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10-19-2007, 03:26 PM

Posted By: bruce DorskindNow that Joe has turned down George's insulting offer, the field appears to be wide open. What's your best guess.... And will Mariano and Posada be back? Our pick is Joe Girardi and our guess is that Rivera comes back and Jorge Posada goes to the METS Bruce Dorskind America's Toughest Want List

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10-19-2007, 03:27 PM

Posted By: robMattingly - manager Posada - yes Mo - no

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10-19-2007, 03:28 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliI can see George bringing Bill Parcells back to New York. -Al

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10-19-2007, 03:30 PM

Posted By: MattBruce Dorskind

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10-19-2007, 03:31 PM

Posted By: anthonyi think the opposite about posada & rivera...posada's a .330+ switch hitter & better than average catcher and jaba or whatever his name is, will move right into rivera's spot...imo as for manager, havent a clue just yet

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10-19-2007, 03:34 PM

Posted By: Cat (ret.)Mattingly will manage and the only thing I know about their roster is that they will spend a lot of money on guys that used to be able to play good ball.

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10-19-2007, 03:43 PM

Posted By: George H. CounterHey Bruce, can WE be the yanks co-managers?

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10-19-2007, 03:44 PM

Posted By: David DavisI hope it is Mattingly. As a lifelong Yankees hater, I would love to see the Mattingly curse continue (no WS during his tenure as a player or coach). As one of Bill Simmons readers once wrote, "somewhere in the Bronx is a 6 year old child wondering if the Yankees will win a World Series in his lifetime". May the curse continue.

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10-19-2007, 03:45 PM

Posted By: Marc S.Torre's offer for 2008 was on the order of $30,000 PER GAME, a salary that exceeds that of the average player by more than 150%. He hasn't taken the highest-paid team (by a lot) in baseball to a World Series victory in seven seasons. I firmly believe that the Yankees were being generous in their offer to Torre, and think they should have instead not offered him anything...looking to find a new way to make the organization actually win when it counts. ~marc

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10-19-2007, 03:47 PM

Posted By: barrysloateWow- this is the first I heard of it. Is Torre officially gone? I say the team should self manage. If they need a pitching change, they take a quick vote to decide who comes in.

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10-19-2007, 03:52 PM

Posted By: Jim VBBarry, They offered him a cut in pay from $7.5 million to $5.0 million plus some bonus money for advancing in the playoffs. Joe said thanks, but no thanks.

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10-19-2007, 03:52 PM

Posted By: dennis<a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071018&content_id=2271234&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071018&content_id=2271234&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb</a> it's the YANKEES...they need a high profile guy, tony larussa

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10-19-2007, 03:57 PM

Posted By: Chris CountsI'd be surprised if they took a chance on Mattingly ... There are no doubt better experienced candidates out there ... What about Davey Johnson? He's managed the Mets to a championship, so New Yorks fans will accept him. And he's had success in Baltimore and Cincy as well ... I suspect Bobby Valentine's name will come up as well, but I think Johnson's a better manager ...

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10-19-2007, 03:58 PM

Posted By: Jimmyinsulting offer to him and the fans in New York, even though I am a Red Sox fan I respect the team and manager Most likely will be Tony Larussa or they will at least make him an offer Jimmy

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10-19-2007, 04:21 PM

Posted By: barrysloate$5 million would still have made him the highest paid manager in baseball. I guess after 12 years, it was time for him to leave, and time for the Yankees to make a change. Mattingly would be a good fit, but it may not be him.

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10-19-2007, 04:26 PM

Posted By: jay woltBarry - and add up to $3 million in incentives that could pay him $8 million for the season. There are 14 mangers that make a million $ or less incl Willie Randolph & Clint Hurdle. Terry Francona gets $1.6 mill Mike Scoscia $2 million Tony LaRussa $2.8 mill and Lou Piniella now leads the majors w/ $3.5 million. $5 million as a base pay still ain't bad w/ another million to make the playoffs another mill to make the Championship series and another mill to get to the World Series

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10-19-2007, 04:28 PM

Posted By: barrysloateLen Berman spoke with him today, and part of Torre's response was "enough is enough." Nothing lasts forever, and it was time.

