W 517 mini's - Are they numbered?

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Posted By: <b>Dave Williams</b><p>I just picked up some cards, which appear to be W517 mini's.<br /><br />They measure 1 3/4 by 2 3/4.<br /><br />However, the Old Cardboard website says for the regular size W 517's, all<br />cards are numbered, and they show the regular size cards, all with numbers.<br /><br />The mini's I just acquired all exactly match the poses on their website, but<br />do not have numbers.<br /><br />Does anyone know if these are 517 mini's, or something else?<br /><br />Here is the link to the ebay auction, with pictures of the cards.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140169535161&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=004" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140169535161&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=004</a><br /><br />Thanks.

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Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p><br />My Grove W517-mini doesn't have a number on it...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bandkgreen.net/lefty_grove/vintagelefty_files/1931_w517_mini.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p><br />If you see dotted lines or dashed lines at the top/bottom of the card, then it's a mini. If you don't see the dotted or dashed lines, then it may be cut from a 4/1. I see that several of your cards have dotted/dashed lines. I can't tell about the ones with baseball players...<br /><br />There is more information on this. If you search net54 for W517, mini and Gehrig, you'll find some information.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p> minis don't have #'s on them. the problem is the 4 on 1 postcards also use the same image and if hand cut are are close to the same size. as brad said the minis have the dotted lines so if you see those dots than it is a mini.if no lines it's anybodys guess. <a href="http://www.centuryoldcards.com/1930/1931W517.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.centuryoldcards.com/1930/1931W517.html</a>

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Here is another W517 Mini to compare to. Like Brad said if it has the dotted lines (or usually remnants of them) than you can be sure of the W517 mimi designation.<br />-Rhett Yeakley<br /><img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/w517minijudge.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>Gehrig<br />Grove<br />Donahue<br />Cochrane<br />Judge <br />Waner<br />Kamm <br />Jackson<br />O'Doul<br />Vance<br />Shires<br />Critz<br /><br />There are also different format 4 on 1s that could pop up in cut form for the following (all from the 1st run of 1925-31 PC back Exhibits), but these would have a really lousy looking slapped on name label and are easily distinguished that way:<br /><br />Ruth<br />Johnson<br />Simmons<br />Hornsby<br />Judge <br />Cobb<br />Groh<br />Harris<br />Kelly<br /><br />All except the Kelly can be seen on my site on the catalog updates page<br /><br />www.americasgreatboxingcards.com

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>As of one year ago, largely through the efforts of FKW, the following list of known w517 minis were tabulated.<br /><br />Mickey Cochrane (catching pose) Phi. AL<br />Eddy Collins (Eddie) Phi. AL<br />Hughey Critz NY NL<br />Pete Donahue (Donohue) Boston AL<br />Lou Gehrig NY AL<br />Lefty Grove Phi. AL<br />Travis Jackson NY NL<br />Joe Judge Wash. AL<br />Willie Kamm Clev. AL<br />George Kelly Brooklyn NL<br />Bing Miller Phil. AL<br />Lefty O'Doul Brooklyn NL<br />Art Shires Boston NL<br />Dazzy Vance Brooklyn NL<br />Paul Waner Pitts. NL<br /><br />Are your cards on this list?<br /><br />Note: list now incomplete, see below.

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Posted By: <b>George</b><p>David,<br />I was one of the low bidders on this lot and thought initially that these were W 517 cards until further researching after the auction (a little too late to have put in a stronger bid) and being 99% convinced that these were minis.<br /><br />Based on all the above information from the board, these do fit the description. It's a nice pick up...I'm envious! Take care.<br /><br />George

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Thanks Gilbert for reminding me about the checklist, I see that the Charlie Klein card in this lot can be added to the list.<br /><br />Its now 16 different<br /><br />Mickey Cochrane (catching pose) Phi. AL<br />Eddy Collins (Eddie) Phi. AL<br />Hughey Critz NY NL<br />Pete Donahue (Donohue) Boston AL<br />Lou Gehrig NY AL<br />Lefty Grove Phi. AL<br />Travis Jackson NY NL<br />Joe Judge Wash. AL<br />Willie Kamm Clev. AL<br />George Kelly Brooklyn NL<br />Charlie Klein Phi. NL<br />Bing Miller Phi. AL<br />Lefty O'Doul Brooklyn NL<br />Art Shires Boston NL<br />Dazzy Vance Brooklyn NL<br />Paul Waner Pitts. NL

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Posted By: <b>Dave Williams</b><p>Thanks for the input.<br /><br />I received in addition to the actors and actresses,<br /><br />Critz, Vance both in brownish background,<br /><br />Eddy (sic) Collins in brown and red, and<br />Charlie (Chuck) Klein in brown and red.<br /><br />They've all got some issues with poor trimming.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Good eye David, that was a bit hidden. Nice pickup.