd one....and John, yours is only the 3rd one.<br /><br /> In my above stated search, I looked at 17 different T206 Wagner's, and here is the tally with respect to their backs.....<br /><br />12....Sweet Caporal 150, Fac. 25 VA<br /><br /> 2......Sweet Caporal 150, Fac. 30 NY<br /><br /> 3......Piedmont 150, Fac. 25 VA.....includes the "Gretzky" Wagner<br /><br /><br />So, I pose this question....does this tougher back on Wagner (or Plank) cards warrant a somewhat higher value ?<br /><br />Probably not....but, it's fun to speculate. <br /><br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Ted - if the current value of the Wagners had to do with rarity, then the rarer backs might carry a premium. But, as we know, the value of the Wagner is simply because it is "the card" and therefore I can't see any additional value based on the different backs.

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>I am amazed at how quickly Heritage's Wagner shot up.

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>adam nice avatar...i'm guessing you bought the memory lane's plank 20?

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Posted By: <b>Bill Heitman</b><p>I would have sworn that I saw a T206 Plank graded a NM7 (Restored) by PSA just a few days ago on one of the threads. Could someone please post that picture again?

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Positive feedback has now been left on the 25k "authentic" Plank sold recently on eBay, so looks like all was legit with that sale. Guess the current 50k price (with juice) on Heritage's Plank is sounding like not a bad deal now!

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Last year there were four Planks selling at the same time. That had to influence the market. This year there are four Magies. Since I got one of those four Planks I recognize my inherent bias, but my opinion is last year was the last relatvely sane year to get in on the Plank market. And, similarly, I predict this is the last relatively sane year to pick up your Magie. The VG 3 is already well on its way, but the 1 and the AUT are still relative bargains.<br /><br />I believe that where Wagner leads the way, Plank and Magie will ultimately follow. Though, historically, they used to be a lot closer even on a percentage basis.<br /><br />Good luck to the bidders!<br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Paul, you own a Plank?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>haha, Rob, you beat me to the punch...

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...if I've been talking about my Plank too much. <br /><br />I just want to be part of the dialogue regarding the REA and Heritage Auctions that end next week. I think they are very important to help determine the current interest in the T206 scarcities. 4 Magies, 2 Planks and a Wagner all in two days is pretty special. <br /><br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Rob and Mike..LOL<br /><br /><br />Yawn…this whole this was the right time to buy and now is not because it’s more expensive is really nothing more than self serving verbal therapy at its best. It may make the buyer feel better about his or her purchases but in the end all of these card prices are relative.<br /><br />What is a relative good deal or price to some may be an astronomical price to others, and what may be an outrageous price to me may in fact be a bargain to some folks. <br /><br />When it comes to the big 3 there have never been bargains or right times per say to buy these cards. At any given time during our hobby’s history these cards have carried a premium of some sort. True I long for the days of the first price guides we all do, who wouldn’t want to buy a Wagner for $25 and Cobbs for $5-10 but that goes for any collectible who wouldn’t go back and buy artwork , land etc.<br /><br />Let’s face it I know of a few folks who bought Wagner’s for 25k and Doyle’s for 18k back in the day late 80’s early 90’s. I was a teenager in those days even if I had one of those cards offered to me then even at those prices it would be the same has having one offered to me today for 500k. Even old school collectors passed on Wagner’s for a few $100 bucks why? Because they remembered when they were $20, and they thought to themselves the same thing we do….”boy that’s a lot of money!”<br /><br />The big 3 have never been cheap during each of their perspective times, it appears that way looking back today but in the end they have always been pricey, there has never been a deal on these cards! Perhaps in the future our kids will look at us and say…”Dad you had a chance to buy a Wagner in VGEX for 450k, were you out of your mind, do you know how much that card is worth today?”<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...glad you could make it.<br /><br />I was just reading the last few bars of your post and realize that's what I was trying to say. Thank you for saying it more eloquently than me.<br /><br />Do you remember our discussion about the value of the Frankenplank and Carter's Plank last April before REA and Mastro? You seemed quite keen on discussing the market for Planks a year ago with me, but this year it makes you "yawn"? (I'd post some of that discussion here, with your permission. I understand the rule against posting personal e-mails without permission.)<br /><br />I still find the discussion fascinating and hope to continue it here. If you'd rather sit this one out, I won't object.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Paul our discussion via email was brief and as such here’s the re-cap.<br /> <br />I mentioned via here I was going to make a run at one of the Planks last year as did you by selling all of your t206’s etc. we emailed each other and asked which one would each of us be going after. I in turn responded and said the psa 2 in REA and the AUTH restored in Mastro the very same card that sparked this thread and others etc. <br /><br />You said you wanted the Carter card, and I in turn said it was way too rough for me. You then went on to say the auth card was very nice and tempting, but you said it would drive you nuts because you would always be looking for where it was restored etc. Then you emailed me back and asked for an educated guess of what I thought they would go for, I made my guesses and you made yours. Then your card and my card went a bit higher than expected, you then emailed back and said guess we were both wrong etc. We then sadly parted ways happy that neither of us would be bidding each other up etc. Little did I know at the time you would go onto such T206 greatness, owning Carter’s Plank and a website/blog.<br /><br />It is interesting you bring this email discussion up now I was talking with Mike about this not long ago, you’ve changed your tune a bit since we last talked, you went from tempting to downright irresponsible for anyone to buy the Auth Plank my how times change.<br /><br />Does that about wrap up our conversation Paul?? <br /><br />Yes Paul at one time we briefly discussed Plank cards via email, I’ve also talked about hot chicks with Mike Sarno via email, but if Sarno posted the same chick pictures and talked about this one time at band camp each and every time we talked about hot girls I would turn gay, catch my drift?<br /><br />Frankenplank was the name I gave the card I even did a funny picture...I'm not having my names taken like Bill Heitman's I'll sue! LOL<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/junkforumimages/websize/untitledper20copy_1%20copy.jpg"><br /><br /><br />Lichtman I’ll be needing representation again same flat fee as usual two Cobb cards per hour? <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/smileys/143.gif">

