Broad Leaf 460....the stuff that T206er's dream of

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Earlier this year we ran a Survey on the BL 350 backs and since then more have been confirmed. So. I'm reprising the list of these,<br /> including the newly found cards.<br /><br />Furthermore, I would like to see more inputs on the BL 460 backs. The BL 350 and BL 460 backs are mutually exclusive; so, we will<br /> generate a new list of Subjects with the BL 460 backs. However, thanks to Art Martineau's recent discovery, there is an exception<br /> to this rule. The Six Super Prints, as defined by Scot Reader, are possible with both Broad Leaf backs (350 and 460).<br /><br />BROAD LEAF 460......initial list (some may be uncertain)<br /><br />Baker<br />M. Brown (Chi)<br />Burch (fldg)<br />Cobb (red).......................super-print<br />Cobb (bat off)<br />Davis (A's)<br />Dougherty (arms in air)<br />Downey (bat)<br />Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)<br />Evers (Chi-bat)..................super-print<br />Griffith (bat)<br />Johnson (pitch)<br />Joss (pitch)<br />Kleinow (Boston)<br />Konetchy (glove low)<br />Mathewson (dark cap).........super-print<br />McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)<br />Mullin (bat)<br />Murphy (bat)<br />O'Leary (hds/knees)<br />Reulbach (glove)<br />Rucker (throw)<br />Schaefer (Wash)<br />Seymour (throwing)<br />Snodgrass (fldg)<br />Stahl (glove) <br />Street (catching)<br />Sweeney (NY)<br />Willis (throw)<br />CYoung (glove)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />BROAD LEAF 350........upgraded 12/27/07<br /><br />To date total = 149......there are 12 reported HOFers and Stars......Beckley, Bender, Bresnahan, Chance, Chase, Evers, Huggins,<br />Joss, Kelley, Marquard, McGinnity, and Speaker.<br /><br />Abbott<br />Abstein<br />Adkins<br />Armbruster<br />Arellanes<br />Arndt<br />Barbeau<br />Barry (A's)<br />Barry (Milwaukee)<br />Beck<br />Becker<br />Beckley<br />Bender (trees)<br />Blackburne<br />Bliss<br />Brain<br />Bresnahan (bat)......reported 6 times<br />Burchell<br />Burke<br />Burns<br />Bush<br />Butler<br />Campbell<br />Carrigan<br />Casey<br />Cassidy<br />Chappelle<br />Chance (yellow)................super-print<br />Charles<br />Chase (blue).....................super-print<br />Clancy<br />Clark<br />Congalton<br />Cree<br />Davidson<br />Delehanty (Louisville)......reported 3 times<br />Dessau<br />Dineen<br />Donovan (throw)<br />Doolan (fldg)<br />Dorner<br />Downey (fldg)<br />Downs<br />Dubuc<br />Jack Dunn (Baltimore)<br />Joe Dunn<br />Dygert<br />Engle<br />Evers (Chi-bat)..................super-print<br />Freeman<br />Ganzel<br />Gasper<br />Graham (Boston)<br />Graham (St Louis)<br />Grimshaw<br />Hall<br />Hallman<br />Hartsell<br />Hayden<br />Hinchman (Toledo)<br />Hoblitzell<br />Hoffman (St Lo)<br />Hofman<br />Howard (Chicago)<br />Howell (portrait)<br />Huggins (portrait)<br />Hulswitt<br />Hunter<br />Jackson<br />Davy Jones<br />Joss (pitch)<br />Kelley<br />Killian (portrait)<br />Kisinger<br />Knabe<br />Knight (port)<br />Knight (bat)<br />Krause (pitch)<br />Kroh<br />Kruger<br />LaPorte<br />Lavender<br />Lennox<br />Livingstone<br />Maddox<br />Malarkey<br />Maloney<br />Marquard (portrait)<br />Marshall<br />McAleese<br />McBride<br />McGinley<br />McGinnity<br />McGlynn<br />McIntyre (portrait)<br />McLean<br />Milan<br />Miller (Pittsburg)<br />Milligan<br />Mitchell<br />Moeller<br />Moran (Chicago)<br />Moran (Prov)<br />Mullen<br />Murray (bat)<br />Myers (bat)<br />Myers (fldg)<br />Nattress<br />Oakes<br />O'Brien<br />O'Neill<br />Paskert<br />Perring<br />Phelan<br />Phelps<br />Phillippe<br />Poland<br />Purtell<br />Quillen<br />Randall<br />Raymond<br />Rhoades<br />Rhodes<br />Ritter<br />Rudolph<br />Schirm<br />Schreck<br />Scott<br />Sharpe<br />Shaw<br />Slagle<br />Snodgrass (bat)<br />Speaker<br />Stanage<br />Starr<br />Strang<br />Street (port)<br />Summers<br />Sweeney (bat)<br />Tannehill (Washington)<br />Taylor<br />Titus<br />Unglaub<br />Warhop<br />Willett<br />Wilson<br />Wright<br />Irv Young<br />Zimmerman<br /><br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Ted,<br /><br />I have a Bob Hall BL 350-I think that is the only one I have that is not on your list

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>ted- great work, as always...happy holidays!<br /><br />as i've mentioned before, i have a Stahl 460.<br /><br />best-<br />MS

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>A noble effort, to which I'm unable to add. Lead on!!!

