New Joe Jackson Pre-Rookie Card Discovered [Archive]

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02-10-2008, 10:46 AM

Posted By: barrysloateI just got Hunt's March Auction catalog and they are highlighting a new Joe Jackson find- a real photo postcard picturing him with the Greenville Spinners right at the time Philadelphia picked up his contract. It's graded SGC Authentic and appears to pre-date any known Jackson card. I wonder if it will become the next holy grail of card collecting. It's actually a pretty nice image of him.

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02-10-2008, 10:50 AM

Posted By: Steve MurrayI seem to remember that card having appeared before. What do you think of the 20K to 30K estimate? Site currently down or else I would have posted a pic.

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02-10-2008, 10:53 AM

Posted By: barrysloateSounds low to me. And I don't recognize it, but you could be right. They are presenting it as a new find.

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02-10-2008, 11:04 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaHmmmm...I'm almost certain I've seen a postcard with Jackson in it from his town team when he was a kid. That would predate the Greenville postcard. edited to add: I think it's a 1907 Victor Mills team postcard.

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02-10-2008, 11:26 AM

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02-10-2008, 11:30 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaYep...that would be it.

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02-10-2008, 11:32 AM

Posted By: Addie_JossMan you guys have sharp eyes. I feel like if I picked that postcard up in a stack I'd immediately cast it aside. How annoyed does the guy standing up all the way to the left look?

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02-10-2008, 11:42 AM

Posted By: barrysloateWell, earliest single player vs. earliest team. Glad I didn't write up the description. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-10-2008, 11:49 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaBarry, you're saying that the card in Hunt's pictures Jackson by himself?

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02-10-2008, 02:35 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCi just got my Hunt's catalog...it is a postcard with Joe by himself, in a batting pose.

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02-10-2008, 02:39 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaInteresting. Can't wait to see it. Hunt's website has been down all day today.

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02-10-2008, 02:45 PM

Posted By: barrysloateHe's by himself and looks really young. Caption at bottom of postcard reads: "Joe Jackson, the Greenville Boy now with Philadelphia"

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02-10-2008, 02:48 PM

Posted By: Steve MurrayThat would date it 1908-09.

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02-10-2008, 02:52 PM

Posted By: Joe D."I wonder if it will become the next holy grail of card collecting." I don't have the catalog... someone please scan the image and post it! For the record - I am all for an early RPPC becoming the next holy grail of card collecting <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-10-2008, 02:55 PM

Posted By: barrysloateSteve- that is exactly how Hunt and SGC dates it. However, it was postally used and the postmark reads "September 1909" so I suspect it is from the latter year.

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02-10-2008, 03:01 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCit's nothing to write home about, IMO...not that good looking. kind of dark, looks almost like a b&w newspaper photo...

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02-10-2008, 03:05 PM

Posted By: Joe D.I believe I know the exact postcard you are talking about - and I had an opportunity to purchase it at a card show maybe a year ago. If we are talking about the same card - then it is not a RPPC. The one I remember was an dark newspaper quality printing. I didn't like the quality that much... but found the idea of such an early Joe Jackson card to be intriguing. In the end though, I did not pursue the card.

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02-10-2008, 03:07 PM

Posted By: barrysloateIt definitely does not look like high quality paper stock. Michael described it well.

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02-10-2008, 03:12 PM

Posted By: Joe D.your initial post mentioned 'real photo postcard' - that kind of threw me off the trail. I immediately thought the postcard that crossed my path was not the one (because it was a printed photo / not a real photo). I will say - if it is the same postcard that I am thinking about - - even considering the image quality - I think it is a very cool piece.

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02-10-2008, 03:26 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJoe- remember the other 1903 Giants postcard, with the cardboard cutout in the back? It kind of looks like that. It's a real photo, but printed instead of glossy. Maybe I should have been more precise.

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02-10-2008, 03:33 PM

Posted By: quanbecause i like the nyc people joe, barry, mike et al...it's painful seeing you guys trying to match up the card <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1202599994.JPG">

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02-10-2008, 03:38 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThanks Quan! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-10-2008, 04:02 PM

Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)That postcard has been offered at auction before within the last year I believe. It sold for about $2,000 last time. It was in won of the big auctions. Either Mastros, Robert Edwards ro Lelands. Personally, I would take the team postcard above.

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02-10-2008, 04:11 PM

Posted By: barrysloateIt actually was sold in a Mastro Auction a few years back. I just found this out.

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02-10-2008, 04:18 PM

Posted By: RhysIs there a scan of the back on the website? That thing looks like a periodical photo glued to a postcard back. I have never seen anything that looks like that in 20+ years of collecting other postcards and antiques. I could be wrong, but that thing does not look like it began life as a postcard. Rhys

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02-10-2008, 05:10 PM

Posted By: barrysloateRhys- the same thought crossed my mind, but I guess I assumed SGC did their due diligence before encapsulating it. If it were a picture glued to a postcard I think they would have caught it in a minute.

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02-10-2008, 06:06 PM

Posted By: Phil GarryI believe that the Jackson card appeared at a dealer's table at the White Plains, NY show about a year ago. I don't know the dealer's name but he was selling primarily Type I - Original Baseball HOF Wire Photos. I spotted the Jackson card in his showcase but was tapped out in funds and did not pursue it.

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02-10-2008, 06:46 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzAnyone want to take a guess on the hammer price?

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02-10-2008, 06:53 PM

Posted By: Phil Garry$10K - $12K without the juice

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02-10-2008, 06:56 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzAnyone know what the prvious sale price was and what year?

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02-10-2008, 07:16 PM

Posted By: franka great post card , I bought it years ago from bill mastro , who I believe bought it from some one on ebay , again a 'GREAT' postcard , at least now people know the start of the journey of this post card , thank you , frank

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02-11-2008, 05:16 AM

Posted By: Dan KravitzThanks Phil. Franky 5 K... The greatest name in the hobby. Send me an email if you get a chance... dan@chiprop.com I think the PC should stay around the $10,000 mark myself. It's a very rare cool item, but probably not as desireable as mainsteam issues, plus it's a PC so it may not be a card after all. If the PC was in an SGC 3 holder, would that drasticly chance the price, or is it so rare that any condition commands a price near $10,000.00?

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02-11-2008, 06:40 AM

Posted By: Phil GarryDan: I don't think the grade would have a major effect on the price unless it was very high, ie SGC 84+

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02-11-2008, 07:24 AM

Posted By: James GalloSo I assume it is trimmed which is why it is authentic... I also assume it has some type of typical post card back that ids it as a post card... Couple of questions... How many are known? Who made it and why? Was it a set or single issue? There is no way I would buy one of these over a E-90-1 or a T-210. A interesting piece that reminds me of an early photo I saw at last years national. I think I liked the photo better and it was only $7500. James G Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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02-11-2008, 07:38 AM

Posted By: Joe D.for ending the suspense! I believe that is the card that crossed my path at a Philly show - but Frank would know if he brought it there or not. low photo quality - but a cool item for whoever wins it.