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10-17-2007, 01:45 PM

Posted By: BobActually Alexander had celebrated his complete game victory in Game 6 the night before by tying one on because he thought there was absolutely no chance he would pitch the next day in the deciding game. He was pitching for the Cardinals and his career was about to end. The "old man," grizzled and worn, walked to the mound to face Tony Lazerri (sp) the best clutch hitter on the Yankees with the bases loaded and proceeded to strike him out and save the day.

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10-17-2007, 01:47 PM

Posted By: peter chaoAlexander was one of those old-timers that didn't hesitate to brush back hitters. It's a good thing that he didn't decide to brush back Tony. Peter C.

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10-17-2007, 02:09 PM

Posted By: quanpeter, every time you start a thread i take a jager shot...does that count?

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10-17-2007, 02:13 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanQuan -- just one?

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10-17-2007, 02:15 PM

Posted By: leonI love jager shots too.....but so far Peter C hasn't driven me to them.....(yet <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>)

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10-17-2007, 02:16 PM

Posted By: peter chaoCome on guys...just admit it you've become the establishment. I'm just here to liven things up. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Peter C.

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10-17-2007, 02:23 PM

Posted By: Kevin SaucierA quote from a sports article: "Ruth also was a habitual user of a banned substance that was deemed unambiguously illegal by the federal government--a drug Ruth believed enhanced his performance: alcohol. Ruth was a star during the roaring prohibition 1920s, and as teammate Joe Dugan said, "Babe would go day and night, broads and booze."

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10-17-2007, 02:31 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackKing Kelly was big boozer, died before he was 40.

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10-17-2007, 02:33 PM

Posted By: peter chaoBugs Raymond must have drove John McGraw crazy. Peter C.

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10-17-2007, 02:42 PM

Posted By: AnthonyWasn't Ed Delehanty throw off the train due to being drunk, and that leading to his death? Jimmie Foxx and Hack Wilson were known to tie one on on occasion as well. And if you read Ball Four Mantle seemed to function with a hangover pretty well.

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10-17-2007, 02:46 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliRube Waddell. -Al

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10-17-2007, 02:48 PM

Posted By: Rob DewolfOld-time baseball players who were on the sauce? How about Net54ers who post after tipping a few?

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10-17-2007, 03:33 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCPeter- looks like you really took everyone's advice, and are posting less <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> BABE RUTH!!!

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10-17-2007, 03:38 PM

Posted By: pasLeon you are a patient man. Others of us are less so.

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10-17-2007, 03:58 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaThis is the dumbest post in the history of Net54...and only a day or so after Peter was asked to reflect on his posts before he hits the send button. Why not start a post on players who like hot dogs?

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10-17-2007, 04:02 PM

Posted By: pasDan the scary thing is that he probably did reflect. He just doesn't care that so many people find posts like this extremely irritating. And by responding, I guess others reinforce the message that they find his threads legitimate. EDITED TO ADD "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

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10-17-2007, 04:05 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanYou cannot stop Peter Chao; you can only hope to contain him.

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10-17-2007, 04:08 PM

Posted By: Tony AndreaDan B. - In response to your post. "Why not start a post on players who like hot dogs?" I'm game.... David Wells Next <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-17-2007, 04:09 PM

Posted By: pasJeff, how do you contain a hydra? Cut off one head and three grow back.

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10-17-2007, 04:13 PM

Posted By: pasShoeless Joe Jackson February 20 2007 at 2:59 PM peter chao (Login pchaos) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Guys, Did Shoeless Joe ever play in the majors without shoes. If he did, how did he avoid getting spiked. Peter

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10-17-2007, 04:14 PM

Posted By: barrysloateAh, another day on Network 54. I'm chomping at the bit for tomorrow's steak...say, let's start a poll on which ballplayers liked to eat steak!

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10-17-2007, 04:28 PM

Posted By: Jeremy W.I just don't see the point in downgrading other's posts. If you feel like it's off-topic, why not just avoid? If you think you are a comedian, well then blast away. Sure, some will laugh at your commentary, but others will just go on reading/living. I guess I don't get it.