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Posted By: <b>Art M.</b><p>Hello Ted,<br />Regarding your list of the T206 cards known with Broad Leaf 460 backs I have these additions/questions:<br /><br />Possible but not seen?<br />Cobb, bat off - Never seen an example of this one.<br />Schaefer, Washington - Never seen an example of this one.<br /><br />Confirmed, add:<br />Seymour, throwing - see scan below.<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/rebelsart2000/Seymour.jpg"><br /><br />Also, here is the only T206 that I have confirmed with both Broad Leaf 350 and 460 backs (Evers, batting, yellow sky):<br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/rebelsart2000/Evers350460.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thanks for your inputs......and, especially the Evers cards......this is quite a remarkable discovery.<br /><br />The Cobb and Schaefer inputs are from data points on Bill's Super Set that Brian Weisner provided.<br /><br />The Schaefer really surprised me in that this Subject is in the 460-only series....and, it was my understanding that BL 460's <br />were NOT printed on any Subjects in this series (except Kleinow and possibly F. Smith).<br /><br />Do you agree with this observation ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Thank you JIM R and MIKE (who emailed me) with your new inputs.<br /><br /><br />I will add my Chase (blue) to the mix, as a possible 2nd Super-Print that can be found with both Broad Leaf backs.<br /><br />Hey guys and gals, does anyone out there in Net54-land have this Chase with a Broad Leaf 460 back ?<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/blchasecoupon.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I have only 6 Broad Leaf 350's and one is Jessie Tannehill (Washington), who I forgot to add to the list. He brings the total to 149.<br /><br />We know there are more Broad Leaf 350's and 460's out there....show and tell us of your's ?<br /><br />This is the stuff you T206 collectors dream of.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Ted,<br />I still just have the one i reported to you some time back-- the 350 Hayden.<br />Just wanted to add that i'm pleased to see the 206 research up and running again!!<br />Happy New Year, TREX!!!<br /><br />best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>No BL460 yet. I haven't really concentrated on the T206 backs....I do have<br /><br />1909 T206 Broadleaf350 Moeller-NJ <br /><br /><br /><br />happy holidays<br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Ted. You taunt me with that card. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>good morning gentlemen...<br /><br />not to "out" an auction, but there is a Kleinow, Boston BL 460 SGC 30, on eBay (BIN $5K)...overpriced, IMO.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I'm sure there is another Blue Chase with a Broad Leaf 350 out there; amd, as anything and everything eventually appears on ebay....<br />one will show up for you.<br />In any event, you have to set your sights on the bigger "prize"....this card printed on a Broad Leaf 460 back.<br /><br />Happy hunting, Jeff.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BARRY A<br /><br />Your Hayden is one of 65 of the 86 - T206 Minor Leaguers in this set that have been confirmed. Do you think that we will eventually<br /> confirm all 86 Subjects ?<br /> <br /><br />Broad Leaf 350.....Minor Leaguers<br /><br />Abbott<br />Adkins<br />Armbruster<br />Arndt<br />Barry (Milwaukee)<br />Beckley<br />Blackburne<br />Bliss<br />Brain<br />Burchell<br />Burke<br />Butler<br />Carr<br />Casey<br />Cassidy<br />Chappelle<br />Clancy<br />Clark<br />Congalton<br />Davidson<br />Delehanty (Louisville)<br />Dessau<br />Dorner<br />Downs<br />Dunn (Baltimore)<br />Freeman<br />Ganzel<br />Grimshaw<br />Hall<br />Hallman<br />Hayden<br />Hinchman (Toledo)<br />Jackson<br />Kelley<br />Kisinger<br />Kruger<br />Lavender<br />Maddox<br />Malarkey<br />Maloney<br />McGinley<br />McGinnity<br />McGlynn<br />Milligan<br />Mitchell (Toronto)<br />Moeller<br />Moran (Providence)<br />Nattress<br />O'Brien<br />O'Neill<br />Phelan<br />Poland<br />Quillen<br />Randall<br />Ritter<br />Rudolph<br />Schirm<br />Schreck<br />Sharpe<br />Shaw<br />Slagle<br />Strang<br />Taylor<br />Wright<br />Irv Young<br /><br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Here's what you could call a "double-toughie", a Kleinow (Boston) with a Broad Leaf 460 back for sale on ebay.