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Posted By: <b>nbrazil</b><p>Bear with me...<br /><br />I'm a numbers guy and like to frame ideas and thoughts in data. There has been a lot of talk on these boards about how one grading company is better than another. What do these opinions look like from a numerical perspective?<br /><br />From a scale of 1 to 10, rate the following grading companies according to your confidence in the company's ability to correctly grade pre war cards. A one represents no confidence whatsoever...I would NEVER send a pre war card to this company. A 10 represents 100% confidence...I would not hesitate to have any pre war card sent to this company for grading. A five represents neutrality...I have some confidence in the company's ability to correctly grade a pre war card, but have an equal amount of reservation.<br /><br />Here are the companies...<br /><br />BVG<br />GAI<br />PSA<br />SGC<br /><br />Once I get a critical mass of responses, I'll summarize how the board, from a numerical perspective, feels about each company. This is not meant to be scientific in any sense of the word...just personal curiosity.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>SGC = 10<br />PSA = 7<br />BVG = 5<br />GAI = 0<br /><br />Edited to Add:<br />GAI originally got a 1 in my tally, but I docked them a point for not staying in business consistently. Alledgedly.

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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>PSA - 9 (90% confidence)<br />SGC - 9<br />GAI - 8<br />BVG - 8

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>SGC - 9<br />PSA - 5<br />BVG - 5<br />GAI - 3<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Marc S.</b><p>SGC - 92 / 8.5<br />PSA - 8<br />BVG - 3 (as I've seen them miss alterations)<br />GAI - 1.5

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>SGC 9<br />PSA 9<br />GAI 8<br />BVG 5<br /><br />According to your instructions, we are to rate confidence in the company's ability to correctly grade pre war cards. Customer service would be rated a little differently.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>SGC - 9<br />PSA - 8<br />GAI - 2<br />BVG - 1<br />

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Posted By: <b>nbrazil</b><p>"Customer service would be rated a little differently."<br /><br />Yes...disregard customer service. Just the company's ability to correctly grade the card.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>sgc - 9<br />bvg - 6<br />psa - 5<br />gai - 3<br /><br />I rate bvg slightly higher than psa only because I believe Im more likely to get an undergraded card rather than an overgraded card from them. That card can then be safely crossed to sgc. I have very little confidence in psa graded cards - particularly those graded higher than a 4.

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>since that is the service they are providing.

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Posted By: <b>Rob Dewolf</b><p>SGC -- 8<br /><br />PSA -- 7<br /><br />BVG -- 4<br /><br />GAI -- 3

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>SGC - 8<br />PSA - 8<br />GAI - 7<br />BVG - 6<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>steve</b><p>PSA - only one I send to - gets best prices (generally)<br /><br />SGC - gladly buy, but too tough to send in cards<br /><br />BVG - blue moon occasion - will buy card, not case - never send<br /><br />GAI - too much other stuff to gamble - bad crossover experience going to PSA - never send<br /><br />steve

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>BVG (I have no experience with this company)<br />GAI 6<br />PSA 6<br />SGC 9<br /><br />Though you didn't ask:<br /><br />PRO 1<br />CSA 2<br />

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Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>BVG = 3<br />GAI = 3<br />PSA = 8<br />SGC = 8<br /><br />As to high end stuff (PSA 6-7 or better) my confidence is much lower on vintage cards for all companies, due to the liklihood of card alterations and the money involved.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>SGC - 9<br />PSA - 7<br />BVG - 6<br />GAI - 4<br /><br /><br /><br />I started to rank GAI a bit better... but then it seems that they get sent cards with problems more often than the other guys, when the submitter has hopes of just getting the card into a slab. Once slabbed, some buyers buy the slab instead of the card, to their own detriment.