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10-17-2007, 04:28 PM

Posted By: dennis<img src="http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l239/dcc1/300px-Train_wreck_at_Montparnass-2.jpg">

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10-17-2007, 04:32 PM

Posted By: Cobby33How many players took the train to games?

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10-17-2007, 04:43 PM

Posted By: Greg ThebergeI stated my sentiments on this topic on the memorabilia side. It's so much fun to drag someone's name through the mud. (Edited to mean that I meant dragging someone's name through the mud by talking about their problems, in this case, alcoholism) Personally, I'm very tired of this type of crap and quite frankly have grown very tired of Peter's ridiculous posts that he somehow justifies with a big grin on his face.

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10-17-2007, 04:43 PM

Posted By: Paul Spas said: EDITED TO ADD "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Paul Simon! Talk about alcohol -- now you know why he was always "Feeling Groovy"! See Peter? I knew you had something to contribute to this topic. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-17-2007, 04:43 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanGuys, how many players had sweaty socks? Let's rank the sweaty socks men by position.

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10-17-2007, 04:46 PM

Posted By: pasGreg, our sympathies. It seems the problem has infected the other board too, eh?

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10-17-2007, 04:48 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanYou have to hand it to Peter S. for pulling that nugget out.

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10-17-2007, 04:50 PM

Posted By: Anonymous"Come on guys...just admit it you've become the establishment. I'm just here to liven things up. Peter C." Shame on you Peter. Absolutely freaking shame on you. Where do you get off deciding that anyone here is the "establishment"? Where do you get off deciding on our collective behalf (behalves?) that that's a bad thing? And mostly, how do you figure that you are the self-appointed fixer of that problem? So it's not to your personal liking so you are going to take it upon yourself to change it? You have gotten tons of feedback to the effect that your posting style is not appreciated by many here. You even ASKED for that feedback, and got it in the nicest way I can imagine people putting it. You have completely ignored that feedback and now are basically saying that you intend to continue doing so. Now you've even managed to spread the discontent to the Memorabilia side, and almost derailed a very cool and sweet idea that Gil floated on the Post-War side by incessantly jabbing at it and ignoring what others were telling you. And no, I don't feel bad for you any more. Comments like providing a variety of topics (your excuse a few days ago for starting numerous fluff threads) and now livening things up tell me that you are consciously and selfishly rejecting everything you've been told and are going to continue behavior that irritates the hell out of a lot of people here. Well you can keep your livening up. And I'm fine with the topics that have been here, thanks. (Sorry everyone else for the rant. I've never gone off on anyone like this before, but his smug comments about providing topics and us being the establishment - after people went so out of their way to be nice in their comments the past few days - just put me over the edge after a long day. Go ahead and delete Leon. I'll understand.) Joann Kline

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10-17-2007, 04:56 PM

Posted By: pasJoAnn -- beautiful. I concur completely. EDITED TO ADD It's now about ego and spite, as well as whatever it was about to begin with.

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10-17-2007, 05:04 PM

Posted By: peter chaoJoanne, I fail to see the extreme tolerance that you have been speaking about. And just because some of the criticism is hiding behind smiley faces doesn't mean the comment is tolerant. If the comments I've made are so off the wall then why bother commenting on them? Peter C.

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10-17-2007, 05:11 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanPeter, are you aware that you yourself use the smiley face to attempt to deflect any criticism from one of your moronic posts? Like a dog who rolls over on his back in an attempt to avoid a confrontation? Please tell me you understand this. Do you truly not appreciate the irony of the posts critical of you which include the smiley face? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <----- note smiley face (doesn't that make it all better?)

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10-17-2007, 05:13 PM

Posted By: Ed IveyToo much sanctimony. Lighten up, folks. I don't thing heavy boozing is far removed from vintage baseball history. Might make a good typecard collection. Was Paul Waner a heavy boozer?

