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01-19-2008, 07:26 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>I say counterfeit. Or is it?..<br /><br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/25g45j" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/25g45j</a><br />

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01-19-2008, 07:28 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I stayed away but think it could be real....wasn't sure and have too much other stuff going on to get involved..Looks sort of good.....regards

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01-19-2008, 07:38 PM
Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>has that darkened look of a reprint on the front to me so i did no inquire further.<br /><br />ebay scan/reprint scan/bruce's gorgeous example.<br /><img src="http://i7.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/d1/16/b5e9_1.JPG"> <img src="http://www.vintagecardtraders.com/virtual/d304/d304-24.jpg"><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/19111914d304brunnersbread/websize/Wagner.JPG"><br /><br />edited to add pics...i don't have a scan of my sgc20 anymore. i will email this thread to the winner.<br />

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01-19-2008, 07:39 PM
Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Guys,<br /> I live less than an hour from Mebane, and would have checked it out for you. LMK if you need my help. Be well BRIAN

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01-19-2008, 07:41 PM
Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>I vote fake. Looks like two laser/photocopies (front & back) got pasted together.

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01-19-2008, 07:50 PM
Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Definitely a reprint.<br /><br />The corners and borders of the reprints don't look close to how these cards really age. The color's off and the print on the back is more bold than it should be.<br /><br />Also, in T206 terms, this would be similar to finding a Cobb Green portrait with a Drum back which is an impossible combination. The wagner with Weber back has never been documented and although possible it likely never will be found.<br /><br />These reprints are dangerously close, but no cigar.<br /><br />Robert

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01-19-2008, 07:50 PM
Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>"Nowhere on the card does it state to be a reprint."<br /><br />I really hope it's real, because I hate to see someone spend that kind of money for a bad card, but whenever I read the sentence above in an eBay listing, my brain automatically fills in "...but it is."<br /><br />-Al

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01-19-2008, 07:53 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>What in tarnation are these buyers thinking

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01-19-2008, 07:58 PM
Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Hi Steve,<br /><br />I can't blame the buyers. They're pretty darn close.<br /><br />There are obvious reprints for this set out there that are smaller and look different but many have been fooled by these particular reprints.<br /><br />I've still never seen one in person, but would like to someday.<br /><br />Rob

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01-19-2008, 08:15 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Right edge near the bottom you will see an extra line. Looks like they didnt cut out the fake good and left too much of the edge or the original it was made from. IMO<br /><br />Also like Quan said, the top 2 scans (in his post) show a dark almost black line at top of the grass,and also the grass is black and green, not green and yellow like that nice bottom card. <br /><br />And the top 2 cards have the same unusual white (damage?) spots (above bat) and white line along the top of the blue sky.

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01-19-2008, 08:21 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>It went too cheap for a real Wagner, and way too high for a reprint. Either it's real or it isn't- there's no middle ground.<br /><br />And this one isn't.

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01-19-2008, 08:46 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Found another, but advertized as a reprint at least. Same white dot too.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1200710707.JPG">

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01-19-2008, 09:08 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>1) Check his feedback the only cards this guy sells are 2007s.<br />2) "Nowhere does it say reprint on it."<br /><br />'Nuff said

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01-19-2008, 09:14 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard L.</b><p>Also.............<br />Seller mentions the card has a book value of 6k, but 2 bucks for shipping and no insurance available, hope the buyer comes to his senses!

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01-20-2008, 06:50 PM
Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>In addition to what has already been said about the card, the colors just don't look right. I have not seen that dark of blue on an authentic D304 Wagner.<br /><br />Andrew

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01-20-2008, 07:12 PM
Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>I say it is fake<br /><br />Actually if I look at it again, it is fake.5<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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01-20-2008, 07:52 PM
Posted By: <b>Brad</b><p>I also say it's fake! $1400.00' too much of a gamble, why didn't the seller get the card graded?

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01-21-2008, 01:06 AM
Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kingyao/d304/websize/D304WagnerHonusSGC30Brunners.jpg">

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01-21-2008, 06:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Niiice King. Can we see a back scan plz?

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01-21-2008, 06:31 AM
Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>I emailed the guy 5 times and he emailed me back 3. I asked him if he would accept a return if the card was deemed a forgery or tampered with. He simply stated over and over that the card has not been tampered with. He would not respond to the question of authenticity. I told him if he agreed to accept a return I would bid very strong. He never responded. FAKE, and he knows it!

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01-21-2008, 06:51 AM
Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/kingyao/d304/websize/D304WagnerHonusSGC30BrunnersBack.jpg">

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02-06-2008, 07:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-D304-General-Baking-Honus-Wagner-Baseball-Card_W0QQitemZ250213038181" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-D304-General-Baking-Honus-Wagner-Baseball-Card_W0QQitemZ250213038181</a>

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02-06-2008, 09:39 AM
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Same suspicious white dot upper right hand corner.

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02-06-2008, 09:56 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Steve - it's the same card with the same wear pattern.

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02-06-2008, 10:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>my vote is fake as well

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02-07-2008, 01:36 PM
Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-GENERAL-BAKING-HONUS-WAGNER-6-000-BV_W0QQitemZ330209986106QQihZ014QQcategoryZ86841QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-GENERAL-BAKING-HONUS-WAGNER-6-000-BV_W0QQitemZ330209986106QQihZ014QQcategoryZ86841QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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02-07-2008, 01:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Different scan, different seller name, same fake card.

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02-07-2008, 02:26 PM
Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a fake D304 Wagner on Ebay right now.