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Yes--same as last time--but I'm not taking any more of those beaters you tried to pass off even if they do have a "Wonka Collection" provenance on the flips!

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>My Plank just arrived via FedEx this morning, so I am now officially in your club Paul --<br /><br /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s164/aamoniz/p1.jpg"><br /><br /><br />ps- Heritage Plank now at 53k w/ juice

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Nice pick-up, Adam.<br /><br />Keep us posted if you launch a new Web site.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...to remain civil in the face of such sarcasm, but here goes.<br /><br />Rob D.: I sent you an e-mail. In light of your two sarcastic posts about me, I would appreciate a response. Please let me know on here if you do not intend to respond.<br /><br />Wonka: My point was purely that it was interesting for some of us to discuss Planks last year and it is again interesting for us (okay, maybe just me and Adam) to discuss Planks this year. If you'd rather Adam and I keep it to personal e-mails, that's fair. But I hardly think it's off topic. <br /><br />Saying "Yawn" is just rude. Saying it twice is also plain rude. Can you see where I am coming from?<br /><br />Last time we went back and forth on a thread, I am sure you anihilated me with your scintillating sarcasm, beautiful prose and expert photo shopping, but I thought we agreed to just mutually dislike each other and move on. I would prefer to carry that mutual dislike into a productive e-mail exchange. If you'd rather not bother, then please leave me alone on here. Thanks.<br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Adam, that's a beautiful Plank. Congrats.

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Thanks, I am thinking of taking a T206 common and carefully removing the "fibers" from that card and then rebuilding the corners of my Plank so I can sell it for a fortune. It'll be my weekend project. lol

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />I think you got that Plank for a steal. Do you have scans of your new-found Magie to post? I haven't seen it. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>This is the Magie I recently bought, it came in early this week. It's the 3rd Magie I have owned.<br /><br /> <img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s164/aamoniz/m1-1.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>That is a beautiful Magie. Do you have any aspirations of ever owning a Wagner?<br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>I have never had a desire to own a Wagner. I am not quite sure why . . . it's just never been a card I wanted (and it still isn't).

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Adam- That's an interesting statement from someone who just conquered Plank and Magie in the past month. But I think I see what you mean. It is kind of like Wonka said earlier: Wagner has always been at a price point above all reasonable likelihood of purchase for me. I used to think I would sell my T206 set one day -- an all SGC 60 set was once the goal -- and then be able to afford Ole Honus. But I "settled" for dumpin most of my SGC 40ish average set in order to just get a Plank, Magie and some signed cards. <br /><br />But given where Wagner Beckett 1's appear headed, I'm pretty sure the sum total of any collection I amass in this lifetime won't be trade-upable for one. But I don't lose sleep over it either.<br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rick McQuillan</b><p>Paul, not all of us are yawning during this thread. I find it fascinating and educational and the topic is a refreshing change from some of the threads that have come up recently.<br /><br />The links and scans are very helpful.<br /><br />Thanks much!<br /><br />Rick<br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...for the supportive comments. <br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Adam amazing cards! Congrats that Plank looks really sharp for the grade so does the Magie, both cards have very nice eye appeal.<br /><br />Rick don’t get me wrong, I love talking T206's especially the big 3. It just gets a bit old for some of us when we have to hear a re-cap of the past years same auction over and over and over from Paul. Were all very happy for him and his decision to buy the card...I think some of us are ready for the next topic doesn't circle back to Paul and how smart he is for buying the Plank that’s all.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />John<br />

