M101-5/M101-4 article: call for information-- LAST appeal for info

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Hello all! Todd Schultz and I are currently hard at work on a detailed article for Old Cardboard on these great sets. This board has been a great resource for hobby research projects, and we’re hoping you’ll all want to contribute to this one. <br /><br />We are not doing a full-scale population survey, but we are trying to puzzle out a number of M101-style obscurities and anomalies, and it would really help if you could report any holdings in the cards listed below. <br /><br />________________________________________<br /><br />1. <br />Do you have any of the following name/number combinations? If so, please let us know, and also tell us what backs your examples have. <br /><br />M101-5<br />#12 Beals Becker <br />#12 Lute Boone<br />#23 Forrest Cady<br />#23 Mordecai Brown<br />#59 Ray Fisher<br />#68 Geo. Gibson<br />#97 John Lavan or Lavin<br />#185 Clarence Walker (what team is listed?)<br />#186 Bobby Wallace<br />#186 Zack Wheat<br /><br />M101-4<br />#8 H. D. Baird (what position is listed?)<br />#68 Geo. Gibson<br />#77 Roy Hartzell<br />#168 Oscar Stanage (only the waist-length portrait pose, not the catching pose)<br />#183 Clarence Walker (what team is listed?)<br />__________________________________________________ _______<br /><br />2. <br />Can you give us a list of the numbers and names of all your cards with the following backs?<br /><br />Famous and Barr<br />Standard Biscuit<br />Burgess-Nash<br />Altoona Tribune<br />Gimbel’s <br />Ware’s <br />Successful Farming<br />________________________________________________<br /><br />Thanks so much to everyone for looking!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I have #186 Bobby Wallace. It has a Standard Biscuit back. I have about 20 M101-4/5 cards total. The Wallace is my only Standard Biscuit. I have none of the other backs that you mentioned.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I will get you my list tomorrow (probably evening) and post it here....good luck with the project....

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Posted By: <b>Mark Marvelli</b><p>Tim,<br /><br />Here is my list, just missing the big three..<br /><br />111 M-101-4 blank back Leslie Mann <br /> 60 M-101-5 blank back Max Flack <br /> 43 Block and Kuhl Jake Daubert<br />167 Burgess-Nash George Stallings<br /> 15 Famous and Barr M-101-4 Bob Bescher<br /> 52 Famous and Barr M-101-5 Larry Doyle<br /> 14 Gimbels large block print Joe Benz<br />147 Gimbels Italic print Clarence Rowland<br />197 Globe Pep Young<br /> 5 Green Joyce Leon James<br /> 61 Herp Eddie Foster<br />120 Indianapolis Clyde Milan<br /> 88 Mall Theatre William James<br />174 Morehouse Billy Sullivan<br />171 Sporting News Amos Strunk<br />180 Standard Biscuit Jim Vaughn<br /> 27 Successful Farming George Chalmers<br />150 The Tribune Reb Russell<br /> 60 Ware's Art Fletcher<br />133 Weil Rube Oldring<br /><br />Just need Holmes, Everybody's, and Gim's small block (I know, good luck)<br /><br />Mark<br />

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>I have a Standard Biscuit George Sisler #166<br />I used to have a Famous and Barr M101-5 Joe Jackson #86<br /><br />I have scans if you need them.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Tim,<br /><br /> I will try to get you a list later this evening or this weekend with another post, but I have 151 cards from this set with various backs. Not many rarities (sounds redundant). I have the # 23 Brown wit a Famous and Barr back. A large number of the cards I have from this set have the Famous and Barr backs.

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>Tim, <br />I really happy to see that you are undertaking this. I have a George Gibson, number 68, blank backed. I don't collect the different backs but I have a Gimbels large block Adams #1 and in Gimbels italics I have both McInnis #117 (M101-4)and Rousch #146 (both). I know you didn't ask but I also have a Strunk (M101-4) with the Indianapolis Brewing Co. back. Best of luck.<br />Mark

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p>Tim, I will let you be the judge<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185451592.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Bruce MacPherson</b><p>My only m101 card is a Wares Joe Jackson #87.