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10-19-2007, 04:32 PM

Posted By: Paul SWow, I'm just hearing it here. I wanted Joe back, but the organization found a smart way to get rid of him. 5M is nothing to sneeze at, so Joe'd look bad if he scoffs too much. I'd go for Girardi over Mattingly. Can't stand LaRussa. I'd keel over if they brought Buck back.

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10-19-2007, 04:38 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWhile I like Torre, $5 mil plus incentives is hardly a slap in the face. He quit because he had enough plain and simple. Yanks would be insane to hire Mattingly who has never managed anything. Girardi, a recent NL Manager of the Year is ready, willing and able. Posada certainly comes back, Mo maybe -- after all, Jaba is ready for the job.

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10-19-2007, 04:39 PM

Posted By: peter chaoIt would be a mistake for Mattingly to take the manager's job. So far he's the Yankee's "golden boy." Once Donnie became the manager he may quickly lose that status. Peter C.

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10-19-2007, 04:52 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman"It would be a mistake for Mattingly to take the manager's job. So far he's the Yankee's "golden boy." Once Donnie became the manager he may quickly lose that status." So he should pass up a job like Manager of the Yankees because he's afraid of failure? I guess sitting around being the "golden boy" really pays well and does wonders for one's self-esteem. Peter, do you think there is a professional athlete in existence that has such a fear of failure?

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10-19-2007, 04:59 PM

Posted By: Erick LewinI'm pretty upset about this, but i thought this may happen. Torre was great for New York. I think he'd make a great commisioner, but only time will tell. I really dont know who will get the nod. Mattingly has or had the best shot, yet it's rumored that he said he wasn't ready yet. Girardi is another option, although i don't think they'll go that route. Girardi and Steinbrenner(s) feuds may dwarf the old ones of Billy Martin and the Boss. I personally don't like Larussa so i hope not. Another name i haven't heard mentioned anywhere that is within the organization is Larry Bowa who has managerial experience. I don't know if he's a canidate though. In the end i don't know ...With a gun to my head I'd have to pick Mattingly now...but I really don't know. I hope they stay within the organization though. Maybe Paul O'neill as the new bench or hitting coach? I think he'd wake the bats up! ...not to mention a few gatorade jugs!

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10-19-2007, 05:08 PM

Posted By: Ed IveyNew manager. Bucky F. Dent or stump merrill

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10-19-2007, 05:10 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCi'm with ya jay & jeff (the offer was far from a slap in the face, he just had enough of george)... overall, i'm sad to see joe go...

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10-19-2007, 05:11 PM

Posted By: Ken W.Sports talk folks around here in SW Missouri think LaRussa will probably remain with St. Louis for one more year. It will depend on who they hire for GM, but that's the scuttlebutt. Frankly, it would be a hoot to see "The Genius" spar with the NY media. LaRussa is about as surly as one can get after a tough loss. Edited to add: A lot of Cardinal fans are hoping Torre comes to the Cards. I'm not one of them. St. Louis needs someone young and hungry to rebuild a horribly flat program.

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10-19-2007, 05:18 PM

Posted By: Dave STo quote a Yankee, "It ain't over till it's over".. George and Joe will end up working it out..

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10-19-2007, 05:19 PM

Posted By: Todd SchultzLaRussa is such a genius he'll probably go back to batting his pitcher 8th again, even in the American League. God that guy is an overrated tool. Agree though, it would be fun to have him educate and enlighten the New York fans on how the game should be played. That would provide quite a few yuks (or yucks).

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10-19-2007, 05:20 PM

Posted By: Fred CTorre

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10-19-2007, 05:20 PM

Posted By: peter chaoJeff, I wouldn't really call it fear of failure, it's simply that Donnie may want to preserve his status as "golden boy." Mattingly was pretty close to being a superstar in his day, and few superstars manage, the ones that do normally aren't that successful as managers. Peter C.