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Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>imo, "grading" a card is fairly easy. its just the condition the card is in. all of them can do it well, but some are more consistent than others.<br /><br />SGC - 9 (tough graders, miss very little IMO)<br />PSA - 6 (occasionally overgrade, IMO)<br />GAI - 5 (inconsistent)<br />BVG - 7 (before going to BVG, Beckett did well at grading vintage cards and were tough - I'd give them a 9 - but they are much more lenient with their more recent BVG system and sometimes inconsistent)<br /><br />some side notes:<br />1) the above is just "grading". determining authenticity is a different subject. i'd put the most trust in SGC, then BVG, then PSA, then GAI.<br />2) slab LOOKS, i'd rate them SGC by a long shot, then PSA, then GAI and BVG<br />3) slab protection, i like BVG the best. you don't have to worry if your beckett slab has been tampered with, cuz the thing is bulletproof. Though I've never tried tampering with a slab, the general consensus seems to be PSA is next-toughest, and SGC is pretty easy to get into. no idea about GAI.<br /><br />Rob<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />

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Posted By: <b>keyway</b><p>SGC=9.5 CSA=8.5 PSA=8 GAI=7.5 BGS=5 Since I have no faith in BGS grading of early cards I gave them a low grade.

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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>GAI 9<br />PSA-8<br />SGC-8<br />Beckett-2

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>SGC 9<br />PSA 7<br />BVG 4<br />GAI 2

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>keyway - you have more confidence in a CSA slab then a PSA slab?

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Posted By: <b>Turner Engle</b><p>SGC 9<br />PSA 8<br />BVG 5<br />GAI 2

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Posted By: <b>bigfish</b><p>SGC 10 out of 10 - top notch<br />PSA 5 out of 10 - too many mistakes. Example: paperloss on the PSA 5/6 example. A few examples in current auctions.<br />BVG 4 out of 10. Getting better in my opinion.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Erick Lewin</b><p>SGC - 9.5 The Best<br />PSA - 8<br />GAI - 6.5<br />BVG - 5 due to inexperience in pre war (would rate 8 or 9 for new cards)

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Is it Monday yet?

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Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>Leon, this might be a stupid question, but what's happening on Monday?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Sort of an inside Net54 board joke. GAI was supposed to be open for business several Mondays ago. A few Mondays passed and nadda. So it's sort of a running joke "Is it Monday yet?" I understand they are supposed to be back open now but I haven't really heard anything more. regards

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p><br />SGC...9<br />PSA...8 not happy lately<br />GAI...5 overgrade imo<br />BVG...5 good value when they're right, still grading reprints???

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>SGC 9<br />PSA 7<br />GAI 5*<br />BVG 4<br /><br />* assuming they are still in business.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Mt. Joy</b><p><br />PSA 8<br />SGC 8<br />GAI 4<br />BVG 2<br />

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Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p><br /><br />PSA - 8. More likely to get an overgraded card.<br />SGC - 7. More likely to get an undergraded card.<br />GAI - 1. Can't be trusted at this point.<br />BVG - 1. There has to be a reason for the card not sitting in a real holder.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>SGC 8.5 (Knocked down a notch for their nasty habit of undergrading cards - a wrong grade is a wrong grade - but otherwise great)<br />PSA 8 (used to be better, but I think sheer volume has taken its tole on consistency. WIsh they would have designated graders for different eras of cards.)<br />GAI 2.5 (Don't trust them on so many levels).<br />BVG ?? (Never used them, never owned a card graded by them)<br /><br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Jerry Hrechka</b><p> SGC - 8<br /> PSA - 7<br /> GAI - 3<br /> BVG - 3<br /><br /> Then there are the guys who decide what mistakes the above 4 make & what grades do the "Graders of the graders" get, but that's whole 'nother thread.

