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03-13-2008, 09:27 AM
Posted By: <b>Phil</b><p>I have a few T206s currently housed in PSA holders that I want to crossover to SGC. I have been holding off because I have a question hopefully someone here can answer.<br /><br />Let's say I have a T206 George Brown, Washington card at a PSA4. I want to cross it over to SGC, but I want it to grade at the same level at SGC which would be a SGC50.<br /><br />The question is, does SGC grade the card before they take it out of the PSA holder? The reason is, that if SGC is going to give it a lower grade, I would rather keep it as a PSA4 obviously.<br /><br />Do they break it out first before they grade it?<br /><br />Thanks.

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03-13-2008, 09:28 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Phil - you can specify that you want the minimum grade to be a 50. In such a case, SGC will only crack it out if they are certain it will go into an SGC 50 (or above) slab.

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03-13-2008, 09:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Phil</b><p>Thanks. That was quick.

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03-13-2008, 09:36 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Happy to help. One caveat (which doesn't impact the case above) - SGC will not accept a minimum grade requirement ABOVE the current grade. e.g. a minimum grade of an SGC 80 on a PSA 4. (I'm not sure why they don't since they're making the grading fee either way, but that's the rule).

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03-13-2008, 09:50 AM
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Two of my best cards in my collection were PSA 4s that crossed to SGC 60s without my cracking them out of the holder. <br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for my blog, interviews, articles, card galleries and more!<br /><br />

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03-13-2008, 10:21 AM
Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>One other detail - SGC will only "crossover" cards that are valued at less than $500. However, they will usually let you still send it in the slab with a minimum grade request as long as you pay the regular grading fee for the card based on its value (which will obviously be more than the $7 crossover fee).

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03-13-2008, 10:25 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>They have been known to waive the $500 maximum value so long as you consult with Michael first. As they explained it - they want to switch as many high end cards into SGC slabs as they can.

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03-13-2008, 10:29 AM
Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>What if SGC, after inspecting the slabbed card, decides that the PSA 4 is worthy of crossing over to SGC 50 or higher. So they crack the card out, and notice there is a wrinkle that wasn't evident when the card was slabbed but is now evident under close scrutiny. What then?<br /><br />

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03-13-2008, 10:33 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Rob - I believe in such a case they work with the card owner to an amicable agreement.

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03-13-2008, 10:39 AM
Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>That's one reason they cap it at $500 for corssovers, I believe, becuase they want to limit the number of possible instances where they think a $5,000 card will crossover at a minimum grade, then crack the card out, only to then discover an alteration that they couldn't detect while the card was incased. <br /><br />Because once they crack the card out, they are essentially altering your asset, and could then be liable for the property if they aren't willing to restore the value with a numerical grade.<br /><br />That is how I understand it, anyway. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong.<br /><br />This is why I don't collect any card worth more than $500.<br />...-that and the restrictive size of my wallet.<br />...and the restrictive powers of the wife. Just kidding, dear! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />

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03-13-2008, 10:47 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>IIRC,during last month's promotion, they took cross-overs with no limit.

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03-13-2008, 11:07 AM
Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>I think the $7.00 crossover fee is for cards valued under $500.00. If I remember correctly, the fee was $10.00 for cards over $500.00. I have 35 crossing over from PSA to SGC at the moment. The crossover special ran for two months, I'm not sure if they are currently offering it.

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03-13-2008, 11:25 AM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>I recently crossed almost 50 cards over from PSA holders to SGC and never had one instance where the SGC graders thought a card would cross at a certain grade and then upon cracking it out of the holder, changed their opinion. You are safe crossing over large collections with these guys IMHO.

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03-13-2008, 12:47 PM
Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>I have an order in now with SGC for raw, crossovers, reholders, etc...all vintage stuff.<br /><br />But here's what's changing: I am seeing an increasing amount of the postwar cards that I am interested in now showing up for sale in SGC holders. I just got an order in yesterday of some nice postwar stuff in SGC holders and for the first time I am considering keeping it in those instead of crossing them over to PSA, as I have historically done with everything post-1950...<br />hmmm...<br />

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03-13-2008, 01:12 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>I hate to say it but I'm afraid PSA is better suited for 50's cards than SGC.<br /><br />Everyone knows that I am a diehard SGC fan. Personallly I own only 2 PSA graded cards. Everything else is SGC.<br /><br />Because of that I gave some though to having my 59T baseball set emtombed by SGC. Passing thought, but a thought, so I thought I'd give it a test. By the way my set is very, very nice. I have had a couple of HOFer's slabbed by SGC and boy the cards do look great in SGC holders.<br /><br />So to continue, I had some freebies from SGC so I picked out a common, examined it every which way, perfect corners, perfect color, perfect centering, a 96 for sure! Packaged it up and sent it in. It came back an 88. What a jolt. <br /><br />The moral of this story is that SGC is very good at what it does, i.e. grading vintage cards. I'll take their SGC 30 any day over a PSA 4. But if they are going to be so so tough on the later cards I'm just going to pass.<br /><br />(There I've got that off my chest. Thanks for listening)<br /><br /><br /><br />

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03-13-2008, 02:22 PM
Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>that's what I'm here for!<br />just have a seat on the couch and I'll grab my notepad.<br /><br />I understand what you mean about the potential differences in how strict the two companies grade cards, and to be honest, because of that, I have been more interested in buying postwar cards already in SGC holders for that very reason. I have more confidence they'll be graded right, and if I so choose to be an enterprising lad from time to time, perhaps a crack and submit to PSA will net me a bump...but that's not really what my collecting is all about, so I don't figure to be doing much of it.<br /><br />You know, crazy thought, with everyone always saying they like how much better they like the look of the SGC slabs (presumably because of the black insert/background), why doesn't PSA offer a very easy competitive solution in offering colored inserts to their holders? You could even provide a color selection, or license the MLB logo and have logo'ed inserts...<br /><br />I know what you're thinking...."That Jason L...he's an idea guy!"<br /><br /><br />

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03-14-2008, 10:14 AM
Posted By: <b>Phil</b><p>I just looked at SGC's form that you fill out with your submissions...where do you make that note on their form of the minimum grade you are looking for before they can take it out of the PSA holder?

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03-14-2008, 10:16 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>there is a section in each line for comments/variations - that's where I make the notation - "Min. Grade 40"

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03-14-2008, 10:17 AM
Posted By: <b>Phil</b><p>Thanks!

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03-14-2008, 12:29 PM
Posted By: <b>TFerg</b><p>All the grading I've had done was SGC and I think the standards are honest(to the tough side). They are particularly harder on darker bordered cards (55 Bowman, 62 Topps) atleast from my experience. My collection is in SGC and if I were to liquidate I would crack and send to PSA before I'd sell (I think I'd get a half or even full point bump on some). Some PSA cards I bought to cross for my personal stuff have to be resold in the PSA slabs, because I know they won't cross.