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10-19-2007, 05:21 PM

Posted By: Patrick McMenemyAs a diehard Red Sox fan, I have nothing but respect for Joe Torre. He's a class act. This will be the George S's biggest mistake. Without Torre's experience, I predict that Tampa Bay will end next year ahead of the Yankees. Patrick

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10-19-2007, 05:22 PM

Posted By: Danny GrimesTommy John, send him up from the minors <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-19-2007, 05:24 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanPeter, what does being "golden boy" pay? I'm just curious: do "golden boys" just hang out and be "golden boys" the rest of their lives or do they try to get the best managing job in baseball? Mattingly is ill-prepared for the job; I'd be shocked if it was even offered to him. Girardi is the most common-sensical choice.

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10-19-2007, 05:29 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneCome on people lets put that New York twist on it!! The mets change thier mind and take Joe and Willie comes back to the Yankees! What do you think about that!!

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10-19-2007, 05:32 PM

Posted By: Todd SchultzGirardi would make some sense. It would be interesting to see the dynamic between the supposedly retiring Steinbrenner and a manager who basically told his last boss to STFU. In all events, I think Mattingly and Guidry are gone, maybe others too.

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10-19-2007, 05:32 PM

Posted By: Ricky YI would say Girardi with Mattingly a close second. I just can't see LaRussa dealing with the NY media and with Steinbrenner breathing down his neck although I think he would relish the challenge. Ricky Y

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10-19-2007, 05:33 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanTodd, according to the NY papers, Guidry has already been let go and Mattingly will stay (but that was in a Torre administration). I suppose whoever gets hired now will bring his own staff in.

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10-19-2007, 05:38 PM

Posted By: peter chaoGuys, I agree that Girardi makes more sense as the next NY manager. I'm not sure what Donnie's currently making but I doubt if he's hurting for money. Peter C.

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10-19-2007, 05:48 PM

Posted By: Fred CTorre

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10-19-2007, 05:53 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanFred, you sound like Billy Mumphrey, a cockeyed optimist who got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue. Torre obviously isn't looking for more money, he's looking for less Steinbrenners. Knowing his recent luck the Steinbrenners will sell the team tomorrow -- to the Dolans.

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10-19-2007, 05:54 PM

Posted By: Danny GrimesIm a Yankee fan and i don't want to see Girardi Manager, he'll be a lousy replacement. I hope Mattingly doesnt get it either. He's too unfit.

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10-19-2007, 05:57 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultzthey can now sign Leo Mazzone and coax the Braves into letting Bobby Cox come over to NY <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-19-2007, 05:58 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliFred, you make a good point, twice. Torre still could come back. But I am hoping against hope that they hire ANYBODY but Bobby V. And unfortunately, I'm thinking there's a chance I don't get my wish. -Al

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10-19-2007, 06:02 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAl, fair point. Bobby V. is happy in Japan but no doubt he would come back to the Mets or Yankees -- and Steinbrenner supposedly is in love with the guy. Regardless of what happens, the Yankees need a kick in the ass. I'd rather see Bobby V than Mattingly, though.

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10-19-2007, 06:34 PM

Posted By: Danny Grimesi agree jeff, Yankees need someone fiery. Bobby V, someone like Pinella. I blame GM Cashman for everything 2001-present. He needs to butt out and let everything take its course, like that'll ever happen though.

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10-19-2007, 06:45 PM

Posted By: Scott L"jaba or whatever his name is, will move right into rivera's spot...imo" George's son's who are apparently running the team now have said they will insist that Chamberlein is a starter next year so he will not replace Mariano.

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10-19-2007, 07:00 PM

Posted By: BrianShouldn't the manager make those types of decisions? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-19-2007, 07:08 PM

Posted By: judson hamlinI can't help but think that the Yankees are about ready for another edition of the Steve Kemp/Ken Phelps/Larry Milbourne years, so that whomever takes the Yankees job this year won't be around too long. I'd like to think that Mattingly is astute enough to bide his time and let the 2008 version of Stump/Bob Lemon take the heat.

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10-19-2007, 07:18 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJudd- I agree the Yanks may be headed into an era of decline.