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-Red-Kleinow-Boston-Broadleaf-460_W0QQitemZ150199840328" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-11-T206-Red-Kleinow-Boston-Broadleaf-460_W0QQitemZ150199840328</a><br /><br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>ted- read my post from yesterday...above.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>MIKE S<br /><br />I missed your post......I took the "lazy" pass, by clicking on the "Bottom of page" link.<br /><br />Anyhow, Brian W. said this Subject exists with a Broad Leaf 460 back....and, here it is.<br /><br />Too expensive for my liking......anyway, I hope the "usual suspects" don't get on my case for providing a link to it on ebay.<br />It is listed as a BIN, so I guess that's not considered an "OUTING" ? ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Four months ago there was an ungraded Doolan (batting) with a Broad Leaf 460 back on ebay. This lot was withdrawn by the seller,<br /> who said he would resubmit it upon getting it graded.....was this card, subsequently, for sale ?<br /><br /> This Doolan is a 350/460 Subject, and is possible with a BL 460 back.<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>The BROAD LEAF 460's are found in the 350/460 Series (55 cards)......plus the Six Super Prints (Chance-yel, Chase-blue,<br />Chase-dk cap, Cobb, Evers, Mathewson)......plus these 2 in the 460-only Series: Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Chi & Bos)<br /> for a total of 63 possible candidates. <br />Of the remaining 46 Subjects in the 460-only Series, none have yet been confirmed; and perhaps, this series of 46 cards <br />were not printed with the Broad Leaf 460 back. I hope we can resolve this uncertainty.<br /><br /><br /><br />BROAD LEAF 460........29 confirmed......46% of the possible 63 candidates<br /><br />Baker<br />M. Brown (Chicago)<br />Burch (fldg)<br />Cobb (red)............................super-print<br />Cobb (bat off)<br />Davis (A's)<br />Dougherty (arms in air)<br />Downey (bat)<br />Elberfeld (Washington-fldg)<br />Evers (Chi-bat)......................super-print<br />Griffith (bat)<br />Johnson (pitch)<br />Joss (pitch)<br />Kleinow (Boston)<br />Konetchy (glove low)<br />Mathewson (dark cap).............super-print<br />McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chi)<br />Mullin (bat)<br />Murphy (bat)<br />O'Leary (hds/knees)<br />Reulbach (glove)<br />Rucker (throw)<br />Seymour (throwing)<br />Snodgrass (fldg)<br />Stahl (glove) <br />Street (catching)<br />Sweeney (New York)<br />Willis (throw)<br />CYoung (glove)<br /><br /><br />These are very, very tough.....but, I'm sure there are more to be reported.....so, you posters and readers in Net54-land,<br /> show and/or tell us of yours ?<br /><br />Net54 readers, please email me at......tedzan11@comcast.net<br /><br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Clarification on the Kleinow (Boston) and F. Smith (Chi & Boston) cards........<br /><br />Although these two T206 Subjects do not have any 350 backs, they really belong to the 350/460<br /> series. And, have the characteristic 460 backs associated with the 350/460 series (for instance<br /> they are not found with Sweet Caporal 460 Factory 30).<br /><br />Red Kleinow has indeed been confirmed with a Broad Leaf 460 back.<br /><br /> Frank Smith has not....and, if my observation is correct regarding the mutual exclusivity between<br /> American Beauty 460 cards and Broad Leaf 460 cards......then, I do not expect to find this Smith<br /> variation with a BL 460 back.<br /><br />I leave it up to anyone to prove me wrong on this ?<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/arraysmith460.jpg"><br /><br />TED Z <br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>TRex,<br />I just saw your post to me at the end of December.<br />I, as you mentioned in reference to yourself, take the lazy man's way<br />too often and push the 'bottom of page'as well.<br />Sorry.<br /><br />I do hope to see all the minor leaguers with 350 Broadleaf before you turn 70 and I turn 60!!<br /><br />best,<br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I don't know about all the 86 Minor Leaguers being found with BL 350 backs. I discovered in my Sovereign set<br />that only 60 of the Minor Lgers. were printed with Sovereign 350 backs.<br /><br />This Monster is unpredictable.<br /><br />Best Regards, Barry<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Robert {Bigb13}</b><p>I have the 1909-11 T206 Red Kleinow - Boston with a piedmont 42 back which is not easy to find. Rob

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>That's a really tough card. Perhaps, I should start another Survey just on the scarcity of Piedmont 460 Factory 42 cards.<br /><br />TED Z