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>Hi Tim,<br /><br />I have 3 M101-5 cards with Famous & Barr backs.<br />#67 Gus Getz <br />#86 Joe Jackson<br />#101 Duffy Lewis<br /><br />I recently sold 58 others. I still have the information on them if the person who bought them doesn't respond to you.<br /><br />Glad to help,<br />Scott.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Duncan</b><p>I have the Becker, Cady, and Wallace all with blank backs.<br /><br /><br /><br />Jason<br />

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Posted By: <b>Lyman</b><p>Tim, from your M101-5 list, I have the #12 Lute Boone. It has a Standard Biscuit back.<br /><br />Others that I have are:<br /> #43 Jean Dale (blank back)<br /> #47 Doak (Globe back)<br /> #48 Doak (Famous & Barr)<br /> #71 John Graney (TSN back)<br />#160 Shanks (Altoona Tribune)<br />#161 Seaton (blank back)<br /><br />Good luck with your research. I'm sure it will make a really great article. <br /><br />Lyman<br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>If you could post the numbers on the cards you own it would help. I think that is a large part of figuring this puszzle out....thanks for the help.....

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>I've got Jason's numbers---<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>These are all m101-5 Famous & Barr cards as they all came from the same original collection as evidenced by the same name being stamped on the back of the card.<br /><br />Shanks<br />Shawkey<br />Shore<br />Shotton<br />Smith, James "Carlisle"<br />Snodgrss<br />Stanage<br />Stock<br />Strunk<br />Sullivan<br />Tesreau<br />Thorpe<br />Toney<br />Turner<br />Vaughn<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I have 2 #68 George Gibson cards. One is a Sporting News Back and one is a blank back. When I bought the blank back it was listed as M101-5, but I obviously have no way of proving whether it is or isn't.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Richard.

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>for Mark L. Do I understand that you have two Gimbels Rousch's? Could you please confirm the spelling and the position stated on these cards? thanks.

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>Sorry if I was unclear. I have only one. As you can see, it is <br />ED. ROUSCH<br />R.F.-New York Giants<br />146<br /><br />Mark<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185489708.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185489764.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>not sure of the number can look and see if you need it.<br /><br />Scott

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Kauff..94....blank (with Barker stamp)<br />Barry..11....blank<br />Bush..20....Block and Kuhl<br />O’neill..35....Block and Kuhl<br />Ainsmith..3....Burgess Nash<br />Chalmers..29....Burgess Nash<br />Jennings..89....Famous and Barr<br />Mack..105....Famous and Barr<br />Ames..5....Gimbels small block<br />Austin..7....Gimbels large block<br />Leonard..102....Gimbels italic print<br />Wilson..192....Gimbels –italics print<br />Sisler..164....Green Joyce<br />Connolly..37....Herpolsheimer<br />Paskert..136....Herpolsheimers<br />Pierce..138....Holmes to Homes<br />Beck..12....Indianapolis Brewing<br />Burns..18....Indianapolis Brewing<br />Gardner..65....Indianapolis Brewing<br />High..81....Indianapolis Brewing<br />Wheat..188....Everybody’s Clothing<br />Beck..12....Globe<br />Veach..179....Globe<br />Bancroft..10....Mall Theatre<br />Shanks..160....Morehouse Baking<br />Wagner..(?)....Sporting News # trimmed off<br />Daubert..44....Standard Biscuit<br />Hamilton..75....Standard Biscuit<br />Jennings..89....Standard Biscuit<br />Doyle..52*....Successful Farming<br />Chapman..30....Tribune<br />Snodgrass..166....Wares<br />Morgan..126....Weil Baking<br />O’neill..135....Weil Baking<br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>I have this one:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185503768.JPG"> <br><br>Frank