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10-19-2007, 07:28 PM

Posted By: Scott LHa ha Brian I agree but we are talking about Steinbrenner's after all!

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10-19-2007, 08:34 PM

Posted By: Denny WalshTorre, He'll get a 3 year contract... The New Blood from the Kids will Acquiesce.... Mariano & Posada stay put.... ARod stays put, and Reggie jackson continues to help him with the mind game of the Big Apple. & I know nuttin' bout anyding.... It's all good, cause it's baseball! Life's Grand, Denny Walsh

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10-19-2007, 08:42 PM

Posted By: Denny Walshi get ebay Happy Anniversary Cards from them! They think these things work, but i know their game.... We both act like we like eachother.... But i'm not sendin them any cards, Heck I don't even know their Anniversary date! Life's Grand, Denny Walsh

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10-19-2007, 09:23 PM

Posted By: JayThe offer was hardly an insulting one. With the team the Yankees have, getting to the playoffs is not a success, advancing deep into the playoffs is. Torre has not had success in a while. The contract offered him made him the highest paid manager in baseball if he achieved nothing and offered him a raise if he made it to (not won) the world series. Performance based compensation is the way many of us are paid--why not Torre too. I would hate to see Mattingly become manager. Great guy, excellent player, bad karma. What I would love to see is the Yankees ask the Angels for permission to talk to Mike Scoscia. Otherwise, I think Joe Girardi or even Larry Bowa would be good choices. A firey manager might do the team some good. Keep alcoholic guys from St Louis away from the Yankees.

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10-19-2007, 09:32 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJay, Mike Scoscia is a great choice -- except he's not leaving the great situation he has to go to the Yankees. Bowa is just too high strung for NY; I doubt he's even a consideration.

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10-19-2007, 09:57 PM

Posted By: JayJeff--You are probably right but it couldn't hurt to offer the position to him. Who knows, the opportunity to more than double his salary might make him at least seriously consider it.

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10-19-2007, 09:57 PM

Posted By: Dan Kotelesmaybe not....Geo likes his title a bit much.

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10-19-2007, 09:58 PM

Posted By: anthonydenny, i think you're in the wrong thread... i didnt see anyone mention this but during the w.s. game tonight i thought i heard the announcer say that part of the deal was that joe torre "had" to get to the world series within 2 years??? or was i sucking my crack pipe too hard??

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10-19-2007, 10:02 PM

Posted By: Jim VBThe way I read it, the offer was for one year only, with a second year at the Yankees option. The only way Torre could automatically trigger the option year was to get to the World Series in the first year.

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10-19-2007, 10:04 PM

Posted By: anthonyjim, i just put down the pipe and went to read the offer, you're right...1 yr 5 mil with 3 mil bonus if they get to the world series...

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10-19-2007, 10:29 PM

Posted By: PaulSince Billy Martin is unavailable, how about Gene Michael Lou Piniella Yogi Berra or, Steinbrenner's first manager, Bill Virdon. Personally, I'd like to see Yogi.

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10-19-2007, 11:11 PM

Posted By: Dan P.Too bad Gene Mauch's not around. I'd like to see him in there.

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10-20-2007, 11:23 AM

Posted By: davidcyclebackA commmon mistake of management in all sports is they don't ask "If we fire this guy, will (or can) we get someone better?" Because it has an itch in its pants, a team often fires a good if not spectacular coach and replaces him with a worse one. Despite what their itch told them, the best choice would have been to keep the good if not spectacular coach. With Torre, the Yankees already have a fine coach who the players respect and gets along well in the organization. Even if he isn't the best coach in world-- and many will say he isn't-- the question is will the Yankees replace him with someone better. It's possible they will, but, because of the level of the competence of the previous manager (Torre), there's a better chance they will replace him with someone worse.

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10-20-2007, 12:16 PM

Posted By: DarrenA-rod.

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10-20-2007, 12:21 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackPhil Garner

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10-20-2007, 12:52 PM

Posted By: BobWe think it will be Joe Girardi. Whilst Mattingly would be a popular choice with Yankee fans, they need someone to light a fire under them.

