In a Hobby Where the Graded Card Rules...

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>...Why Do Some of Us Still Buy Ungraded Cards?<br /><br />Guys,<br /><br />This thread is for the dinosaurs among us who still buy ungraded cards. Also, if most of the cards on the internet are being sold graded, where do you find your ungraded cards?<br /><br />Peter C.<br /><br />P.S. My reason is that I loved my wax packs and I don't remember getting a graded card from a wax pack. Also, I go to the small local card shows to buy my ungraded cards.

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Posted By: <b>CN</b><p> Peter I just read your post and have no idea what you are talking about or what this post brings to the board. It just seems like you are rambling about something that popped into your head. Can you clarify what you mean in your post? Thanks CN

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>reasons why I seek out ungraded cards:<br /><br />-I feel I have the experience, knowledge to buy ungraded...unaltered cards<br />-they tend to be cheaper<br />-I do not participate in registries and I only grade cards to sell them<br />-I like to touch and smell my cards<br /><br />pete ullman in mn

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>CN,<br /><br />I just noticed that on the front page, most of the threads discuss graded cards, I'm just starting a thread for those that collect mostly raw cards.<br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>CN</b><p> Thanks for clarifying that Peter. CN

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Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>I just don't like the way cards look in slabs. <br /><br />I don't buy a lot of pre-war cards. I concentrate mostly on 50's through 70's and since I don't mind mid-condition cards it is easy for me to find raw cards on ebay. If it's a premium card like a Mantle or a Mays I only buy from sellers w/lots of positive feedback or with whom I've done business before. Occasionally I find a good deal on a graded card and when I do I crack open the slab.<br /><br />Howard

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Posted By: <b>Seth B.</b><p>Peter, First you're a newbie, now you're a "dinosaur"? First you ask about how to display your SGC cards next to your PSA cards, now you are a collector of raw cards? Since you are clearly trying to stir up whatever pops into your head without much regard as to how it might be something that this board cares about, let me direct you to just a number of the former posts asking this same question, often in a more coherent way:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1159996125/What+%25+of+your+collection+is+still+raw" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1159996125/What+%25+of+your+collection+is+still+raw</a>-<br /><br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126131607/Who+loves+raw+cards" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126131607/Who+loves+raw+cards</a>--<br /><br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1114948083/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1114948083/</a><br /><br />There are many more. You can use the search engine on the upper right hand corner. Why don't you chill out and start reading what other people have to say, then think through what you post. This is getting childish.<br /><br />Seth B.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Seth,<br /><br />I'm a dinosaur because I was buying wax packs when they were selling for .05, I'm a newbie because I've just begun learning about pre-war.<br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Seth,<br /> Is the topic not related to the board? Cool your jets, I find the topic interesting enough and have wondered the same thing myself. Save the bashing for one of Peter C.'s B.S. threads.<br /><br /> And being that those threads you posted links to are at least a year old, there are definitly going to be different people on the board now as opposed to then. Nothing wrong with getting their take on the matter.<br /><br />Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>Paul S</b><p>I'm pretty much with Peter U. on this...and there's a great deal to be said for being able to touch a card.<br /><br />Peter C - you don't have to be a dinosaur to buy ungraded. Since you go to card shows, you can see what real cards look like in person, even if in a holder, Just make sure you see a lot of them, up close, and be familiar with their peculiarites when the time comes to buy. Those who buy online aren't holding up a blacklight to their monitor. They are taking the usual precautions, such as Howard stated, visual, seller reputation, etc.

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Posted By: <b>Jerry Hrechka</b><p> Don't agree with the title - Raw cards are much more plentifull than graded cards, even (IMHO) higher grades.<br /> Collectors of modern cards play Wax Pack Lotto, Collectors of the high grade stuff play Grading Co. Lotto (Crack & ReSubmit), thereby distorting the pop reports. Just my opinion - not meant to offend anyone.