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>67 Famous and Barrs<br /><br />3 Ainsmith (Have 2)<br />5 Ames<br />8 Baird 3rd Base<br />10 Bancroft<br />13 Bender<br />14 Benz<br />16 Betzel<br />18 Eddie Burns<br />19 George Burns (AL) (2)<br />20 George Burns (NL)<br />22 Byrne (2)<br />23 Brown<br />24 Callahan<br />27 Chalmers<br />28 Chance (2)<br />29 Chapman<br />31 Cicotte<br />33 Eddie Collins<br />35 Comisky (sic)<br />38 Coombs<br />39 Costello<br />44 Daubert<br />53 Dubuc<br />56 Faber<br />60 Flack<br />61 Fletcher<br />62 Foster<br />63 Fournier<br />65 Gardner<br />67 Getz<br />75 Harmon<br />77 Hendrix<br />Yes there is a gap here<br />100 Leonard<br />102 Lobert<br />107 Mamaux<br />110 Marquard<br />114 McGraw<br />115 McInnis<br />116 Merkle<br />118 Milan (2)<br />122 J. Herbert Moran<br />127 Ed Murphy (picture of him throwing, not batting)<br />128 Murray<br />129 Myers<br />132 Oldring<br />137 Pfeffer<br />140 Pratt<br />152 Saier<br />153 Sallee<br />154 Schaefer<br />157 Schmidt<br />160 Scott<br />163 Shawkey (picture is actually McInnis batting)<br />164 Shore<br />165 Shotton<br />168 Snodgrass<br />170 Stanage (Throwing)<br />177 Tinker<br />179 Veach<br />182 Viox<br />183 Vitt<br />185 Walker (picture is actually Weilman, team is St. Louis Browns)

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Posted By: <b>BlackSoxFan</b><p>Mark VL -<br />Would you mind emailing me? (see links)<br><br>Regards,<br /><br />Black Sox Fan<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /><a href="http://www.blacksoxfan.com" target="new" border="0"><img src="http://www.blacksoxfan.com/images/art/sig.jpg"></a><br /><a href=mailto:shoelessjoe@blacksoxfan.com?subject=Ne t54>email me</a><br /><a href="http://blog.blacksoxfan.com/" target="_blank">The Black Sox Blog</a>

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Standard Biscuit-1<br /><br />45 Geo. A. Davis<br /><br />No Burgess-Nash<br /><br />Altoona Tribune-5<br /><br />41 Crawford<br />66 Gedeon<br />91 Johnson<br />107 Mack<br />179 Veach<br /><br />Gimbel’s-4 (I'll worry about back variation later)<br /><br />134 O'Mara<br />139 Pratt<br />155 Schang<br />192 J. Owen Wilson<br /> <br />Ware’s-2<br /><br />96 Konetchy<br />139 Pratt<br /> <br />Successful Farming-1<br /><br />16 Bresnahan<br /><br />Let me know if you want to expand this into Sporting News, Green Joyce, Herpolsheimer's Holmes to Holmes, Indianapolis Brewing, Morehouse Baking and the Globe.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>One last note:<br /><br />M101-4<br />183 Clarence Walker (Team is the Boston Red Sox and the picture is of Walker)

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Tim,<br /><br /> Will you be trying to explain why on earth Frank Chance is included in this set -- and as a Cub???? Also, I've always wondered why Bresnahan was included, and why he wasn't pulled early like Wallace. He was out of the majors before the set was issued.

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>I sold a complete M101-4 set last year and still have all my scans if you need to see anything let me know.<br /><br />Rhys Yeakley

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>We really appreciate the responses. If anyone has scans available that they don't mind sharing, please feel free to e-mail them to Tim or me.<br /><br />Brian (and others), feel free to expand your descriptions to include any and all backs, and differentiation among Gimbel backs would be appreciated.<br /><br />Paul, we wonder about Chance too. There is also another player who made it all the way to m101-4 without having played after 1914!

