Potentially Dumb T215 Pirate Question

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Posted By: <b>James Feagin</b><p>Why are Pirate baseball cards (and non sports for that matter) widely regarded as T215? I checked out the ACC today and that designation is exclusively for Red Cross. They seem to be identical in checklist to the T213-T215 in checklist. Shouldn't Pirates be more appropriately designated as T-UNC?<br /><br />James

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>James,<br />Not a dumb question at all. I have researched it and asked it also. Burdick nor Sugar (Sports Collectors Bible) listed it at all, let alone as T215. I don't know where the designation came from and last time I asked about it on the board all I got was crickets chirping <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. I look forward to an answer but am not optimistic....regards (Stirling used a whole different numbering system)

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I think it's a question without a definitive answer. Maybe they simply made a mistake.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I got an email this evening from a hobby veteran, who would prefer to stay anonymous, which stated the designation came from Edward Wharton-Tigar. regards

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Is it because they have the same checklists - or close to the same checklists? I don't know the answer to that, but it may have been part of the reasoning. <br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koochin</b><p>I was told (many years ago now) the designation came from Sir Edgar Wharton-Tigar.<br /><br />I'm not in favor of the 'modern revision' of looking at the back for five seconds,<br />it's Wills, so its not American, and therefore doesn't belong as a T215. <br /><br />The checklists are identical, the pictured subjects are identical. There is no <br />reason for Wills to issue a baseball card set whatsoever, nevermind one of the<br />most obscure New Orleans issues. The idea of the inclusion of baseball cards,<br />in Pirate brand tobacco (for issue to US servicemen overseas) came from P. Lorillard<br />New Jersey. <br /><br />perhaps those on the board more familiar with lithography, could comment on whether<br />the fronts were printed in New Jersey (possibly the backs later), or if UK lithograph<br />presses could produce identical cards with all the same exact colors, paper stock/size.<br />Seems time consuming to me to gather all the pictures, proofs, printing plates, ship them<br />over from the US, set up a new press in the UK , and start all over again - when you could<br />just ship the cards over. <br /><br /><br /> <br /> <br />