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03-11-2008, 03:32 PM
Posted By: <b>Addie_Joss</b><p>Who are some guys you think will eventually make it to the Hall? <br /><br />My List: <br /><br />Jimmy Ryan<br />Bob Caruthers<br />Count Mullane<br />Ed Reulbach<br />Larry Doyle<br />Doc White<br />
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03-11-2008, 03:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>George Van Haltren should..but I doubt any of these guys, especially pre-1900 guys will ever make it now.
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03-11-2008, 03:49 PM
Posted By: <b>Addie_Joss</b><p>I don't know about that. In 2000 Bid McPhee got in 1999 Frank Selee got in, even though it was as a manager. 1998 was George Davis and 1996 was Ned Hanlon.
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03-11-2008, 03:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Bill Dahlen should be in the HOF...
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03-11-2008, 04:00 PM
Posted By: <b>Jerry</b><p>Harry Stovey<br />Do the powers that be know the American Association was a major league.
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03-11-2008, 04:02 PM
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>It still boggles my mind that Mullane isn't in the Hall. Nothing against Vic Willis, Bid McPhee and the likes but how do they get in before Tony? It is really too bad that he was suspended for a year at the height of his career (he would have 300 wins and that appears to be the magic #), but 284 isn't too shabby. <br />-Rhett<br /><br />Edited to add: In short the answer to that is NO Jerry. A real travesty.<br />
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03-11-2008, 04:45 PM
Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>What about a pitcher with 297 lifetime wins? If the player had only won 3 more games... Nobody cared about those stats way back when, but if they did...
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03-11-2008, 04:55 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>When they WTFU...James "Deacon" McGuire.
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03-11-2008, 05:15 PM
Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Magee and Clements.
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03-11-2008, 05:18 PM
Posted By: <b>Phil Garry</b><p>Lefty O'Doul
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03-11-2008, 05:56 PM
Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>There is a great difference between who I think WILL and who I think SHOULD...<br /><br />I don't think any of the ones you guys have mentioned WILL get in. I think the Hall is done with old folks.<br /><br /><br />I do think that at least these SHOULD get in. But I don't think it will happen.<br /><br />1 Reulbach<br />2 Van Haltren<br />3 O'Doul<br /><br />At least those, and I could live with a couple more...
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03-11-2008, 08:11 PM
Posted By: <b>Vincent</b><p><br /><br />Three of my four guesses are not likely, but deserving:<br /><br />Van Haltren<br />Mullane<br />Reulbach<br /><br /><br />. . . but if I were a betting man, I think Lefty O'Doul will, eventually, get into the HOF. <br /><br />My prediction is based on the increasing contribution and influence of Japanese ballplayers (Ichiro Suzuki, Hideki Matsui). I'm also assuming that influence continues to grow over time, I think the involvement and contributions of O'Doul towards the development of baseball in Japan will not be forgotten. It just may take time, and the right individuals, to recognize his work.<br /><br />It could be ten years. It could be twenty or more. But eventually, O'Doul will be recognized for his contributed, and elected into the HOF.<br /><br />Just my two cents.<br /><br />Thanks.
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03-11-2008, 08:56 PM
Posted By: <b>Cy</b><p>I don't think that O'Doul has the 10 years in the major leagues that is required. I think that the 10 years is the only thing keeping him out of the Hall.<br /><br />Cy
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03-11-2008, 09:20 PM
Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>I wish Ross Barnes, Ned Williamson, and Pete Browning would get the nod. Perhaps through some sort of special 19th century committee. (This has been done in the past). I think that is the way the Hall should judge prewar players: Periodically forming select groups of experts on various eras of the game, perhaps 30-year increments, with a different committee meeting every other year or so. Eventually, even post-war periods should be judged by true baseball historians. Allowing the living HOFers to vote, while politically correct, is just not utilizing the most informed opinions... imho!
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03-11-2008, 09:33 PM
Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>i've heard that Phillippe might be close.
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03-12-2008, 07:01 AM
Posted By: <b>Vincent</b><p><br />Cy,<br /><br />No argument from me regarding the 10-year requirement, and O'Doul's tenure in Major League baseball. Some might argue that his time spent in the Pacific Coast league should apply, but that's not my battle to fight.<br /><br />Actually, I figure O'Doul's eventual entrance into the HOF will not be via the BBWAA (based on his career as a ballplayer, and therefore subject to the service-time requirement), but via the Veteran Committee's subcommittee, which votes on executives and builders. They are suppose to vote on even-numbered years. This particular subcommittee conducted its first vote in 2007 for induction in 2008. I would consider O'Doul's involvement in the development and growth of baseball in Japan as qualifying him as a builder. But perhaps I am missing the true intent of this subcommittee's role.<br /><br /><br />Details regarding the Veterans Committee (subcommittee) was taken from Wikipedia. My apologies if it contains any errors.<br /><br /><br />Thanks.
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03-12-2008, 08:24 AM
Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>Phillipe, Reulback, Tannehill, Cravath, Magee, and Harry Davis.
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03-12-2008, 08:27 AM
Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Again, it appears as though a lot of us share the same feelings on this subject. <br /><br />Add Will White to your list, perhaps his brother Deacon as well. Definitely Will, though.<br /><br />I hope Michael is right about Phillippe--I have a nice 3X5 of him. I haven't heard anything of the sort.<br /><br />Another person who has been overlooked far too long is Hank O'Day. I believe that, next to Klem, O'Day has the most tenure as an umpire. Not to mention all the historic events he contributed to. There's a guy I <i>really</i> hope gets in--I have a signed ball, the only one I've seen. O'Day died way back in 1935, so that would be quite a prize (it already is).
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03-12-2008, 11:21 AM
Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>The earliest days of professional baseball are the last corner of the sport which is severely under-represented in the Hall. I could see the Baseball Hall of Fame making another committee to induct a bunch of these guys at once like the Negro League Comittee a few years back. If that is the case, You would see guys like the following get in the Hall (deservingly)<br /><br />Jack Chapman<br />A.J. Reach<br />Lip Pike<br />Levi Meyerle<br />Bobby Mathews<br />Cal McVey<br />Ross Barnes<br /><br />etc, etc <br /><br />Aside from the early NA guys and pre-professionals, the most deserving players are Tony Mullane, Harry Stovey, Pete Browning, and Bob Caruthers plus John T. Brush if you want to throw an executive in the mix.<br /><br />I HIGHLY doubt you will ever see Phillippe in the Hall of Fame unless they inducted Sam Leever with him. There has not been a 1-2 tandom of pitchers in baseball history with more similar stats. Either one is qualified but neither will ever make it without the other. <br /><br />Rhys
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03-12-2008, 03:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Jodi, I agree with you on O'Day. Though it won't happen, my others are Doggie Miller and Joe Wood
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03-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Muddy Ruel & Babe Herman