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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>SGC = 9.5<br />PSA = 9.0<br />SCD = 9.0 (the old SCD)<br />GAI = 7.0<br />BVG = 7.0<br />

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Posted By: <b>David B</b><p>SGC 10 - Was going to go 9 but with their guarantee can't go wrong. Could be less harsh grading certain issues. The company I trust above all others.<br />PSA 7 - Have seen more overgraded cards from PSA than the others.<br />GAI 4 - Was a 6 until the recent events.<br />BVG 6 - With reservations. Only owned a few but they were accurately graded.<br /><br />Just my humble opinion

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Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>SGC - 9 (Harsh graders but still the best by a mile)<br />PSA - 7 (Due mostly to poor customer service)<br />GAI - 6 (I still have no problem buying a GAI card)<br />BVG - 1 (Not confident with their expertise when it comes to pre war)<br /><p>Tony<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p><br />SGC 9 Tough, but consistent<br />PSA 6 Re$ale, but agree with tendency to overgrade<br />BVG 5<br />GAI 5, if buying...<br />GAI 1, if slabbing my own

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>BVG N/A<br />GAI 2 <br />PSA 4<br />SGC 6<br />

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Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p>I'll bite as well (from the perspective of 19th century sets). . .<br /><br /><b>SGC 8.5</b> The best, but no one gets it right all the time, even SGC has room to improve.<br /><b>PSA 4.5</b> PSA just doesn't understand OJ & GQ, two of my favorite sets. With greater frequency than the others, they mis-label, grade altered, and don't even try to hide how clueless they are. Case in point, the N173 Connor on eBay (not the GQ mistake that lists a small GQ as large). PSA decided to list the pose which is a cool idea but "BATTING OUTDOOR SCENE"??, come on! Connor has 3 batting poses, all shot in a studio indoors. The correct pose description (Cartophilic listing) would be "Bat at ready, L/profile". There is a good reason why a much smaller SGC has graded more than twice as many OJs than PSA. Unless something drastically changes to either SGC or PSA, that gap will only grow.<br /><b>GAI 6.0</b> A host of issues themselves but certainly better than PSA if for no other reason that their cards don't slip around.<br /><b>BVG ?.?</b> I don't have enough experience with BVG to fairly grade them.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Joe Gonsowski

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>SGC 9<br />PSA 6<br />BVG 2<br />GAI 0<br />PRO 0

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>SGC = 4<br />PSA = 3<br />SCD (red label) = 2<br />BVG = 2<br />KSA = 1<br />ASA = 1<br />Old CSA = 1<br />PRO = 0<br />GAI = 0

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Posted By: <b>George</b><p>SGC 9<br />PSA 7 (not consistent in my opinion)<br />GAI 4 (most GAI graded cards I have either look trimmed or do not fit the grade)<br />BVG 2 <br />PRO -10 (not on the list but have a 1 PRO beauty graded a whopping 9.5...NOT!)

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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>descriptively but my hierarchy/ranking a bit different:<br /><br />SGC - 9. More likely to get an undergraded card.<br />PSA - 6. More likely to get an overgraded card.<br />GAI - 2. Can't be trusted at this point.<br />BVG - 1. There has to be a reason for the card not sitting in a real holder. My one and only experience - I own one N29 in BVG and it looks pretty good to me. I never saw the card out of the holder however).<br />CSA/ASA/PRO and a host of others - (-9)<br />You are REALLY taking chances with the others<br /><br />my biggest problem with SGC is that I think their grades are a bit harsh when it comes to differentiating what deserves to be lowered and to what degree... example might be a card with all the atributes of a nearmint card in the N28 series given a 30 for a head-of-a-pin sized spot of loss on a blank portion of the reverse - or some of my N43's in clearly exmt condition (or better!) save a lightly penciled "7" on the back graded "40". I erased the mark on the back of one with an eracer and with a special powder on the other. One got a "40" and the other a "30". Still feel they are the most diligent.......<br /><br />(edited for clarity)

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Someone with nothing but time on their hands should tally these stats for an overall average of each. Dan.

