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03-03-2008, 06:26 AM
Posted By: <b>Bill Todd</b><p>Do the Rinkeydink stamps have an ACC designation? Seems like they should be an M-something. I picked up a Harris at the Reading show.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Bill
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03-03-2008, 10:31 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I don't believe they have an ACC # and I doubt Suger gave them a number in the Sports Collectors Bible either....
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03-03-2008, 11:23 AM
Posted By: <b>Bill Todd</b><p>Bummer. A compulsive guy like me needs some order. I think I'll put it in as an "M-Unc" in my checklist.<br /><br />Bill
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03-03-2008, 11:27 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>You might do ST-Unc as I do for unclassified stamps. I really have a good system for doing things (at least in my own mind). I always start with Burdick's ACC. If it's not in there then I go to Suger's SCB. Then if it's not in there I go to the "Unc" classification depending on what category it would fit into from the ACC. It works for me....take care
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03-03-2008, 06:00 PM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Come on guys, they have no ACC designation because they were cut out of a newspaper and shouldn't be graded either. They are no better than the Roy Huff garbage. SGC graded these and it simply amazes me. They told me that they were a recognized issue. I said recognized by whom? I am not going to go on about how I feel about grading but these should NOT be slabbed, period. I own a Ruth and a Walter Johnson, they are neat but not an issue. I guess I can get my 1930s newspaper stamps of Connie Mack graded as well? What a joke.
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03-03-2008, 06:12 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>They were cut out of a paper....They can't be a card.....I have my own ideas about grading this stuff but I am not sure a card can't be cut from a paper.....I have seen farther stretches to things called cards....
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03-03-2008, 06:51 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Is this what we are talking about? <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1204599065.JPG">
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03-03-2008, 06:55 PM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>No, I could live with those as they were actually issued in the sheet you show. I am talking about these junkers that were literally cut out of a newspaper like the one you read on Sunday mornings!<P><br /><br /><a href="http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail2.aspx?lotid=3964" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetail2.aspx?lotid=3964</a>
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03-03-2008, 07:04 PM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Bill, assign them a "J" designation for junk that shouldn't be graded.
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03-03-2008, 07:04 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>OK Dan.....I gotcha...and agree.....I don't think those should really be graded,imo....I thought you we were talking about these German Stamps...which I do classify as ST-Unc and are as such on my site....best regards
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03-03-2008, 07:07 PM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Yes I am with you on the German stamps and any other stamps issued like that. The Rinkeydinks have writing on the backs from articles on the back page. Roy Huff material period.
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03-03-2008, 10:17 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>1927 Rinkey Dinks come in color or B&W...<br /><br />Found in the Winnie Winkle comic strip of the Sunday funny pages.<br /><br /><img src="http://centuryoldcards.com/images/rinkeydink.jpeg"><br /><br />PS there are a few sets in the SCD Standard Catalog that were cut from newspapers. These had dotted lines and were meant to be cut out and collected..... kinda like some of the candy box cards or magazine cards.<br /><br />1936 Boston American Sports Stamps<br />1936 Detroit Times Sport Stamps<br />1936 Pittsburgh Sun Telegraph Sport Stamps<br />1936 Sunday Advertiser Sport Stamps<br />1949 Philadelphia Bulletin Phillies/A's<br />
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03-04-2008, 05:54 AM
Posted By: <b>Bill Todd</b><p>I think there's a question of intent here. These things were produced with the idea that people would cut them out and save them. The Huff stuff wasn't.<br /><br />Bill
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03-04-2008, 06:02 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>It all goes back to what we define a Card as? It's almost "to each their own"......I can see where a newspaper with indiviudal players that were meant to be cut out and saved could be classified as cards. Again, I have seen worse...
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03-04-2008, 07:01 AM
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>If you take it one step further I don't know that the 1910 W-Unc cards that have been confirmed to come from a notebook cover should be getting graded either.<br />-Rhett
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03-04-2008, 07:23 AM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I agree 100% with Rhett and I have said that all along. Those notebook cards should not be graded. But what do I know. That is an interesting point Bill, the intent that it was printed to be cut out and saved. I will have to think on that one. The whole newspaper thing just doesn't sit well with me. And does any of the magazines issued over the many years have things that were meant to be cut out and saved? The SI card inserts? They are junk out of the magazine in my eyes but that is just my opinion. I guess this is why we chat?
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03-04-2008, 07:26 AM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Frank, I have 1 of those Detroit Times sport stamps, I am going to submit that to SGC and ask for an authentic grade. Does anyone want to make a wager if it will be slabbed or not? Hint: keep in mind who is submitting it. ME!
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03-04-2008, 08:05 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I have personally seen 2-3 of the 1910-W-unc notebook covers in full. They are notebook covers. I was the underbidder on one at about 5k, on ebay, that was posted on this board about a year or two ago.....It pained me to see it outed in the wrong category while it was still active. For the record I have never changed my mind on any kind of cut out or strip card....I feel they should be holdered but ONLY as AUT and no numerical grade.....To me it doesn't make sense to give strip cards or cut outs numerical grades. But what do I know?...best regards
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03-04-2008, 09:15 AM
Posted By: <b>Glen V</b><p>The endless debate... How about Darby Chocolates, Scharipa Ruths, Orange Borders, Hunter Wieners, SI insert paper cards, or anything else cut from a box, magazine, etc.? Are they cards? Should they be graded? I think if they were made to be collected, they can be considered cards. However, I agree that they should only be graded "A". Of course, I feel the same way about zeenuts w/o coupons or Dixie Lids w/o the tab - either Authentic or Poor! This just seems wrong: <br /><br /> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2k6tvv" target="_new">http://tinyurl.com/2k6tvv</a>
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03-04-2008, 01:57 PM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>I hear you guys and can see your point. I just have a real problem with anything being cut out of a newspaper being slabbed. I think it is completely different than the candy box cards though I agree they should only be slabbed "A". A newspaper anything is not a card.
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03-04-2008, 02:40 PM
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Maybe I am wierd but when there are perforations, dotted lines, or any other indicia that the items were made to be collected or cut out it sort of ligitimizes the item in my eyes. Also if the box (or whatever it came from) says that they are to be "saved," "collected," or anything like that it also ligitimzes them as well. They should probably only get an authentic if graded but few would doubt items like Post Creal cards from the 1960's aren't cards...<br />-Rhett