T206 Mullaney - EPDG / Piedmont / Brown Old Mill

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>I know most of us have seen this card before, but I just noticed the Brown Old Mill portion of the back tonight when someone emailed me about the card. It sure is cool!<br /><br /><img src="http://t206.org/misc/t206mystery.jpg"><br><br> <br /> <br /> <br />---<br />"There ain't much to being a ballplayer, if you're a ballplayer."<br />-Honus Wagner

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>this is cool...do you own it?

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>I don't, and I'm not sure of who the owner is. I snapped this scan up some time ago.<br><br> <br /> <br /> <br />---<br />"There ain't much to being a ballplayer, if you're a ballplayer."<br />-Honus Wagner

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Let's see, this very interesting card has Mullaney and the CYoung (portrait) image.<br /><br /> And, a Piedmont 350 back....EPDG back....and an inverted Southern League Old Mill back printed in Brown ink.<br />Since this card was (by design) a Southern Leaguer printed during the Piedmont 350 run, an EPDG back on it is<br />not unusual. However, an Old Mill (So. Lge....any color) is very unusual....as, the Old Mill's on Southern League <br />cards were printed during the 150 Series production.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Hi Ted,<br /><br />I believe Old Mill Southern was contemporaneous with the 350 print run. The six Texas leaguers who are unavailable with the very early Brown Hindu back are possible with Old Mill Southern. Also, there are Old Mill newspaper advertisements dating to March 1910 (in the midst of the 350 print run) that show southern leaguers coming out of Old Mill packs. Therefore, I think the Old Mill/EPDG/Pied 350 printing on the back of the Mullaney printer's scrap is entirely consistent.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>That has a taste of the killer rare BROWN Old Mill! Way cool as I own 2 of them and they are insanely tough!!!!

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Posted By: <b>T E</b><p>Hi guys, this card was my introduction to this board a few years ago.<br /><br />In about 1973 or 1972, that time frame, I walked into a nostalgia shop (must have been one of the first of its kind) on Ascan Avenue in Forest Hills, Queens called Little Nemo's. The owner had a shoebox with about 180 T206s in it. He sold them to me for the lofty sum of $15. This card was one of them.<br /><br />Fast forward about 8 years, now I am living alone in Manhattan. My apartment was burglarized. I had my t206s in a case, in three stacks. The crooks took two of the stacks, left the third. This card was in the stack they left.<br /><br />I often gazed at this card wondering who that ghost image was. I had heard that error cards were worthless, so I didn't pursue it. I am not a t206 collector, and I started selling off my cards on ebay a couple of years ago under my ID of easthamptonauctions (my ID was hoofaway back then) <br /><br />Then about two years ago Leland's auctioned off a card with a Piedmont double overstrike. It went for maybe $1500, that neighborhood. I thought, well, damn, I got something that sure beats that! I was directed to this board from the ebay Sports Mem. board. I posted an image of it and quite a wonderful thread grew out of it.<br /><br />Today I just came here to annouce on the ebay sell board that I am selling the few remaining cards, all except this one, the ones I had kept for sentimental reason, Cobb, Lajoie, etc, when I saw this thread. There's my guy!<br /><br />Note, by the way, the left edge is miscut slightly. I am finally going to send this guy out to have him authenticated by PSA, they have a $60 two day plan, and then I guess I'll offer him for sale. I am going to ask a ridiculous price, so he probably won't sell, which is fine with me, some memories are worth keeping.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>"...and then I guess I'll offer him for sale." <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />Hoof- <br /><br />great story...<br /><br />let us know when you are selling it...<br /><br />MANY of us would be interested...<br /><br />Michael Sarno

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Posted By: <b>johnny</b><p>hoof...<br /><br /><br />would like to know when u are listing this card...thanks for asking also mike....<br /><br />johnny