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Posted By: <b>1880nonsports</b><p>and little life.<br /><br />THE RESULTS:<br /><br />SGC - head and shoulders abopve the rest. Buy SGC for your collection of pre-war baseball cards.<br /><br />PSA - for now continue to sell PSA but see above as confidence wanes and the gap narrows. They are a high volume service and don't pay enough attention to the details. Sole issue as I see it is the registry.<br /><br />The rest - ya pays ya money and takes ya chances..... Buy the card but FEAR the holder.....<br />

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Posted By: <b>steve yawitz</b><p>SGC - 8<br />PSA - 5<br />BVG - 5<br />GAI - 2<br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Mine November 27 2007, 1:42 PM <br />********************<br /><br />SGC - 92 / 8.5<br />PSA - 8<br />BVG - 3 (as I've seen them miss alterations)<br />GAI - 1.5 <br />**********************<br /><br />Funny stuff Mark S !!!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>PSA 8<br />SGC 7<br />BECKETT 5<br />GAI 1<br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>SGC: 9 (the best by far in my opinion)<br />PSA: 7 (not nearly as consistent as SGC)<br />GAI: 5 (why do they treat paper loss so differently than SGC and PSA?)<br />BVG: n/a

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>If GAI's Mike Baker is almost universally recognized as the best grader in the slab world, it seems strange that GAI routinely gets the lowest grades from all the posters here. Granted Baker doesn't grade ALL the cards, but still, what gives?

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Posted By: <b>Lance</b><p>Here's a complete list of Grading Companies listed at Trading Card Central:<br /><br />AGS - Advanced Grading Specialists <br /><br />ASA - Accugrade, Inc. <br /><br />BGS - Beckett Grading Services <br /><br />BSGS - BearStats, Inc. <br /><br />Collectionmonster - Card Collector Services, Inc. <br /><br />CTA - CTA Grading Experts <br /><br />FGS - Finest Grading Service <br /><br />GAI - Global Authentication Inc. <br /><br />GMC - Grade My Cards <br /><br />KSA - KSA Sport Card Certification Service <br /><br />MAP - MAP Industries <br /><br />MINT - Mint Grading Service <br /><br />NASA - North American Sportscard Authenticators <br /><br />PGS - Professional Grading Services <br /><br />PRO - PRO Sports Grading Inc. <br /><br />PSA - Professional Sports Authenticator <br /><br />PS Grading <br /><br />SGC - Sportscard Guaranty <br /><br />TFA - The Final Authority <br /><br />WCG - World Class Grading, Inc. <br /> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/grading.php" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.tradingcardcentral.com/grading.php</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Bob - For starters:<br /><br />1. GAI is too inconsistent - perhaps because Mike doesnt grade enough of the cards and the other graders arent worth a you know what.<br /><br />2. There is no gaurantee that GAI will be in business next year - let alone next week.<br /><br />3. GAI was less than forthcoming(ie church move, etc) regarding their recent shutdown and that has caused most everyone to lose some trust/faith in the company and once issues started being raised, they never came on this board to explain.<br /><br />4. GAI graded cards generally sell for less than psa and sgc.<br /><br />5. The holders are ugly.<br /><br />6. They dont have a registry despite promising one for several years.<br /><br />7. Their website has no pop report (at least that Im aware of).<br /><br />8. They lose cards routinely.<br /><br />9. They apparently broker deals for cards that you send in to them for grading.<br /><br />10. Although I believe the problem has been fixed, their earlier slabs had problems with cards slipping out of the gasket. It took a long time to fix that problem despite constant promises to rectify.<br /><br />Thats all I can think of for now.<br /><br />Edited to add: While Mike may be a very fine grader and recognized as such, Ive only heard one or two people on this board consistently refer to him as the "greatest" or "best" grader in the slab world. I question whether their opinion is justified and on what facts it is based.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>SGC - 9.5 More likely to get an "undergraded" card because they hammer paper loss and writing on the back. What really is undergraded though?.... <br /><br />PSA - 6. More likely to get an overgraded card. Most pre-war stuff I have pulled out of a PSA holder has been taken down a few grades. I find with PSA 1-2 though they are often undergraded. <br />I wouldn't trust them with a tricky issue or a odd variation.<br /><br /><br />BVG - 3. I have bought a few cards in there holders and poped them out with a grade or two increase. I would never use them for a pre-war card but I haven't had or seen any problems. <br /><br /><br />GAI - 1. Can't be trusted at this point. Umm yea and every card I have gotten it one of there holders has had problems and has been grossly overgraded by a couple of grades.<br /><br />SGC is by far and away the best IMO.<br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Eric Brehm</b><p>I probably do have too much time on my hands, but I'm such a numbers geek I had to tally the results.<br /><br />The average scores so far:<br /><br />SGC - 8.6 (38 votes)<br />PSA - 6.9 (38 votes)<br />BVG - 4.0 (33 votes)<br />GAI - 3.9 (34 votes)