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10-20-2007, 09:19 PM

Posted By: CN I think Tony Pena would make a great manager for the team. He has managed before and supposedly had a great chance at the job last year if Torre was fired after the Detroit debacle. I think the Mets will offer Jorge Posada a 4 year contract but he will stay with the Yankees in what I think will be his declining years. I think Alex Rodriguez will be chicken and stay with the Yankees as will Mariano Rivera. CN

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10-20-2007, 11:57 PM

Posted By: JakeI think this thread is off topic in relation to vintage/pre war baseball cards. It should stop.

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10-21-2007, 02:43 AM

Posted By: Ed IveyTo bring it back to pre-war, Stan Musial should manage the Yankees.

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10-21-2007, 05:44 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJake, the thread was started by a long-time poster who provides consistently intresting information about vintage baseball cards so the thread is therefore appropriate and permissible according to Leon's longstanding rules. Had Bruce been a poster that started 5 different threads a day, each having nothing to do with vintage cards and instead all about the lint in his belly button, this thread would be inappropriate.

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10-21-2007, 07:10 AM

Posted By: David GoffMattingly will be the smart choice. Will A-Rod come back? I think that is the main question that needs to be answered. Without him, it will be hard for the Yankees to make the playoffs.

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10-21-2007, 07:52 AM

Posted By: Robert {Bigb13}Cashman get me Billy back.

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10-21-2007, 08:39 AM

Posted By: BrianBobby Valentine - manager Posada Stays Mo goes (fails horribly outside of NY) A-Rod opts out, signs with San Fran Yanks trade Melky Caberra to the Twins in a package for Johan Yanks sign Andruw Jones in center Yanks sign Mike Lowell to play Third Ron Villone gets bionics implanted in his pitching arm and becomes closer

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10-21-2007, 10:45 AM

Posted By: BobYanks trade Melky Caberra to the Twins in a package for Johan>> It better be a helluva package! I am still not so sure that the Twins don't ink Tori Hunter for next year, we'll see. With the overrated Terry Ryan gone as GM of the Twins (remember Sidney Ponson, Ramon Ortiz, David Ortiz, Brett Boone, Jeff Cirilo, Rondell White, etc.) the Twins will not be as likely to make bonehead deals or let fan favorites like Hunter and Santana walk away like they did with David Ortiz.

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10-21-2007, 10:48 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanBob, alas, Hunter won't be signing for Minnesota because although the owner is a multi-billionaire, apparently he's taking it with him to the beyond. I think the Twins could offer him the most money and he still won't sign because he knows they'll never pay for a winner there. Somehow I suspect we'll be seeing Hunter and Santana in the New York area soon....

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10-21-2007, 11:29 AM

Posted By: Todd SchultzHunter might not stay, but he won't land in NY, and I think he's got a 50% chance of staying. Santana isn't going anywhere--period. The Twins have not been far off the pennant-winning trail, and with their young pitching, solid bullpen, good defense and perennial position as one of the besst fundamentally sound teams in all of MLB, they should be serious contenders for the next few years, particularly if Liriano comes back. They only need a couple of bats, and Hunter knows that. If he's going to leave, look for him to pull a Rod Carew and pass up the higher dollar Yankee offer for one coming from a Southern team.

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10-21-2007, 12:02 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanTodd, Minnesota has done more with less for years now -- exactly the reason why Hunter has made it clear that because the team won't spend what is needed to be more than a shoestring contender he's gone. I'd be shocked if he stayed because surely he'd know that they'll never sign Santana. Even if somehow they did sign both -- which they won't -- they'd be basically the same team as this year, which is not enough to get them where they need to be. Too many young, great players that will soon want big bucks -- combined with a cheap owner who won't spend his loot -- is just a recipe for disaster.

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10-21-2007, 12:40 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultzthat's all I have to say--watch and learn.

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10-21-2007, 01:03 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanYes, Todd, surely I have much to learn from you!