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Posted By: <b>ErikV</b><p> <br /> Here's my list:<br /><br /> #52 Jean Dubuc/blank back<br /> #57 Hap Felsch/Standard Biscuit <br /> #59 Ray Fisher/Famous Barr<br /> #66 Joe Gedeon/Famous Barr<br /> #77 Claude Hendrix/blank back<br /> #102 Dutch Leonard/blank back<br /> #176 Jim Thorpe/Famous Barr<br /> #188 Buck Weaver/Famous Barr<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Here is a scan of the M101-4 Baird w/ C.F. designation (blank back)<br /><img src="http://www.starsofthediamond.com/m1014baird.JPG"><br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Gotta show Thorpe <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><img src="http://webpages.charter.net/sabrjay/thorpe.jpg"><br /><br />Jay<br><br>The richest person is not the one who has the most, but the one who needs the least.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi Tim,<br /> I'm sure I have a few more around here I can add later, but these 2 are of an old friend:<br /><br />Blank Backed / Sporting News<br /><br /> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0024-1.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> Good luck Brian<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Hey Guys,<br /><br />I have or have had:<br /><br />Good Standard Biscuit<br />O. Miller Gimbels<br />Konetchy Ware's<br /><br />Will have to provide #s when I get back from vacation.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185642150.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185642201.JPG"> <br />I have these two. Hope it helps

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Well, might as well complete the Stanage collection:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1185643921.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p><img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Hartzell.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-5Baker.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Donovan.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Gedeon.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-4Magee.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-5Cook.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1916M101-5High.jpg"> <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/M101-4Caldwell.jpg"><br /><br /><br><br><img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/23.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>daryle</b><p>#83 Hooper Famous Barr <br />#8 Baker Standard Biscuit<br />#6 Archer Blank<br />#56 Felsch Blank

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Hi folks-- Again thanks a million to those who have reported so far. We still need to hear from more of you! <br /><br />Please check my initial post for what we are looking for in particular, but you are welcome to send info on your entire M101-5/4 holdings if it is easier.<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Matt Curry</b><p>Hello. I read your thread and wanted to see if the Lute Boone card that you had was for sale or not. I am having quite a time finding any of these. Thanks!<br /><br />Matt

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>I have over 100 blank backs listed in inventory under vintage*investments including the elusive Wallace, Cady, and Becker. These are all blank backs.<br /><br /><br />Jason<br><br><a href="http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvintage*investmentsQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvintage*investmentsQQhtZ-1QQfrppZ50QQfsopZ1QQfsooZ1QQrdZ0</a>?

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Posted By: <b>ron</b><p>Hi Tim,<br />All mine are m101-4. #183 Clarence Walker c.f. Boston Redsox sporting news back<br />I have oscar robers but mine is catching sporting news back<br />#68 geo gibson sporting news back #77 roy hartzell sporting news back<br />#8 h.d Baird C.F. sporting news back<br />Best Regards<br />Ron<br /><br />Famous-barrs #144 Wilbert Robinson<br />Gimbells- #129 Mike mowery<br />Tribune-154 Ray Schalk<br />Tribune-112 Rabbit Maranville<br />holmes -#57 Hap Felsch<br />holmes -171 stengel

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Posted By: <b>Glen Turner</b><p>Tim:<br />I have #186 Zack Wheat with both Famous & Barr and Holmes to Homes Bread backs.<br /> # 23 Mordecai Brown with Famous & Barr.<br />Two of my favorites I have are #4 Grover Alexander with Holmes to Homes Bread back.<br /> # 188 Buck Weaver with blank back.