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10-17-2007, 05:17 PM

Posted By: pasPeter C., you fail completely to respond to JoAnn's post. The bottom line is that you are willfully pissing off (sorry Leon) MANY members and likely many more who are too polite to say so. You know it, and indeed you now purport to justify it on the ground that you are somehow shaking things up which is the most ludicrous and egotistical statement I have ever heard -- well maybe not as egotistical as your own pronouncement about your supposed creativity. It's all about spite and ego now isn't it, not a genuine desire to discuss VINTAGE sports cards or related subjects?

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10-17-2007, 05:29 PM

Posted By: Paul SWithout taking sides on this issue, because I respect both sides of it (what a fencesitter!) I do have to say that the first half of this thread contained 8-9 legitimate responses to the topic from 8-9 legitimate/respected members.

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10-17-2007, 05:38 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneWell here we are again! I come back from work and theres good old Peter hard at work again. Peter I tried to tell you in a nice way last night on the memorablia side THINK BEFORE YOU POST. I asked you ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING! I guess I got my answer. All you want to do it seems is turn up the flame and get people angry. Your suppose to be a lawyer Peter not a clown in a three ring circus. Remember first ammendment rights working here! Oh thats right that was one of your other great threads you started TICKETS and the first ammendment. Peter do us all a favor if you are going to continue to do this stay on the memorabilia side for 3 days and we will stay on this side then at the end of 3 days we will go to the other side and you can come back here. This way we can be like ships that pass in the night . Jeez Peter WAKE UP your like a bad dream that never goes away!!

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10-17-2007, 05:39 PM

Posted By: Jim VBI find Peter's posts falling into three distinct categories. The perfectly acceptable. The inane. And the factually incorrect. (I will leave it to each of you individually to decide the % breakdown.) What is disturbing to me is that he doesn't see the difference. Personally, I am most bothered by the factually incorrect ones.

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10-17-2007, 05:46 PM

Posted By: steve yawitzIf a community ignores attention-seeking behavior, the frequency of the problem tends to diminish.

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10-17-2007, 05:58 PM

Posted By: Todd Schultz"If a community ignores attention-seeking behavior, the frequency of the problem tends to diminish." I'm gonna pretend I didn't read that.

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10-17-2007, 06:00 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellI have tried to bite my tongue in recent days but it is just too much to do. Count me among those who cannot take it anymore. What annoys me is the constant barrage of inane posts. I just posted an off-topic post today but I believe it is the first I have ever done. Peter --you are inundating us with off-topic posts and damaging the fabric of the board. Just stop creating threads or limit yourself to one per week. Secondly, get your facts straight before coning on and talking. You are wrong so much with your facts it is embarrassing! Do some research. It has nothing to do with being a newby. This is a board with a lot of knowledgeable people about vintage cards. Don't just make it up as you go along. Lastly, you sound ridiculous with your legal opinions. When Jeff or Peter Spaeth speak with a legal opinion it is clear they know what they are talking about. I'm not a lawyer but sometimes your legal statements are flat out ridiculous. Aren't you embarrassed when other lawyers make you sound silly or even stupid? Sorry, but I just think it has to stop.

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10-17-2007, 06:17 PM

Posted By: barrysloatePeter- I generally try to keep a low profile in this type of thread, but I too need to say something. You came on the board Sunday and asked specific questions about your posting, among them if you post too frequently. And everyone responded rather emphatically that you started too many posts, too many off-topic posts, and especially too many poorly conceived posts. And if you were reasonable about it you would have taken it to heart, thanked everyone for their candor, and made a change. However, you instead chose to seize the moment by asking which ballplayers consumed too much alcohol, among several other inanities. I even had to wonder at one point if you were serious or goofing on the board. What is clear is you have gotten quite a number of people upset. Don't you think taking a breather would be in order here?

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10-17-2007, 06:29 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman"Just look at all the equivocal answers I'm getting on this thread." --Peter C.

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10-17-2007, 06:31 PM

Posted By: Ed IveyDidn't David Wells boast about tossing his perfect game while still half in the bag from the night before?

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10-17-2007, 06:31 PM

Posted By: pasJeff as long as there are a few kind and patient folks who tolerate him (and, worse, respond substantively to his posts), that will be all the reinforcement he needs.

