No return on graded cards...

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Ok so why do sellers bother to list this in an ebay auction.<br />Assuming they take paypal they will have to take the card back for any reason teh buyer wants.<br /><br />Has anyone had a buyer try to return a graded card through paypal before?<br /><br />I am curious how it all went down.<br /><br />I recently had someone return a card and I just took it back since I knew paypal would side with the buyer. I figured the sooner I get it back the sooner I can try to sell it again.<br /><br />Thoughts..<br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>i find most sellers who put that in their auction are selling cards graded by the less reputable grading services like pro and csa. i know if i bought a csa 7 card and measured it to find it had been trimmed i would want to return it even though it is technically graded and authenticated by a third party. if its an sgc or psa card though i dont see why someone would want to send it back.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>I wasn't aware that Paypal allows a buyer to return an item for no reason whatsoever. That opens a whole world of questions. How long does a buyer have to return an item? How does that work with event tickets? What if the buyer states different terms in his listing, such as a restocking fee?

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I am with Matt on this and almost everything he states about anything for that matter. I think a buyer needs a good reason and then must prove it. I returned a T206 that the seller was very honest but took a bad picture making the card look like a rare color variation. He wouldn't take it back so I filed a paypal claim. I had to show pictures orf the common version and explain why this was not as it seemed to get refunded. Dan.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p><i>i find most sellers who put that in their auction are selling cards graded by the less reputable grading services like pro and csa.</i><br /><br />There are many extremely reputable sellers on eBay who sell only PSA and SGC graded cards who have this disclaimer in their auctions.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>so.... if I sell a graded card - I put that disclaimer in.<br /><br /><br />I think with a proper description, scans of the card, and a third party grading opinion (SGC or PSA) -<br />a return is just unfair.<br /><br /><br />If you are not sure you want the item (after the description / scans / and third-party grading opinion) - don't bid.<br /><br /><br />Thats my opinion. I know it potentially means fewer bidders and lower final prices.... but I don't want to deal with people who have buyer's remorse or are trying to scam me.

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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>With the amount of comments on this board alone like "How does this card grade only a ... " and "Can you believe this received a ..." I don't blame sellers at all for using this disclaimer. If they didn't, then I imagine whenever a buyer bought a PSA 5 or SGC 60 card that he thought was overgraded, he'd expect the seller to take it back.<br /><br />That being said, if a seller is going to use that disclaimer, I think he owes it to perspective buyers to provide large scans so that bidders can use their own judgement.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>In my experience you can say just about anything and paypal will force the seller to take the item back.<br /><br />I mean really would it be that hard to come up with something like, oh the card has a mark or the case is scratched etc.<br /><br />The not as described is very vague at best.<br /><br />That being said so far it doesn't seem like anyone here has had to deal with this.<br /><br />However my main point is that even with the disclaimer, paypal can over rule it with ease.<br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>"However my main point is that even with the disclaimer, paypal can over rule it with ease."<br /><br /><br />I doubt it. <br /><br />I believe it would be difficult to argue for a return with a 'no returns' policy on an item.<br />And it would be easy to argue why a return is not allowed.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />edit: spelling

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>sometimes a seller only provides a scan of the front of a graded card and not the back. i know if i bought a card that was graded say a 40 by sgc that looked beautiful from the front scans and then i received it and found that the back was all inked up i'd want to return it. so i agree that if a seller is going to put this disclaimer on their auctions they should provide large and detailed scans of the front and back of the card.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Addie - in that case you could send the card SGC and get reimbursed.

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Posted By: <b>Cashews</b><p>addie is my nephew, i've seen cards with ink on the back that have received 40s by sgc so i dont think they would do anything about it. a grade is a grade. i just mean that if i bid on a card i didnt think had any marks on it and then find that it does id like a refund even if its graded.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Joe are you kidding me?<br /><br />Have you dealt with paypal as the seller of an item.<br /><br />I never ever hear a selling winning and unless you pay with a credit card paypal has the final word and there is nothing you can do about it.<br /><br />"I doubt it. <br /><br />I believe it would be difficult to argue for a return with a 'no returns' policy on an item.<br />And it would be easy to argue why a return is not allowed."<br /><br />So IMO any return policy you state becomes void via paypal rules and logic.<br /><br />I can put I don't accept returns on any listing I want but that won't prevent people from putting in a paypal claim, sending the item back and getting the money they paid.<br /><br />This is one of the major problems with paypal, no seller protection.<br /><br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.