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Posted By: <b>marty quinn</b><p>peter,<br /> honestly, do you realy collect cards??? you say you need a scanner, $99 bucks at staples, thats an excuse, you ramble about your graded cards fitting in, then you chime in on graded card post's, now your a raw collector!! what's up? how many other forum's or chat room's do you invade? <br /><br /> "Also, if most of the cards on the internet are being sold graded, where do you find your ungraded cards?"<br /><br /> ?????? did you go onto ebay peter?, most cards are raw vs graded!!! what are you taliking about??<br /> <br /> "P.S. My reason is that I loved my wax packs and I don't remember getting a graded card from a wax pack."<br /><br /> gee pete, now that i think of it i remember getiing a psa 10 reggie right after my in action rad carew back in 1972.<br /> i think you got some bad packs, OF COURSE THIS IS A JOKE !!!<br /><br /> a few days ago there was a post on your favorite card, that was pete c's chance to post a scan (oh thats right no scanner $99 bucks , and your an attorney?? ) of your card to add to the post of a vintage card forum!! guess what, it didn't happen, not a surprise for many on here i am sure, buy you continue with post's like these?? i am sure your a swell guy pete, and would make a great drinking buddy, but just maybe you need to start better threads.

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Posted By: <b>keyway</b><p>Have to agree about the pop reports. They must be way off by now. Really there is no way to correct them. I break out cards all the time just as many others on here. In a way i wish company grading never started because it is nice to hold a card in hand. However with all the reprints and altered cards, it is definately needed.

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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Is it possible that Peter C has had at least a partial lobotomy? With each post I am move convinced than an EEG would demonstrate little to no brain activity. <br /><br />Greg

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Not trying to bash Peter, I actually find his threads somewhat amusing AT TIMES. However, Peter, I am asking you to name at least one pre-war card that you currently own (and a scan would be great too). I guess I don't see the draw of this forum for you as it doesn't seeem like you actually buy (or collect) pre-war. Just my thoughts<br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Not defending Peter C. here but not buying cards should not be a reason for someone not to come to the board. I haven't bought a single card since September when I picked up my last T-207 at a show. I won't be buying anymore cards until at least December 2008. My interest is high in this hobby, however it makes no sense for me to buy anything right now. This just keeps me in the game on any knowledge that pops up.<br><br>Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>I'm not stating he has to curently be buying anything, I just wonder if he actually collects pre-war baseball cards, which is what this forum is all about (at least that was my understanding). If he doesn't, then I am merely stating that I don't understand what he is doing here. He seems to be pretty passionate about something (still trying to figure out what) but it seems like there might be a forum (somewhere) more in line with what he actually collects. He is obviously an intellient person, as he has stated he is an attorney, just not really understanding his draw to our little neck of the woods. Ultimately, it doesn't matter to me whether he stays here or not, and I am by no means always bashing him as this is the first time I have ever responded to a single one of his threads. <br /><br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Rhett,<br /><br />I do in fact have almost 50 pre-war cards, however, it's a pittance compared to most others on this board. Plus, none of them are particularily rare. Although I post at work, I hesitate to scan baseball cards. I do think the other attorneys in the office might frown on that. LOL.<br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>shane leonard</b><p>Peter, <br />It tells a lot about your collection if you buy your cards at a card shop. Do you have one of those awesome 1/5 numbered cards that you can share with us?<br /><br />Shane

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Peter,<br />Although I post at work during the day also...I do still find 10-15 minutes at night after a few cards have arrived at the house to do some scanning there. And again..$99 bucks shouldn't be an issue for someone with your job is it? Tomorrow is Sunday, go by the freaking scanner, and scan some cards in at home...if you actually posted some of your own and asked questions about them, I'm sure you'd actually get some throught provoking returns.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Shane, what exactly does it tell us about a collection if it is obtained through a card shop?

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>the title of this thread indicates peter c has seen the geico commercial with the don lafontain narative. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>I'd be curious about Shane's comment as well. Though I don't buy my vintage at card shops, every once in awhile I still like to dabble in some new stuff and will buy my cards from those shops. I know I can get them cheaper off ebay but I like to do my little bit to help out the actual brick and mortar place.<br><br>Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>This post is the one that bothers me a little. How does this involve this pre war family we try to maintain here. It is time you do grow up a little. This is an absolutely silly post.