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Once in a while I read somewhere, or hear someone talk about how the white border cards were printed at the cigarette factories. I've always thought that was wrong, that American Lithography printed all of the cards and shipped them to the factory. Someone here explained to me how JB Duke bought American Litho about the time of these cards.<br /><br />Surely this card would prove that the white border tobacco cards weren't printed at the cigarette factories.<br /><br />Frank.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>You are absolutely correct......if this card doesn't prove that T206's were all printed in the same facility,<br /> then nothing will.<br /><br />James Buchanan Duke (American Tobacco Company) and Joseph Palmer Knapp (who formed the American<br /> Lithographic Co. in NYC) were very close friends and business associates. Therefore, I think we can safely<br /> assume that Am. Litho. not only printed all the T206's......but, most of the BB T-cards, and most of the<br />Premiums (Flags, Military men, Movie Stars, etc.) that were inserted in tobacco packs from 1900-1916.<br /><br />The American Lithographic Co. was situated in a 13-story building (built in 1895) at 230 Park Ave South<br /> in NYC. And, this building still stands at this site in NYC with the "American Lithographic Co." name above<br /> its entrance.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>"The American Lithographic Co. was situated in a 13-story building (built in 1895) at 230 Park Ave South in NYC. And, this<br />building still stands at this site in NYC with the "American Lithographic Co." name above it's entrance."<br /><br />Joe D, Jeff L, Barry, Wonka and myself, plan to have our next dinner right next stroe to this building...<br /><br />after dinner, we are going to pull black sky-masks down over our heads, and rush in their (like in the movie HEAT), run into the vaults and grab all of the "extra" T-cards that we can find...<br /><br />our luck is that when we'd get to the hide-away hotel, we'd zip open our bags and realize that we get a stack of fresh fish & flag cards...see we wouldv'e accidently chosen the vault to the left...the one to the right, is were they house the 275 mint examples of the wagner that was pulled (they had never destoyed them)...there they sat, preserved for 100 years...<br /><br />well, it's fun to daydream a bit...<br /><br />but when i get a chance, i promise i'll visit the building and do some "poking-around"<br /><br />MS<br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>think he's in the money.....<br /><br />when he finds 275 mint Honus'<br /><br />but very soon, woe is he......<br /><br />when these Wagner's "flood" us<br /> <br />and prices fall to 23.....<br /><br />thousand, that is.<br /><br /><br />But, Mike cheer-up, you still will make $6,375,000. And, a whole bunch of us will have<br /> finally completed our T206 sets.<br /><br />Hey Mike, can you sell me one for $15K ?<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I believe the interior of the American Litho Building has been gutted and redone. Here's an interesting site on the building and some related things.<br /><br /><a href="http://spoonercentral.com/2005/ALCO.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://spoonercentral.com/2005/ALCO.html</a>

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Ted- i would certainly share the wealth... <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />all kidding aside, and in all honestly, my excitement/joy would simply be to stand in the same building where the cards were printed...would be amazing to see film footage of them printing sheet after sheet, occasionally throwing a few "printer's scraps" in a bucket.<br /><br />wish i was alive then to see it all happen...and i'm not talking about trying to make money...i'm a collector at heart, and i love these cards.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>You cannot go back 99 years. It wouldn't be the same, unless, by some time warp, you could have the same perspective<br /> of these cards as you have now.<br /><br />Producing these cards to those printers back then was most likely a tedious job, just like any job is nowadays.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>T E</b><p>and on its way home from PSA. Authentic- Multiple Overstrikes is what they labeled it as, as I recall their email said. They took several days extra with it (I paid for super-express), called me up, told me they would issue credit for the delay, they were confering with several experts to decide how to label it. I said no problem, take your time. Service was excellent, I know there is a debate between SGC and PSA with most favoring SGC for this kind of card, but I was quite happy with the service I received.<br /><br /> When I get the card back I'll post the images.

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Sounds great, looking forward to the pics. Super cool card, keep us posted if you're still in the mindset of selling.<br /><br />John