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10-21-2007, 02:10 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultzand I from you. For example, I look forward to you pointing me toward stories where ANY Twins player who has left in the last five years was complaining that the team could not win. Also, please let me know where in Torii Hunter's latest remarks about giving strong consideration to playing for the Washington Nationals he stated that winning was of primary importance to him, while you explain how the Nats plan on vying for a World Series crown (or even an NL East pennant). Finally, please explain how owner Carl Pohlad's decision this week to pay another $15M toward the new stadium, on top of the $130M he's already pledged, cannot be construed as movement toward improving the team's chances, or how it reflects his continued penny-pinching. Inquiring minds want to know.

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10-21-2007, 02:12 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisAs TBOB said...."they need someone to light a fire under them"....and, BOWA is the man. He's been the Yankees 3rd base coach, so they don't have to look elsewhere. And, Torre is quoted in the news today...."that his successor will have to a lot to deal with the new generation of Yankee owners"....namely Steinbrenner's sons. So, my pick is Bowa.....and if he becomes the Mgr.....I'm taking bets that he does not last past the All-Star break. TED Z

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10-21-2007, 02:26 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI think Ted hit on something that I've been thinking, that the Yankees are heading into a new era of chaos and decline. With the addled owner passing the torch to his sons, new management, old players breaking down, and free agents leaving, the Yankees glory days are behind them.

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10-21-2007, 02:32 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultzbut I'm uneasy about it. They are ripe for a fall, IMHO. Still, if they could keep their core intact, let those young arms grow confidence under the tutelage of some of the oldsters, and maybe grab a player piece here or there, they may be able to transition nicely and without missing much of a beat.

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10-21-2007, 02:41 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanTodd, Carl Pohlad is universally thought of as one of the worst owners in all of sports. Beyond offering the team up to be contracted a few years ago, he is by far the richest owner in baseball and routinely lets his free agents walk. As for the tremendous money you claim he put into the stadium you clearly have missed the boat on this. Do you know how long it has taken for this stadium to be built? Do you know why it has taken this long? I would suggest doing a simple internet search to review the thousands of articles and polls taken which confirm this and the fact that Pohlad is despised for his cheapness. As for Twins' players angry about ownership's failure to retain free agents and spend what is needed to win, here's an interview with Santana: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20071420/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20071420/</a> As for Hunter, all I can note is that he publicly begged ownership to extend his contract previously and they refused. He then refused to even attend the groundbreaking ceremony for the new stadium.

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10-21-2007, 02:45 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanTed, Bowa is not even being considered apparently. The short list is Pena, Mattingly and Girardi. I still believe it will be Girardi (if they make the wise choice) and Mattingly if the sentimental choice is made. Today it was reported that Mattingly's agent has told the Yankees his client wants the job and will take it if offered. Big shock there. Of the three apparent in-house finalists, I actually think he'd fare the worst. But due to Joe's leaving I believe the ownership will want to make a big splash with the fans who are angry about it -- and Mattingly seems to be such a splash.

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10-21-2007, 02:46 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThe best thing the Yankees have going for them is the young kids. But it won't be enough. The core team is breaking down.

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10-21-2007, 02:48 PM

Posted By: barrysloateGirardi is a smart manager but his players hated him. Mattingly may not have the experience but he is a fan and player favorite. It's a toss up.

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10-21-2007, 02:55 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanBarry, I wasn't aware that the players hated him -- I thought just the owner did. That is one hell of a bad sign if that is the case. At least win something before the players start to hate you....

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10-21-2007, 03:01 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisMattingly is too much of a gentleman......he is not a good fit for this job. I loved him as a player, For his sake, I hope he isn't the one. He'll not be able to handle the pressure from "brothers Stein- grabber", or the NY sports media. If you recall, "Stein-jerker" got on his case back in the early '90s for wearing his hair a little to long. Then, next thing you knew, Mattingly was having lower back problems....it was just psychosomatic due to unjustified "harassment" from the "BOSS". TED Z