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Posted By: <b>bill</b><p>#86 famous & barr<br /><img src="http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/hsacmron/shoeless.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>M101-4 Clarence Walker #183: Boston Red Sox<br /><br />Standard Biscuit: 152 Vic Saier (Cubs); 187 Ed Walsh (WS), <br />Famous & Barr: 33 Eddie Collins (WS)<br />Indy Brewing: 144 W. Robinson<br />Globe: 183 Walker (BoSox)

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Updated with Numbers:<br /><br />W. Good Standard Biscuit #69<br />O. Miller Gimbels #122<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Thanks gang, for renewing the thread (although one of these recent posts really belongs in the BST, not here. <br /><br />We are still looking especially for info on Burgess-Nash, Famous & Barr, Herpolsheimer, and Ware's backs. If you haven't reported them yet, please let us know--<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Glen Turner</b><p>Here are lists of my Famous & Barr and Standard Biscuit.<br /><br />Famous & Barr Standard Biscuit<br />#10 Dave Bancroft #1 Babe Adams<br />#23 Mordecai Brown #56 Hap Felsch<br />#31 Eddie Cicotte #64 Chic Gandil<br />#56 Urban Faber #91 Fielder Jones<br />#65 Larry Gardner #135 Dode Paskert<br />#83 Harry Hooper #150 Reb Russell<br />#109 Rabbit Maranville #162 Ernie Shore<br />#146 Ed Roush<br />#147 Clarence Rowland<br />#152 Slim Sallee<br />#160 Everett Scott<br />#169 Geo. Stallings<br />#171 Casey Stengel<br />#186 Zach Wheat<br />#199 Heiny Zimmerman <br /><br />When I hit preview it put the lists side by side. If you have any question e-mail me.

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Posted By: <b>Mark T</b><p>How about blank back M101-4 cards?

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Posted By: <b>Kenny</b><p>I have the following.<br />M101-4 Zach Wheat Indianapolis Brewing #188<br />M101-4 Zach Wheat Weil Baking #188<br />M101-5 Zach Wheat Successful Farming #186<br />M101-5 Zach Wheat Famous Barr #186

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>It looks like you collect Wheat with different backs. Probably the toughest back is the Everybody's.....and for some reason I have it with Zach on the front....go figure...<br /><br /><img src="http://luckeycards.com/pm101everybodysmalltheaterbacks.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>thanks to all. Please keep 'em coming, and yes, info on blank backs is appreciated too.<br /><br />If not too much of a hassle, please indicate which cards you have are graded, although we don't necessarily need to know the grades. When trying to assess populations, we don't want to double count cards reflected in pop reports along with those identified by collectors. Along those same lines, if you own a graded card that has been mislabled, or if you have had one corrected, please let us know. The grading companies were lax for a long time on labeling the cards with the various backs, instead lumping them all as m101-4s or m101-5s, which of course overstates the populations for the generic m101s and understates the particular backs. Population analysis is tough enough as it is, so any help we can get on "true" info would be appreciated.<br /><br />Leon, you've got it wrong on back scarcity. Everybody's is actually the most common back--seems Everybody has one. So I'd be willing to send you an unopened box of '89 Donruss for yours, no, make that Topps (so you can enjoy the gum) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Mark T</b><p>I have only 1 M101-4:<br /><br />Smoky Joe Wood #195--blank back

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Posted By: <b>Kenny</b><p>I do collect Wheat cards. He was born in my hometown and I have been collecting his stuff for about 25 years.

