Slightly OT: 49 Bowman PCL question

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Say I was looking for a low grade example of the 49 Bowman Tom Seats card...Approximately how much would that set me back? I know this series is very tough, but how tough?

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>Problem is...the issue is so tough, that you typically either find them in groups, or you might not find them in the condition you want. A really nice shape one might set you back up to $500. But with cards from that set -- it is truly an issue of whether or not you even find the Seats card...not to mention the condition it may be in.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>finding them is the tough part. Some estimates place the total population at 2,000 cards, for the 36-card set<br /><br />condition will likely be in the VG range, and you could probably expect to pay $150-250 for that condition, I would think.<br /><br />Perhaps try contacting Mark Macrae, who I believe had a few not too long ago, or try Levi Bleam over at 707, who was able to hook me up with both of my cousins' cards in that set.<br /><br />edited to add: unfortunately, I don't know if there are "tough" cards in this issue. I would say they are all tough.<br />Ted Z is also quite an expert on this set as well, and I think he has collected this one a couple times over!

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>DAN B<br /><br />You have to be more specific about the condition you are looking for. Anyway, I have sold a lot of these cards<br /> and here are some prices......<br /><br />Good............hand cut = $50.....Factory cut = $100<br /><br />Very Good.....hand cut = $125.....Factory cut = $200<br /><br />Excellent.......Factory cut = $300<br /><br />Ex-Mint.........Factory cut = $500+<br /><br />All 36 cards in this set sell for approx. these prices....there is no card that has a premium over the others.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Thanks for the responses here. I am unconcerned about condition so a hand cut specimen in G shape would work just fine for me. If anyone has one that fits the bill let me know.

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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br /><br />We have been purveyors of rare cards for more than 30 years.<br /><br />We have always found the 1949 Bowman PCL to be among<br />the most difficult cards to obtain in an ultra high grade.<br /><br />Furthermore, there have long been a number of legandary<br />stories surrounding the distribution of the set.<br /><br />Pat Quinn and Don Steinhardt acquired a complete set<br />in "world class condition" back in 1977<br /><br />Goodwin Goldfaden, a dealer whose career began just<br />after the 2nd World War (first in Cleveland and then<br />famously in Los Angeles), told us that he bought and sold<br />more than 200 1949 Bowman PCLs.<br /><br />Today, only 365 cards have been graded by PSA.<br />Only 11.5% have received a grade of 8 or 9.<br /><br />Whilst few players appear to command premium prices,<br />ultra high (NQ examples) rarely surface. They generally<br />attract only a few bidders who compete fiercely.<br /><br />That said, we think it is "worth the difference" to acquire<br />a high grade sample.<br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>I have completed 2 of these PCL sets (36 cards each) and have sold another 2 sets worth of cards. All 144 cards<br /> were acquired by me during the 1980's. I seldom see these PCL cards available nowadays.<br /><br />Mark Macrae and I wrote an article on this PCL set in the VCBC magazine 10 years ago. In this article we tell of our<br /> experiences in finding these cards.<br /> This will surprise most of you....but, my experience acquiring many of these cards has been on the East coast...... <br />in particular in the greater Philadelphia area. I purchased several large original Bowman collections which included<br /> FACTORY CUT PCL's. The original owners of these cards recalled finding these PCL's in regular issue 1949 Bowman<br /> packs.<br /><br />These PCL cards, and especially a complete set of these 36 cards, has to be absolutely the most scarce issue in<br />the post-WWII era.<br /><br /><br /><br />Oakland Oaks pitcher Charlie "The Sheriff" Gassaway of Gassaway, Kentucky<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/gasspcl.jpg"><br /><br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Tough, tough issue. My one and only, have had it about a month or two:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/pclfront.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>I'm very proud to own these two!<br /><br />Bruce, I know these are below your radar, condition-wise, but we can drop the PSA POP report by 2, since I crossed these into SGC this year.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l289/smallcapdaddy/1949BowmanPCL-HandleySGC40.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l289/smallcapdaddy/1949BowmanPCL-LeeHandleySGC40.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Mastro April 2007 Auction had a SGC graded set that went for $46,870. I don't recall the grade breakdown but that is $1,300 per card.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>if that set wasn't high grade, then that is quite a premium applied to finding a complete set.<br />Given the scarcity of the issue, I'm sure that whatever the grade, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p><font color=blue>That set was almost straight 8's. I believe that it was the same set that sold in Mastro or REA a few years before that for a record $12-$13K at the time.</font><br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Shown here are 12 of the 36 cards in this PCL set (two more scans will follow).<br /><br /><br />Players identified left to right, top to bottom......<br /><br /><br />Lee Anthony......George "Cat" Metkovich......Ralph Hodgin<br /><br />Charlie "Sheriff" Gassaway......Tony Freitas......Gordon Maltzberger<br /><br />Ken Holcombe......Don Moss......Pete "Inky" Coscarat<br /><br />Lee "Jeep" Handley......Herman Besse......John Lazor<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/aaabowman12pcl.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />TED Z collection

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Beautiful cards, Ted. Thanks for posting them. Nice to see cards... it is about the cards, not the holders.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Shown here are 12 more of the 36 cards in this PCL set (one more scan will follow).<br /><br /><br />Players identified left to right, top to bottom......<br /><br /><br />George "Pinky" Woods......Mickey Grasso......Xavier Rescigno<br /><br />John "Swede" Jensen......Joyner "Jo-Jo" White......Harvey Storey<br /><br />Tony York......Jake Mooty......Charles "Red" Adams<br /><br />Eddie "Iron Man" Malone......Maurice Van Robays......Jim Tabor<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/abowman24pcl.jpg">"<br /><br /><br /><br />TED Z collection

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Hey guys....while those numbers for those sales set a precedent for this PCL set, they were realized in an auction<br /> situation and I'm not sure that they reflect a true market value for these cards.<br /><br />On the other hand, if true....then this country's economy is much better than the media "nay-sayers" are claiming<br /> with their "doom and gloom".<br /><br />TED Z<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Shown here is the last group of 12 of the 36 cards in this PCL set.<br /><br /><br />Players identified left to right, top to bottom......<br /><br /><br />Johnny Rucker......Jack "Suds" Brewer......Dominic Dallessandro<br /><br />Dick Lajeski......Albie Glossop......Frank Kelleher<br /><br />Les Scarsella......Joe Marty......Bill Raimondi<br /><br />Gene Handley......Tom Sears......Ora "Mickey" Burnett<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/abowman36pcl.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />TED Z collection

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Posted By: <b>Richard Cline - RC</b><p>Ted - I think that the "Joyner (Jo-Jo) White" card is one of the better looking cards I have seen. I am really not familiar with this set.<br /><br />He looks just like a guy who loves what he is doing.<br /><br />Thanks for sharing.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>RICHARD C<br /><br />Jo-Jo played for Detroit for many years in the 1930's. He ended his BB career in the PCL with the Seattle Raniers.....<br /> as their playing-Manager.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>Tough issue for sure. If anyone has any Portland player in any conditio, please give me a shout. Thanks.<br><br>"Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Jong