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11-07-2007, 05:48 AM
Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>I have two photos of Nap Rucker. The first is a recent purchase that I know is a M101-2 Sporting News Supplement, with the date September 16, 1909 on the front.<br /><br />The second, however, I purchased a while ago thinking it was a M101-2, as thats what the auction listing said, and on the back of the photo it has a date written in pen "9/16/09". Can anyone identify what the 2nd photo really is?<br /><br />Thanks!<br />Rob<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><img src="http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u58/tiger8mush/Pb050012.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u58/tiger8mush/P4280020.jpg"><br />
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11-07-2007, 03:52 PM
Posted By: <b>Patrick McMenemy</b><p>Hi Rob,<br /><br />Very interesting. The player identifiication box looks very similar between the two supplements. Perhaps he had more than one supplement issued by the Sporting News? I'm guessing someone put the date on the back after seeing the date listed in a catalog.<br /><br />I'm curious as to whether the bottom supplement might be trimmed? If so, the name of the company might have been lost with the alteration.<br /><br />The Boston Post and Boston Herald also released supplements that look quite similar to the M101-2s as well.<br /><br />Good luck with the identification.<br /><br />Patrick
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11-07-2007, 06:08 PM
Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>According to Marc Okkonen's book on team uniforms, Brooklyn did not wear that logo/design on their arm until 1910, and the uniform depicted correpsonds to the 1913 squad. If he's right, this would not have been issued in 1909 as handwritten on the back. Also, the first 10 Sporting News premiums from 1909 had that white informational strip across the top, and after they started in July, each week is accounted for. I'm guessing it's a premium from some other source.
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11-08-2007, 04:06 AM
Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>thanks for all the info so far! He's not on the checklist for either Boston Herald or Sunday Post, and a quick scan of the oldcardboard.com "M" cards doesn't show any similar looking photos. And the checklists I've seen for Sporting News Supplements only has the one Rucker (from 9/16/09). <br /><br />Thanks for any add'l info!<br />Rob<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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01-04-2008, 10:24 AM
Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>Hi oljoe, thanks for the info. So you think its from the M113 series? The only thing is its not quite as big as what they say in the link below ...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m113/m113.asp?cardsetID=971" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m113/m113.asp?cardsetID=971</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m113/m113.asp?cardsetID=971</a</a>><br /><br />edited to ask: If anyone has a list of M113s, please point me in that direction!<br /><br />Thanks!<br />Rob<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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01-04-2008, 03:46 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>1912 Posters<br /><br />Frank ChanceCubs<br />New York Giants Team PhotoGiants<br />Babe AdamsPirates<br />Howie CamnitzPirates<br />Claude HendrixPirates<br />Marty O'ToolePirates<br />Boston Red Sox Team PhotoRed Sox<br /><br />1913 Posters<br /><br />Jack BarryA's<br />Joe BushA's<br />Eddie CollinsA's<br />Connie MackA's<br />Stuffy McInnisA's<br />Eddie PlankA's<br />Philadelphia A's Team PhotoA's<br />Boston Braves Team PhotoBraves<br />Jimmy ArcherCubs<br />Jake DaubertDodgers<br />"Nap" RuckerDodgers<br />Larry DoyleGiants<br />Art FletcherGiants<br />Rube MarquardGiants<br />Christy MathewsonGiants<br />John McGrawGiants<br />"Chief" MeyersGiants<br />Red MurrayGiants<br />Joe JacksonIndians<br />Nap LajoieIndians<br />Tris SpeakerRed Sox<br />Smokey Joe WoodRed Sox<br />Walter JohnsonSenators<br />Sam CrawfordTigers<br />Reb RussellWhite Sox<br />Ed WalshWhite Sox<br />Fritz MaiselYankees<br /><br /><br />1914 Posters<br /><br />Home Run BakerA's<br />Wally SchangA's<br />Bob ShawkeyA's<br />Joe ConnollyBraves<br />Hank GowdyBraves<br />Bill JamesBraves<br />Rabbit MaranvilleBraves<br />Dick RudolphBraves<br />Charles SchmidtBraves<br />Lefty TylerBraves<br />Boston Braves Team PhotoBraves<br />St. Louis Browns Team PhotoBrowns<br />Larry CheneyCubs<br />Jimmy LavenderCubs<br />Wildfire SchulteCubs<br />Chicago Cubs Team PhotoCubs<br />Cleveland Indians Team PhotoIndians<br />Jimmy SheckardReds<br />Cincinnati Reds Team PhotoReds<br />Washington Senators Team PhotoSenators<br />Detroit Tigers Team PhotoTigers<br />New York Yankees Team PhotoYankees<br />Chicago Whales Team PotoWhales - Federals<br /><br /><br />1915 Posters<br /><br />Chief BenderA's<br />Philadelphia A's Team PhotoA's<br />St. Louis Cardinals Team PhotoCardinals<br />Grover AlexanderPhillies<br />Philadelphia Phillies Team PhotoPhillies<br />Harry HooperRed Sox<br />Duffy LewisRed Sox<br />Tris SpeakerRed Sox<br />Boston Red Sox Team PhotoRed Sox<br />Chicago White Sox Team PhotoWhite Sox<br /><br /><br />1916 Posters<br /><br />George SislerBrowns<br />Rogers HornsbyCardinals<br />Zach WheatDodgers<br />Brooklyn Dodgers Team PhotoDodgers<br />Benny KauffGiants<br />Dave RobertsonGiants<br />Philadelphia Phillies Team PhotoPhillies<br />Larry GardnerRed Sox<br />Babe RuthPitchingRed Sox<br />Buck HerzogReds<br />Walter JohnsonSenators<br />Fielder JonesSt. Louis - Federals<br /><br /><br />1917 Posters<br /><br />George BurnsGiants<br />Art FletcherGiants<br />Ferd SchuppGiants<br />New York Giants Team PhotoGiants<br />Boston Red Sox Team PhotoRed Sox<br />Ed CicotteWhite Sox<br />Red FaberWhite Sox<br />Happy FelschWhite Sox<br />Ray SchalkWhite Sox<br />Buck WeaverWhite Sox<br /><br /><br />1918 Posters<br /><br />Home Run BakerYankees<br /><br /><br />1919 Posters<br /><br />Cincinnati Reds Team PhotoReds<br />Ed CicotteWhite Sox<br />Chicago White Sox Team PhotoWhite Sox<br /><br /><br />1920 Posters<br /><br />Rogers HornsbyCardinals<br />Burleigh GrimesDodgers<br />Hy MyersDodgers<br />Hippo VaughnDodgers<br />Brooklyn Dodgers Team PhotoDodgers<br />Dave BancroftGiants<br />Earl SmithGiants<br />Jim BagbyIndians<br />Duster MailsIndians<br />Steve O'NeillIndians<br />Tris SpeakerIndians<br />Bill WambsganssIndians<br />Cleveland Indians Team PhotoIndians<br />Max CareyPirates<br />Hod EllerReds<br />Heinie GrohReds<br />Pat MoranReds<br />Edd RoushReds<br />Dutch RuetherReds<br />Walter JohnsonSenators<br />Harry CoveleskiTigers<br />Bobby VeachTigers<br />Dick KerrWhite Sox<br />Ray SchalkWhite Sox<br />Babe RuthBatting / No Stands in BackgroundYankees<br /><br /><br />That is the best I can do for now. I am trying to find the rest up to 57 and sort them. The sizes varied by year from 9" x 12.25" to 9" x 20".
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01-04-2008, 05:24 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>These are so confusing and assigning a year seems an impossible task.<br /><br />Indians Team<br />Aldredge, Victor<br />Alexander, Grover Cleveland<br />Appling, Luke<br />Appling, Luke<br />Ashburn, Richie<br />Bagby, James<br />Bagby, James Jr.<br />Bartell, Richard<br />Beggs, Joseph<br />Bell, Lester<br />Berger, Walter<br />Blanton, Darrell (Cy)<br />Bonham, Eernest<br />Bottomly, James L.<br />Boudreau, Louis<br />Bridges, Tom<br />Brissie, Lou<br />Brown, James<br />Burns, George<br />Camilli, Dolph<br />Cavarretta, Philip<br />Chandler, Spurgeon<br />Chapman, Sam<br />Clift, Harlond<br />Cobb, Tyrus Raymond<br />Cooper, Morton<br />Cooper, William Walker<br />Critz, Hugh<br />Cronin, Joe<br />Cronin, Joe<br />Cronin, Joe<br />Cuccinello, Tony<br />Dark, Alvin<br />Dark, Alvin<br />Deringer, Paul<br />Derringer, Paul<br />Di Maggio, Joseph<br />Dickey, William<br />DiMaggio, Dominic<br />Doby, Larry<br />Dropo, Walter<br />Elliott, Bob<br />Elliott, Robert<br />Ennis, Del<br />Ennis, Del<br />Fain, Ferris<br />Ferrell, Wesley<br />Ferrell, Wesley<br />Gordon, Joe (Flash)<br />Gordon, Joe (Flash)<br />Goslin, Leon "Goose"<br />Greenberg, "Hank"<br />Greenberg, "Hank"<br />Hack, Stanley<br />Hack, Stanley<br />Hallahan, "Wild Bill"<br />Harder, Melvin (Mel)<br />Hartnett, Leo<br />Heilmann, Harry<br />Henrich, Tom<br />Higbe, Kirby<br />Hornsby, Rogers<br />Hornsby, Rogers<br />Hornsby, Rogers<br />Hubbell, Carl<br />Hubbell, Carl<br />Irvin, Monte<br />Jackson, Travis<br />Johnson, Bill<br />Johnson, Bob<br />Keller, Charles<br />Keller, Charles<br />Kelly, George<br />Kiner, Ralph<br />Kluszewski, Ted<br />Kolloway, Donald<br />Lemon, Robert<br />Leonard, Emil (Dutch)<br />Lockman, Carroll<br />Lopez, Al<br />Lopez, Al<br />Maglie, Salvatore<br />Marion, Martin<br />McCarthy, Joe<br />McCormick, Frank<br />McCormick, Frank<br />McCormick, Frank<br />McCullough<br />McQuinn, George<br />Melton, Cliofford<br />Meusel, E.<br />Michaels, Cass<br />Mitchell, Dale<br />Mize, John<br />Moore, Joseph<br />Moses, Wallace<br />Mueller, Ray<br />Myer, Charles (Buddy)<br />Nehf, Arthur<br />Newhouser, Harold<br />Nicholson, William<br />Ott, Melvin (Mel)<br />Owen, Arnold (Mickey)<br />Pollet, Howard<br />Reese, Harold (Peewee)<br />Reiser, Harold (Pete)<br />Reynolds, Allie<br />Riddle, Elmer<br />Roberts, Robin<br />Ruffing, Charles<br />Sauer, Henry<br />Schumacher, Hal.<br />Shantz, Robert<br />Slaughter, Enos<br />Speaker, "Tris"<br />Spence, Stanley<br />Stanky, Edward<br />Stephens, Vernon<br />Stirnweiss, George<br />Tabor, James<br />Terry, "Bill"<br />Thevenow, Thomas<br />Thurston, Hollis<br />Traynor, Harold "Pie"<br />Trosky, Harold<br />Valo, Elmer<br />Vander Meer, John<br />Vaughan, Floyd (Arky)<br />Vosmik, Joseph<br />Walker, Fred (Dixie)<br />Waner, Lloyd<br />Waner, Paul<br />Warneke, Lon.<br />Williams, Ted<br />Witek, Nicholas (Mickey)<br />Wright, Glen<br />Wynn, Early<br />Zernial, Gus<br />
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01-04-2008, 05:40 PM
Posted By: <b>Patrick McMenemy</b><p>I have a Chief Meyers Baseball Magazine poster, and it has his name at the bottom, but not in a box like: the M101-2s, Boston Sunday Post, Boston Herald, and Philadelphia Evening Times. I think you can rule out The Baseball Magazine. I think the key to identification is matching the player's name and box to another supplement with the same design. Perhaps a small regional newspaper issue.<br /><br />Patrick
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01-05-2008, 07:11 PM
Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>Thanks everyone for your input so far! Very much appreciated.<br /><br />I agree I don't think its a Baseball Magazine Poster, as my issue measures 9 7/8 tall x 8" wide. <br /><br />Nap Rucker is listed as having a "Police Gazette" in 1913, according to:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m128/m128list.asp" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m128/m128list.asp</a><br /><br />Does anyone have a Police Gazette from 1913? Perhaps they looked different that year than some of the other years?<br /><br />I agree with what you said Patrick. It looks similar to both Boston Herald Supplements (of course its not that though, as they only issued Red Sox and Braves) and M101-2. Perhaps Brooklyn had a newspaper that issued supplements as well?<br /><br />Thanks again guys!<br />Rob<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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01-06-2008, 05:18 AM
Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>I received a couple of emails (thank you guys!). One confirmed its not from the Police Gazette, and the other said its a Brooklyn Eagle supplement and while very rare, its trimmed. <br /><br />I found alot of info only about the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper, but couldn't find any information at all about the supplements. Anyone have any info on these? Are they by chance in Lipset's Encyclopedia? I purchased one a week ago online but it hasn't come in yet. <br /><br />Thanks!<br />Rob<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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01-06-2008, 07:09 AM
Posted By: <b>martindl</b><p><br />While it is not the Police Gazette supplement, the image is identical to the 1913 Police Gazette issue i.e same photo, except that your image retains the stands and the person at left, whereas the Gazette only has Rucker. The Gazette issue has "copyright International News Service, New York" if that helps any.<br /><br /><br />