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Posted By: <b>Neal Kane</b><p>PSA 9<br />SGC 9 <br />BVG 5 - best holder? best grading system? <br />GAI 0 - too much of a risk to not get the card back. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>"If GAI's Mike Baker is almost universally recognized as the best grader in the slab world, it seems strange that GAI routinely gets the lowest grades from all the posters here. Granted Baker doesn't grade ALL the cards, but still, what gives?"<br /><br /><br />What gives is that people aren't answering the question at hand. Instead of answering "how confident are you that a card in their holder s graded correctly?" people are answering "how confident are you in sending in a card to them for grading?"<br /><br />I would also add that the question should be refined to clarify if what is being asked is "if a card slabbed as a 7 is AT LEAST a 7" or "if a card slabbed as a 7 is EXACTLY a 7" since it seems people feel SGC under-grades yet still rate them a 9.

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Posted By: <b>Jon</b><p>SGC - 8 (best looking slab, quality)<br />PSA - 6 (would prefer .5 grades)<br />BVG - 5 (thick slab)<br />GAI - 3 (recent problems lowered this grade)<br /><br />GAI is still the only grader of rack packs. BVG is pretty fast and easy, but I don't like the ultra thick slabs. PSA seems to bring the highest resale, but .5 grades would be better. SGC has always been my personal favorite. I'm glad they are scoring well on this board.<br /><br /><img src="http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd248/br1216/4graders.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Mark Holt</b><p>SGC - 8<br />PSA - 7<br />GAI - 0 (it'll go up a notch on Monday)<br />BVG - 0 (we'll grade cards, set prices online and in magazines, oh and then we'll sell them - move along, no conflict of interest here...)

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Posted By: <b>Jerry Spillman</b><p><br />SGC 8.5 Tough graders - Consistent on mid and high grades<br />SCD 8.5 Fair graders - Started too late<br />PSA 7 Inconsistencies in grading - Best card description <br />GAI 4 Authentication without knowledge<br />ASA -10<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Matt said:<br /><br />"What gives is that people aren't answering the question at hand. Instead of answering "how confident are you that a card in their holder s graded correctly?" people are answering "how confident are you in sending in a card to them for grading?"<br /><br />I would also add that the question should be refined to clarify if what is being asked is "if a card slabbed as a 7 is AT LEAST a 7" or "if a card slabbed as a 7 is EXACTLY a 7" since it seems people feel SGC under-grades yet still rate them a 9."<br /><br />I disagree with this assertion. If you read the comments, you will see that most people believe sgc to be the most accurate of the grading companies - even if it means that the card is going to get a lower grade than they expect. Most who comment that sgc undergrades are refering to how they kill paperloss and writing on a card. True, these cards are usually going to get no better than a 30 no matter how good the rest of the card looks. However, if you look at sgc's grading criteria, they are getting the exact grade that they should based on sgc's own standards. They are very consistent with their grades and that is why they rate a 9. I will also add, in most instances, when Ive received a card back from sgc that was lower than expected or wouldnt cross, on second review, Ive found the defect that justified the grade. <br />

