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11-02-2007, 01:35 AM
Posted By: <b>Scot</b><p> Does anybody know what a John "Monte" Ward autograph looks like? If you're an expert or even have an opinion, let me know if this looks authentic to you.<br />I couldn't find another to compare.<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1193902384.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1193902415.JPG">
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11-02-2007, 04:33 AM
Posted By: <b>Andrew S.</b><p>If it isn't his signature, someone made a pretty good effort to duplicate it. Looks very similar to the ones I've seen. Is that a thick fountain pen stroke or a felt tip?
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11-02-2007, 05:05 AM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>A few years ago there was quite a few Buchners from the same collection sold on eBay with the same fake black signatures across the card. They are all non authentic signatures. I used to have a couple of the cards including a different Ward. Except the cards I had the fake signatures was partially erased.<br /><br />Here are the scans I have saved in my computer.<br /><br /><img src=http://centuryoldcards.com/images/n284ward.jpeg> <img src=http://centuryoldcards.com/images/n284orourke.jpeg>
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11-02-2007, 07:04 AM
Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...would probably be a no no. <br /><br />SGC/JSA have a $20 service for authenticating and encapsulating signed baseball cards. Can't beat it.
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11-02-2007, 10:48 AM
Posted By: <b>Scot</b><p>Thank You for the information.
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11-02-2007, 12:51 PM
Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>FKW,<br />Does this look familiar? I ended up buying this card from you. I never even considered the partially erased name to be an autograph. Just thought someone had written O'Rourke's name across it, long ago.<br /><br /><img src="http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/triwak/37.jpg">
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11-02-2007, 02:57 PM
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>if it is not real it's a real good forgery:<br /><img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Ward2.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/Ward.jpg">
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11-02-2007, 08:08 PM
Posted By: <b>Brett</b><p>If that signatureis real, then WOW ! That would be cool to own.
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11-02-2007, 10:25 PM
Posted By: <b>Scot</b><p>Wow, This thing could be real. It cost me $185 dollars + shipping to authenticate/encapsulate a Ty Cobb signature through PSA/DNA. This card would look good with SGC/JSA holder IMO. I may try authenticating with that comparison. Thanks again for the help.
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11-02-2007, 11:20 PM
Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>If that signature is real then that will be one heck of a 19th century card. Ward died in 1925 so it's not like he was signing lots of autographs for collectors. I guess he probably signed a lot of documents in his day but you've got to figure the number of cards with his signature is very scarce. Did I use the word "scarce" correctly?
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11-02-2007, 11:36 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>When these cards hit eBay a few years ago, there were a dozen or so of the cards that had these signatures (all HOFers I believe). Some were partially erased. They were deemed forgeries by people who discussed them on the chat boards at the time (Net54? Fullcount?), but I dont remember what all was said about them.
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11-02-2007, 11:40 PM
Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Hmmm... That partially erased signature on Frank's Ward looks very close to the one Steve posted, also. Gotta say, now I'm just a little intrigued about my Jim O'Rourke.
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11-03-2007, 01:50 AM
Posted By: <b>Scot</b><p>Ken, The signatures Ward/O'Rourke appear to be from a different hand IMO. It would certainly be interesting to compare your O'Rourke with a confirmed authentic signature. <br /><br />
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11-03-2007, 05:35 AM
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1194003277.JPG">
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11-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Yeah Scot,<br /><br />I realize that the signatures on Frank's two cards are from different hands. But each seems pretty close to its respective authentic signature that Steve posted. Frank said that he remembers a discussion about those partially erased sigs on several message boards, and that the conclusion was that they were fake. Does anyone recall why? As I said, I certainly didn't purchase the O'Rourke card thinking that it was autographed. I just thought someone had written his name on it. Now, I'm starting to wonder! Interesting...
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11-03-2007, 10:17 AM
Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>I think there is a 90% chance they are good. JMHO
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11-03-2007, 10:49 AM
Posted By: <b>Chris David</b><p>I know that there is a 100 percent chance this item is fake. The sad thing is there is probably a 50 percent chance of getting it authenticated.
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11-03-2007, 10:53 AM
Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Chris - how do you know? Did you forge the signatures?