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10-17-2007, 06:35 PM

Posted By: Ed IveyThough some thrive on negative reinforcement, like counting number of posts, complete with dates and times.

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10-17-2007, 06:40 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJeff, I rarely laugh out loud at what someone says here but that last comment made me do it--very funny.

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10-17-2007, 06:41 PM

Posted By: Jeremy W.Obviously there are many of the usual posters who want you to offer an ultimatum to Peter. I think it's ridiculous. No, actually it's not ridiculous, why don't you let everyone know that unless their post is considered worthy by a certain few, that there is no point in wasting their time?

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10-17-2007, 07:02 PM

Posted By: leonand I did....see my last post in the other thread, on this side, about the memorabilia side....and also my post on the memorabilia side....it is in fact time for Peter C to take a breather...not a formal one, as in banning, but a friendly request from me. Lets stay on topic and be very careful of inane (or is it "insane") posts, Peter.......kindest regards...moderator dude...

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10-17-2007, 07:08 PM

Posted By: Brian McQueenI think Peter may have started this topic in somewhat of a "casual" manner, however the topic of how alcohol may have influenced careers of the players we all admire from the pre-war era is a very interesting one in my opinion. For example, allow me to quote an excerpt from "July 2, 1903", a biography of Ed Delehanty. "Delahanty, drunk and disorderly, had been put off the train late one night at a way station just across the Niagara River from Buffalo, New York. Shortly afterward, he had plunged off the International Bridge into the waters below, where he was swept downriver and over the powerful waterfall...." To this day, Delehanty remains very popular with collectors and those intrigued with his death. Whether it was a suicide or an accident, however, alchohol did play a prominant role in what happened. Many other ballplayers had their careers cut short or otherwise affected by drinking. I won't condemn Peter's thread (in this case anyways) as I believe the careers of the ballplayers on the cards we collect is not so off-topic as one might think but perhaps the topic could have been approached a little more sensibly. -Brian McQueen

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10-17-2007, 07:33 PM

Posted By: Paul SBrian said: I won't condemn Peter's thread (in this case anyways) as I believe the careers of the ballplayers on the cards we collect is not so off-topic as one might think but perhaps the topic could have been approached a little more sensibly. I think you're right Brian. Probably a related anecdote that he knows of, accompanied by a scan of the player's card of the subject, would have been good for the initial post. "...however the topic of how alcohol may have influenced careers of the players we all admire from the pre-war era is a very interesting one in my opinion." Me too. I'm curious about Germany Schaefer Did he hit the bottle or was he just born wacky? In specific, there is the example of him stealing second base, from there going backward and stealing back to first, and then stealing second again. <img src="http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z26/pspec/T206_Schaefer_throwing.jpg"> edited for italics and scan

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10-17-2007, 08:07 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaHere's a photo of Germany Schaefer goofing around in Cuba circa 1905-06...this came from the Matty McIntyre estate. <img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/nudan92/Vintage%20Baseball%20Snapshots/germanySmall.jpg">

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10-17-2007, 08:42 PM

Posted By: Paul SThanks Dan. I can't even tell -- are they supposed to be fishing? playing limbo? or what? What's that on the sidewalk to the left? Looks like a fabric toilet seat lid! (I know you likely have no answer to these questions)

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10-17-2007, 08:53 PM

Posted By: Ryan Christoff<img src="http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n148/vajra1/prof_chaos.jpg">

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10-17-2007, 09:02 PM

Posted By: leonWhat would you be doing to give us a smile if it wasn't for Peter? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> (< note smiley face)....One other thing....this asking of Peter to calm down a little by me wasn't/isn't intended for anyone to think I don't like Peter. I do....though we have never met in person. Quite honestly if it were just up to me I wouldn't have asked anything of Peter C.....at least, yet <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253F partner%253DZSzeb008%255FZN%2526i%253D26%252F26%25 5F8%255F4%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_8_4.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0"><img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252F nocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egi f%253Fi%253D26%252F26_8_4/image.gif"></a>

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10-17-2007, 09:04 PM

Posted By: ItsOnlyGilIt don't look like goofin around to me. Each of them seems rather intent. The two squatting are clearly focused on whatever is at the end of the stick, while Germany is keeping careful watch on the cloth toilet seat.