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10-21-2007, 03:04 PM

Posted By: Todd SchultzOnce again, you know more than anyone. It would be a public service if you could provide us Twins fans and Minnesota citizens with your contact information so we could figure out how to get through each season. I needn't look up any Internet stories on the history of the new stadium--I have followed it for years. If you knew anything about Minnesota politics and the attitude toward spending on professional sports, oops, who am I kidding, you of course do, then you would know how low it is on the priority totem pole. The Vikings, eminently more popular than the Twins, still don't have their own new stadium, and the Gophers, who have played in the Metrodome for 25 years despite efforts to get a new ballfield on campus, only recently succeeded. Is Pohlad cheap? Duh. Can that change and has it? Well you've settled that for us--thanks. Thanks too for the Hunter update and his stated desire to be with a winner. BTW, the team did make overtures to him both before and toward the end of the season, the latter being a quite healthy number. Is he hurt and "dishonored" by their failure to re-up him beforehand? Probably. But the $15M offered is no chump change. As for Santana, of course he was frustrated. You will not find stories like that at all peculiar to either the Twins or any variety of contending teams--ask Phillies fans for example. Finally, please list the free agants who have left the Twins in the past 5 years--I won't ask you to state their reasons, and I'll spot you Corey Koskie. My guess is you won't find many or any of significance, as the team has done a good job of keeping their key guys signed and extended. But you knew that too.

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10-21-2007, 03:07 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJeff- Girardi was really strict, he ran things like a boot camp. And pampered players don't like that.

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10-21-2007, 03:13 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanTodd, sorry you're so angry and frustrated. As for the information I cited, I understand that it goes against your 'gut' feelings and personal observations but I tend to focus on what I read and see instead. And all that I've read and seen is that Twins ownership is cheap despite the owner being a zillionaire, the players don't feel that ownership can consistently compete in free agency and that good players usually leave once they can make a bigger payday. Sorry that you need to make this personal -- it's just freaking baseball, man.

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10-21-2007, 03:19 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisWhat are you saying...."The best thing the Yankees have going for them is the young kids." Over the past 20 years Steinbrenner has unloaded some of the best home grown players the Yankees have developed in their Minor Lge. system, because "the Boss" simply didn't have the patience...... Jose Rijo Al Leiter Doug Hrabek Kevin Maas more recently.... Soriano Johnson And, too many more than I can think of at this moment.....I'm sure others will name some more. TED Z

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10-21-2007, 03:25 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanOh, and this is from three weeks ago when he discussed playing for Texas: "My family's there and that's the main thing. My family wants me there. My kids want me there. But at the same, we're just seeing what the situation looks like because I do have to be in a winning situation. Any player wants that."

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10-21-2007, 03:26 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanTed: Kevin Maas????? The Yankees didn't let that stiff go until he made it clear that he could no longer hit major league pitching! Substitute Jay Buhner for Maas and now you're talking.

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10-21-2007, 03:33 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultz"My family's there and that's the main thing. My family wants me there. My kids want me there. But at the same, we're just seeing what the situation looks like because I do have to be in a winning situation. Any player wants that." thanks Jeff. What a smoking gun.

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10-21-2007, 03:35 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanYeah, Todd, all I can do is report the black and white that I read. I wish I could get inside their heads like you apparently can.

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10-21-2007, 03:37 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultz"So, my pick is Bowa.....and if he becomes the Mgr.....I'm taking bets that he does not last past the All-Star break." Geez I hope you're wrong on the first count but if not, you're probably right on the second count too. BTW, what's Don Zimmer doing these days?

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10-21-2007, 03:54 PM

Posted By: barrysloateTed- you're right that over the years Steinbrenner has shown no patience with developing young talent, sacrificing it instead for the quick fix. But he's fading into the background now, so hopefully his sons, Cashman, and whoever else makes the decisions finally realizes that you build a team around your best young talent.