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Hi Tim,<br /><br />Your original post didn't ask about Herpolsheimer's, but your recent post did. So here is my meager report - that I am very happy to be able to make, by the way:<br /><br />Joe Bush - Herp's back<br /><br />Good luck with your endeavor.<br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Cat (ret.)</b><p>Bumped this thread to ask:<br /><br />Is the article coming out in Issue #14 of Old Cardboard? I was/am really looking forward to it.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Herpolsheimers-8<br /><br /> 2-Agnew<br /> 22-Bush, Donie<br /> 32-Cicotte<br /> 72-Griffith<br /> 82-High<br /> 94-Kauff<br /> 96-Konetchy<br />107-Mack<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>One more Herpolsheimer<br /><br />76 - Harmon. Graded (PSA)<br /><br />Also, haven't seen much info on the two different Herp backs:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1192413371.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1192413360.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>I figured I would bump this with some new additions and a question.<br /><br />I just got a bunch in a huggins and scott lot. this is what I have. All are raw but will soon be in SGC holders.<br /><br />M101-4 Blank Backs<br />14 Joe Benz<br />140 Pat Ragan<br /><br />M101-5 Blank Backs<br />99 Nemo Leibold<br />153 Slim Sallee<br /><br />M101-4 Globe Backs<br />130 Ed Murphy<br />186 Buck Weaver<br /><br /><br />How tough are the Globe backs. I know I saw someone talk about and rank the backs but I couldn't find it tonight.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Here is the link from Old Cardboard listing the backs in order of rarity:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m101-4/backs-gallery.asp" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldcardboard.com/m/m101-4/backs-gallery.asp</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Hi folks,<br /><br />Thanks to all those who have posted in this thread recently. We continue to follow it and have taken in your information. <br /><br />We are trying to complete the article draft in the next week or two, so if you have been meaning to post or send us any info on your holdings in the set, now is the time!<br /><br />We are still very interested in hearing from anyone who has Fanous & Barr, Herpolsheimer, and Ware's Basement cards. In all cases we need to know platers names and numbers.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>Ditto what Tim said. We appreciate all the info we have received, but it never hurts to have more. <br /><br />We would suggest a slightly different order of scarcity than is relflected on the Old Cardboard website. Part of the problem or confusion that I have arises from the fact that many of these backs can be found on both m101-4 and m101-5, but with nowhere near the same frequency. For example, Famous and Barr is the most common back after blanks and The Sporting News, and if you just want a back example for type, you should have little difficulty finding one of these. However, an m101-4 with F&B back is not at all common, and less so than a Globe back, for example. Speaking of Globe and in response to James, I believe that Globe's scarcity position will remain at or about where it is now on the OC site--it is not one of the scarcer backs. Everything is relative though....and we look forward to telling you more about these sets soon.

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Posted By: <b>Cat (ret.)</b><p>Long before I paid much attention to the ACC, I thought the 1915/16 Standard Biscuit (D350-1) was simply a separate back of the M101-5. I believe it has the exact same checklist.<br /><br />What is the common thinking in terms of its date of print cycle? Was it before the M101-5? After the M101-5 but before the M101-4? Why was it given a seaparate ACC number?

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>The D350-1 Standard Biscuit set does for the most part share the same checklist as the M101-5 set. D350-1 was just a number assigned to the bakery advertisement. Other advertisers from similar sets were given different numbers such as H810 for Globe Clothiers and D329 for Weil Baking. I believe the concensus is that all M101-5/4 related sets were produced in 1916.<br /><br /><br /><br />Here is an interesting item in the current Lew Lipset auction.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.oldjudge.com/auction/type-cards-rarities/50/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.oldjudge.com/auction/type-cards-rarities/50/</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldjudge.com/auction/type-cards-rarities/50/</a</a>><br /><br />Beals Becker was not found in any of the M101 affiliated sets aside from this Standard Biscuit back. Certainly, the Becker card is an intriguing card to throw into the mix for the article.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Cat (ret.)</b><p>I believe I had read somewhere that the M101-5 were believed to be printed in March, 1916 and the M101-4 approximately June, 1916. Is this true? Is there any information on a print date of the Standard Biscuits?

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>Hi guys,<br /><br />We definitely deal Becker and the other M101-5 anomalies (Bobby Wallace, #23 Cady) in the article. They appear on blank and Standard Biscuit backs only. We are pretty confident on a printing and distribution date for both sets (both 1916, but you'll have to wait for the article for all the details). Thanks for your interest--<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Mark L</b><p>The public is really looking forward to this. And when will you publish your research on M116?