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Josh - your own post above lists 10 reasons people are rating GAI lower. 9 of those 10 reasons have 0 to due with their ability to accurately grade cards. Not sure what your stance is...<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prillaman</b><p>The average scores so far:<br /><br />SGC - 8.6 (38 votes)<br />PSA - 6.9 (38 votes)<br />BVG - 4.0 (33 votes)<br />GAI - 3.9 (34 votes)<br /><br /><br />So what I am seeing here is -- an 8.6 means collectively we think SGC gets it wrong 14% of the time -- that's 1 in 7 <br /><br />PSA gets it wrong 3 times out 10?? <br /><br />If the best company misses 1 in 7 times why are we even sending stuff in to be graded? <br /><br />I think some of us might be focusing on a few cards that mistakes are made on and not taking into account the volume of cards that are correctly graded -- or maybe are looking at our confidence in the company in making up for mistakes or customer service or something else.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Matt,<br /><br />I responded to your post regarding sgc being rated a 9. As far as gai is concerned, I was responding to Tbob's question and with respect to GAI, I believe that its impossible to separate their grading from their other problems given the recent past.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Josh - you quoted 2 points of mine - one an explanation of why people where grading GAI so low and another a request to refine the original question. If I understand you correctly, you are now saying that you were disagreeing with my second comment, but all my second comment contained was a request for clarification, so I'm not sure what you disagree with.

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Ok, let me spell this out:<br /><br />1. I disagree with your implication regarding sgc and why they are getting 9s. Specifically that we must be considering something other than grading alone if SGC undergrades cards.<br />2. I disagree with your comment that people arent answering the question - except to the extent that GAI is being more harshly graded than I think they otherwise would due to their recent closing. That said, I think GAI would still come in last among the big 3 and possibly even behind bvg even if they had not closed their doors for a week and lost everyone's confidence. I think this would be true even if the only focus was their grading ability because for all of Mike's purported expertise (of which I dont have any first hand knowledge) GAI still mostly gets it wrong from what Ive observed, heard from others, etc.

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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Josh said: "1. I disagree with your implication regarding sgc and why they are getting 9s. Specifically that we must be considering something other than grading alone if SGC undergrades cards.<br />2. I disagree with your comment that people arent answering the question - except to the extent that GAI is being more harshly graded than I think they otherwise would due to their recent closing. That said, I think GAI would still come in last among the big 3 and possibly even behind bvg even if they had not closed their doors for a week and lost everyone's confidence. I think this would be true even if the only focus was their grading ability because for all of Mike's purported expertise (of which I dont have any first hand knowledge) GAI still mostly gets it wrong from what Ive observed, heard from others, etc."<br /><br />Josh<br />I never claimed point #1 - I was answering why GAI was getting low grades not why SGC was getting high ones.<br />Regarding your second point - you say you disagree and then in the same sentence you agree - if people are grading GAI lower because of their recent customer service fiasco then they're not answering the question of being accurate graders - they're answering a question about confidence in sending them cards which was exactly my point.<br /><br />I don't think continuing our conversation has any value to the other board denizens, so we can continue offline if you want.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>PSA and SGC .............10<br /><br />SCD (old).................8<br /><br />Beckett (not BCCG)........6<br /><br />GAI......................0<br /><br /><br />IMO<br /><br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Josh Siegel</b><p>PSA typically brings the most money with SGC in second regarding prices realized. Beckett and GAI are close third prior to Global's recent status regarding prices. Sometimes the customer service at PSA is so lacking that a sharpie and a screwdown holder is better. When it comes to agreeing with grades I would rate:<br /><br />SGC 8<br />PSA 6<br />GAI 6<br />Beckett 5<br />SCD negative 2<br /><br />Hopefully GAI cards can be bought for a bargain and crossed over to another company after they finally announce they are closing their doors in about three months.