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Rick,<br /><br />Like John, I've enjoyed this thread and in fact prefer ones like this more than, say, "What's (player's name) rookie card?" -- although I certainly can see the need for those, too. Just not my cup of tea, that's all.<br /><br />As for the seemingly monthly recaps of how Lionel Carter's Plank changed hands last year, the first time I read of Paul's acquisition, I was truly happy for him that he had landed a card he obviously wanted very much -- especially when it took the sacrificing of a major part of his collection.<br /><br />I'd say the second and third times I read of how the Plank was acquired, and the decision-making process that was involved and how, when you consider all things, it really was a very shrewd move, I thought, "Wow, this truly was a big moment in a collector's life."<br /><br />After the fifth time I simply found these rehashes tiresome. Maybe I'm in the minority. If so, that's fine. But I'm just of the opinion that any time a discussion of the Big 3 pops up, contributing to the discussion doesn't always have to be preceded by "When I decided to try to acquire Lionel Carter's Plank ..."<br /><br />Again, maybe I'm wrong.<br /><br />Paul,<br /><br />Your e-mail to me stated: "Why your post?" I assumed it was a rhetorical question, that surely you'd understand my meaning (which apparently you did), so I didn't respond. If you'd really like a reply, I suppose I could e-mail you this response so you'd have duplicate copies.<br /><br />Because I don't want to push you further to the brink of uncivilized behavior, I'll lay off the sarcasm. You've no doubt suffered enough. (Dang it, that's the last time. Promise.)<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Story in reverse......after many years of putting together a 521 card T206 set. I sold my Vg MAGIE<br /> for 2000....back in 1997....because I wanted to start a 2nd T206 set. And, that 2000 bought me a<br />lot of T206's back then. So, I completed a 520 card set. Then I broke-up that 2nd set to complete<br /> a 519 card all-PIEDMONT set. Then I started and completed a 409 card all-SOVEREIGN set.<br /><br />Perhaps, my thinking is "weird", but I'd rather experience the continuous enjoyment of having 521, or<br /> 520, or 519, or 409 cards from a set....than just one, two, or three cards (forget the Doyle....6 exist,<br /> and I don't think we'll see another one).<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ted, your experience is very typical of one way of thought. Unfortunately, I go back and forth between wanting full sets and then wanting certain player cards only. Very very hard to keep a singular focus the whole way through a collecting life. I only wish I could maintain focus without switching -- would save me a lot of money.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Well, my primary goal in this hobby has always been to complete sets....I guess it's an obsession<br /> with me. And, this was the mindset with most collectors back in the 1970's thru the 1980's. But,<br /> like you, I also go after "type" players. As a kid, reading books on the NY Highlanders, I was im-<br />pressed with Mr Chase. So, I had to have a type set of his cards.<br /><br />In 1949 when Johnny Lindell hit the game, and Pennant winning HR (vs the Red Sox), I had to have<br /> all his BB cards. <br /><br />And, so on and so forth.....OK, why do you favor Mr Chase ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...with you Ted. I'd much rather have the 521 than just a few cards, and I will be headed back up that mountain ...eventually.<br /><br />There are a lot of repeat stories on here. If I had a nickel for every time I wrote "professional grading is like a pyramid," I'd have enough for a cup of really good coffee. The Plank and my efforts to acquire it define everything about my unsigned collection, at least currently. Unfortunately for the regulars, most of the time that I relate to a thread about the Big 3 or 4, or strategies for collecting sets, it comes up. I am genuinely not trying to brag about it, but I am quite proud of it -- a fine line, I suppose. <br /><br />I do want to mention also that I started my website shortly after I had my article on signed T206 cards significantly edited by Old Cardboard magazine. Rather than publish it in a way that I didn't really like, I decided to just post it on my website. Everything else just grew from that concept. <br /><br />I think most of the negativism toward my website -- and perhaps by extension me -- arises from a discussion of a signed T206 Walter Johnson card that an ebay seller wanted to have shown on my website as a condition of an off-ebay sale. Obviously it's just a collector site, but I think some people took exception to the way that sale went down (or rather didn't go down) and to the notion that a posting on my meager website could possibly motivate a seller to sell a card of that magnitude. I didn't make the story up, but it caused some LMFAOs among the usual suspects. <br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ahh Ted...I wish I had a rational answer for my attraction to Chase. Such a fascinating story, a common criminal in a baseball era filled with criminals -- yet he was the worst. His story is so incredible it would almost appear as if it were made up out of whole cloth. And a guy thought of as one of the greatest players of his era -- who received more Hall of Fame votes for the first class in 1936 than John McGraw, Mordecai Brown, Bill Terry, Frank Chance, Johnny Evers, Sam Crawford and Frank Baker. And one less than Lefty Grove. And in his second year of eligibility for the HOF his vote total increased as was typical. His third year of eligiblity? Received zero votes! Yet he remains virtually unknown to the average baseball fan today. His story just fascinates me endlessly. And his cards are a bit cheaper than Cobb's. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Scott B.</b><p>Adam, nice Plank and Magie!! I love them.<br /><br />Do you mind to tell us where did u buy them from? and their prices?<br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Scott, Feel free to email me privately at aamoniz@yahoo.com and I will be glad to answer your first question.

