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03-30-2008, 12:55 AM
Posted By: <b>Jerry Rucker</b><p>Found this card at a small card show today. Anybody ever seen one with this stamp before. <br /><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/flipper3.jpg" width="417" height="517">&lt;/p&gt;<br /><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/ruckers/variouscommons/flipper4.jpg" width="608" height="480">&lt;/p&gt;

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03-30-2008, 01:49 AM
Posted By: <b>Addie_Joss</b><p>I've actually seen a few cards like that before and I think I remember them all being commons like that one. I wonder if they were handed out at stores and mass produced or if they were only made in limited printings for store owners to put on display or choose to buy.

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03-30-2008, 01:58 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>Though I don't have access to it right now, I have a Freddy Fitzsimmons with a similar, if not exact sample back. Will check.

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03-30-2008, 01:58 AM
Posted By: <b>Anthony N.</b><p>When I was a kid there was a card store in Hollywood, Adco Sports Exchange. I believe it might have been the first store anywhere. Goody had a seemingly endless supply of '39 Dimaggio's and Greenbergs, all of them with the sample card overprint.<br />I think they only occur in the low series. I've got a few in my set, they seem to come up fairly regularly and I haven't noticed any premium attached to them.

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03-30-2008, 01:59 AM
Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>The 2008 SCD indicates the commons sell for about double the regular card, and the Williams and Dimaggio's sell for about the same as the regular cards.<br /><br />-Alan

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03-30-2008, 09:19 AM
Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p><font color=blue>Anthony is right. They only occur in the lower numbers. They were salesman's samples that they handed out to stores that sold candy in an effort to get them to stock the cards. Because they were from the initial print run, they also will only come with the name on the back in all capital letters. They do have a slight premium, although DiMaggio and Williams usually do not. </font><br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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03-30-2008, 11:53 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>Here are my two highest numbered sampled backs. Like Anthony's, also obtained from Goody at ADCO. The Standard Cat. says sample backs occur through the first 115 cards (of 161 total issue in the set).<br /><br /><a href="http://s190.photobucket.com/albums/z26/pspec/?action=view&current=Play_Ball_39_Waner_Cramer_smpbk.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z26/pspec/Play_Ball_39_Waner_Cramer_smpbk.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a><br />

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03-30-2008, 08:24 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony N.</b><p>I can't see paying any premium for overprints like this, as it would be so easy to fake. Things like "free sample card" "Oh you fan" "oppie dildocks" are even easier to create than blank backs and Shappe/Toront/etc errors.

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03-31-2008, 10:16 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Anthony- you say that the E94 overprints can be faked easily. That must be why we see so many of them, right? I also think provenance is a good thing with these.....I know where every one of my 10 came from and the history of each. Eight of them have at least 20 yr provenance.... Good thought....but moot. As for the Playball overprints....They add no value so I am sure they are highly faked too.....sheesh..... best regards

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03-31-2008, 10:51 AM
Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>I as well got many Playball's from Goody and as I recall they all had the overprint backs.<br /><br />Makes me wonder if this was a West Coast special that was done?

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03-31-2008, 11:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Anthony N.</b><p>Leon- I do think they would be easy to fake. It doesn't seem like the type would be tough to spec, and they were just stamped on as I understand it. I"m glad that it hasn't been the case, but if I was pursuing them (especially the E94's) I would do as you did and be very, very sure of the provenance.<br /><br />edited to add my name.

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03-31-2008, 11:29 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I am not saying they wouldn't be easy to forge. I guess they would. Eight of mine that I own are pictured in Lipset's encyclopedia which I believe was put out in about 1984 (last edition). Back then I think these went for a premium of about $10 ea., so there was no motive. My 9th one I got from Tom Boblitt and he got it from a guy who had no idea at the National...and my last one came from David B, he got it from a Mastro auction and I don't think it was even mentioned that there was an overprint on it.......this was several years ago and the values weren't what they are today. As we get farther into the hobby I think provenance of cards will play more of a role in determining value. It's safe to say that many collectors will pay a little extra for an item with good provenance. I know I will. take care now....

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03-31-2008, 01:02 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>A west coast special may be the case. However, Goldfaden did business countrywide (and even worldwide), albeit a lot more so with his sports book business. I understand he went to card shows, but I always got mine in his store. If you ever made it as far back in his cluttered store to that "cage" he worked in, he was mostly doing long distance business correspondence all the time. I guess we'll never know.

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04-01-2008, 08:26 AM
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>they could be easily faked. I don't just think a stamp with a stamp pad stamping on the back of these cards would do the trick. If you've used a stamp pad before, the ink quality isn't consistent across all areas. Just isn't. These overprint Play Balls were printed in sheets used for advertising I'm sure. I've had probably a couple dozen of them over the years. May have a couple laying around right now. Not sure. Like has been previously said, the normal Play Balls aren't really THAT valuable and these might add a little premium to the normal price. I guess I can see someone MAYBE faking a DiMaggio but to what.....gain a couple hundred bucks? Or maybe ruin a good DiMaggio. Not like an E94 overprint back where the value goes up 20X or some multiplier like that. Plus the backs of the 39 PB's are REALLY porous paper and I bet if you used a normal stamp it would really bleed into the paper.

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04-01-2008, 08:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I just read a pretty good article about Goody and he was adept at picking up large lots of salvage or overstock product (like 1964 Topps Giants or Volpe Portraits to cite the article). He likely ended up with a case or more of the Play Ball salesman samples as he dealt (and still deals) in bulk for the most part. As stated previously, they are not hard to find but I think they make a nice companion piece.