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10-21-2007, 06:08 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisJEFF Maas suffered from too much instant fame as a rookie, and never did recover from it. He's doing fine out in his home town in CA coaching young kids to play BB. Don't remind me of Jay Buhner, he's the classic example of a "spurned" Yankee who wreaked his vengance on them. Lew Burdette was one of the 1st that I recall doing this. BARRY Did you read Torre's warning to his successor in today's paper ? The future bodes ominous for whoever replaces him. TODD Zimmer got the "boot from the Boss" like other recent coaches....Stottlemyre, Frank Howard, Clete Boyer, etc, etc. All good people and dedicated to their jobs. But, not good enough for the "Stone-man". I once had a boss like Steinbrenner, he was everyone's worst nightmare. Fortunately for us, a Bigger Boss realized this and fired him. TED Z

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10-21-2007, 06:13 PM

Posted By: barrysloateTed- I read parts but not sure to which quote you refer. But I have to say he looks happy and relieved to be gone.

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10-30-2007, 12:20 PM

Posted By: peter chaoGuys, It looks like Steinbrenner frequents this board and decided we were right about Girardi. The next big question is which team is ARod going to? Peter C.

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10-30-2007, 12:48 PM

Posted By: JayAs a Yankee fan, hopefully the Red Sox

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10-30-2007, 01:08 PM

Posted By: AlanDid Steinbrenner ever watch those Steinfeld episodes... ?

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10-30-2007, 01:16 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJoe Girardi is the new Yankee manager. Mattingly will not return in 2008.

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10-30-2007, 01:20 PM

Posted By: boxingcardmanRudy Giuliani rooting for the Red Sox to win the series? WTF...flip-flop on politics all you want--that's business--but any Yankee fan rooting for the Botox in any capacity does not have the character to be president of anything...I am appalled. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10242007/news/regionalnews/rudy_the_yankee_flipper.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10242007/news/regionalnews/rudy_the_yankee_flipper.htm</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/10242007/news/regionalnews/rudy_the_yankee_flipper.htm</a</a>>

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10-30-2007, 01:55 PM

Posted By: MVSNYC"Joe Girardi is the new Yankee manager"... barry, to be technical, it was offered to him, he has not offically accepted yet.

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10-30-2007, 02:03 PM

Posted By: Cobby33Bruce Bochy. That will get him out of SF.

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10-30-2007, 04:39 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanApparently Mattingly resigned from the Yankees organization as well. Does that mean he will no longer enjoy his status as "golden boy?" What a bad day for Donnie Baseball -- lost two jobs in one day.

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10-30-2007, 04:49 PM

Posted By: BobWhoever is the next manager of the Bronx Bombers better have a thick skin and keep his bags packed because the Yankees days as a powerhouse and perennial playoff team are over. A-Rod skipping town and Posada and possibly Mariano in his wake, Clemens retiring, all the "stars" getting old, etc. One of these days all the talent coming up in the Blue Jays system will come together and perhaps the Orioles will actually make a few good free agent acquisitions. The Bosox look solid for years to come. In any event, I look for the wild card team to come from the AL Central for quite a while. The Indians are young and getting better. Despite the loss of Hunter, the Twins will be a force next year with a healthy Mauer and the return of "Future Cy" Liriano to the mound and at least one more year from Santana. The Tigers are going to be good again and the White Sox will be back. To me, the Yanks are going to revert back to the 1965-1975 Yanks soon...

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11-02-2007, 11:42 AM

Posted By: peter chaoLeon. Peter C.

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11-02-2007, 11:52 AM

Posted By: leonWhat does your last response mean? I am quite sure I won't be a major league manager....

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11-02-2007, 11:54 AM

Posted By: peter chaoBut after your stint here on the Net54 Board, you would have been perfect dealing with the clashing egos. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Peter C.

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11-02-2007, 12:27 PM

Posted By: Chris CountsPeter, I nominate you for the job. Whoever manages the Yankees will need very thick skin, and you've proven you can take your licks from a very tough crowd (insert happy face here!) ...

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11-02-2007, 12:40 PM

Posted By: leonThanks Peter C....The more I moderate the more I live by the old rule of "you will never make everyone happy"........a majority would be nice though.... <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> and I agree with Chris too.....If nothing else, you are to be commended for your alligator-like skin....(that's not an allergic reaction with dry skin...you know what I mean)....