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>My PSA 1 Magie is still available for $10K

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>LOL

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>"...Unfortunately, I go back and forth between wanting full sets and then wanting certain player cards only. Very very hard to keep a singular focus the whole way through a collecting life. I only wish I could maintain focus without switching..."<br /><br />Jeff- i couldn't agree more...this is the big question that i toil with non-stop...<br /><br />quantity vs. quality...set building vs. "the 25 card collection"...or simply players i like (like you with cobb & chase)...<br /><br />so, i'm not sure what the right answer is for me...for the time being, i think it's a handful of high-quality pieces...<br /><br />but i'm sure that will change once again. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /> <br /><br /> dinner/drinks mon or tues?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Monday or Tuesday is fine with me, but we don't have much of a group put together.

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Wow on the Heritage Plank and Magie, I did not think they would climb at the last minute, but they just did.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>The Magie is very nice for the condition -- I think I spot a bit of paper loss on the reverse, but otherwise a very clean card. Given that the VG 3 in REA is up to $17K (w/o juice), a SGC 30 hitting $10K (w/o juice) isn't that surprising to me. The lower grade Magies in REA are not moving up nearly as quickly (or even at all over the past week or so).<br /><br />But $60K for a VG 3 Plank is a pretty big jump for that card over the past year or so. It will be interesting to see where it winds up over the coming hours. <br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>WOW, 77k on the Plank. Wow.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>I think the Plank is being valued much higher than a 3; it's just about the nicest 3 I've ever seen as the image is perfect and uncreased or damaged in any way.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...that the card is being valued as a really clean example of an SGC 40 card, but I would like to add that every single SGC 40 card I have ever owned with corners like that had a wrinkle somewhere. SGC does not go to 40 on a T206 card with corners like that unless there is another imperfection. <br /><br />Frankly, if they did go to 40 that time, it would be a no brainer to have it regraded. But, obviously, SGC took its time grading a T206 Plank. <br /><br />In short, I think there's a wrinkle. Or perhaps a spot of paper loss on a non-text portion of the back. <br /><br />In any event, beautiful card -- $77K! Wow!<br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>Top right corner on front is a bit rough and looks like there may be a bit of paper loss on the "s" at the end of "cigarettes" on the back. I think 3 is the right grade. It's certainly a nice 3 though. Great card for whoever grabs it (hope it's someone on the board).

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>I agree with Adam. I have a bunch of SGC 50 T206s, and none of them have corners that bad. Of course, it is still a fantastic card with great eye-appeal...but that price is an eye-opener!

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p>227k for the Heritage Wagner. Amazing.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>The Plank has paper loss on the back in the upper right. Still a very attractive card.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...it didn't have the paper loss on reverse.<br /><br />Here's a couple of rough cornered SGC cards with higher grades for being clean otherwise. I will say that I do think the Schreck is a weak 60.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1209815672.JPG"> <br /><br /><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/pmifsud3d/SGCGradedCards/photo#5083349535689216162"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/pmifsud3d/RouveE_nEKI/AAAAAAAAAjs/cyYq4DYn-Ko/s800/Bender%20Portrait%20SGC%2050.JPG" /></a><br /><br /><br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> this month as we count down 4 Magies, 2 Wagners and a Plank!<br />

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>That Plank is gorgeous, but I think it is a high-end 3, even without the back paper loss. The upper right corner is too rough for a 4 in my opinion. <br /><br />Paul,<br />Please don't take this the wrong way, but I think your Schreck is overgraded. Should be 50 IMHO. I could post scans of some of my cards in SGC 50 holders that should be 84s on that scale.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jim, I think by traditional grading standards the Plank is a 3, agreed, due to the corners and, of course, the paper loss. But rarely does one find a 3 that has the image of the player as clear or bright as that Plank does. My point is that I don't think the price that was paid for the Plank last night should at all be used as a touchstone for the next Plank 3 -- which could have a crease running through the face. Just like there are 1s that are really .2s, that Plank 3 was more like a 3.8.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Jeff,<br />I agree. Based on eye-appeal, the card is stunning. I would love to own it! Looks like Wagners and Planks both went up in value this week.<br />JimB