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10-17-2007, 09:11 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaThere were quite a few photos of Germany 'goofing' around in the Matty McIntyre album...in fact there were lots of photos of Schaefer period in that album. It makes me wonder about the divisions on those early Detroit teams since McIntyre was clearly very friendly with Schaefer and Schaefer was friendly with Ty Cobb, but McIntyre and Cobb hated each other perhaps more than any other two guys on that team.

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10-17-2007, 09:51 PM

Posted By: Jerry HrechkaOne of my favorite Mickey Mantle stories (Not sure if it's true) - Mickey Mantle: "SKIP - I'M SO HUNG OVER I"M SEEING THREE OF EVERYTHING". Casey Stengel: "SWING AT THE BALL IN THE MIDDLE". Edited to correct spelling.

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10-18-2007, 08:05 AM

Posted By: ScottI am interested in the topic of this post. There was a few good responses before everyone started attacking Peter. It bothers me that some people here feel it necessary to attack someone who in my opinion isn't aggresive by nature. Keep posting Peter. As mostly a lurker on this forum, I have learned that I can ignore the posts that I can't or don't want to respond to. I don't have any pre-war stories of players who were drunkards, but would be interested in them. Scott.

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10-18-2007, 01:54 PM

Posted By: peter chaoScot, Thank you for your support, but aren't you worried that the Establishment will turn their back on you? I also thank those that e-mailed their support to me. For the time being the Establishment has won and we continue to plod along. Peter C.

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10-18-2007, 02:03 PM

Posted By: barrysloatePeter- please answer this, who is the Establishment? That's a bit of a cryptic comment.

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10-18-2007, 02:05 PM

Posted By: ScottPeter, Most of the 6-8 times I've ever posted on this board have been the last posts on a given thread. I'm the Net54 cooler. I'm happy and content in life. The establishment feels empowered when they respond the way they do, but they really have no power. Take care, Scott.

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10-18-2007, 02:08 PM

Posted By: pasI don't think any of us who object to Pete C.'s excesses feels "empowered." Au contraire, we just resent his deliberate, spiteful efforts to "shake up" that which is working just fine.

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10-18-2007, 02:12 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanBarry, of course the Establishment is The Man. You know, anyone who would want to keep a brilliant visionary/reactionary like Pete Chao off the boards so as to prevent him from turning the baseball card collecting community on its head. When I think of Pete I can only think of.... Shaft! Who's the black private dick That's a sex machine to all the chicks? (Shaft!) You're damn right Who is the man That would risk his neck for his brother man? (Shaft!) Can ya dig it? Who's the cat that won't cop out When there's danger all about (Shaft!) Right on You see this cat Shaft is a bad mother-- (Shut your mouth) But I'm talkin' about Shaft (Then we can dig it) He's a complicated man But no one understands him but his woman (John Shaft)

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10-18-2007, 02:15 PM

Posted By: E, DanielYou leave me open mouthed. If by establishment you mean hobbyists with exceptional knowledge about cards, and you have no real interest in their thoughts or the sharing of that knowledge...... I'm effing speechless. Have you been lurking long enough to realize who actually has the information material to these discussions? Or does the topic bore you? If you prefer a school yard forum where people can chat about something other than vintage cards - what are you doing here? There's a place that sounds perfect for your interests. It's the CU board. Daniel

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10-18-2007, 02:18 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJeff- you actually know the lyrics to Shaft?

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10-18-2007, 02:21 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDoesn't everyone?

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10-18-2007, 02:22 PM

Posted By: pasLooks like a cut and paste job to me.

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10-18-2007, 02:24 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanLOL. You would doubt my knowledge of all things Shaft? Actually, it was cut and pasted. I guess those lyrics would be a tough thing to keep inside one's head for the past 30 years.... PS: Where the hell is Wonka when you need him?

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10-18-2007, 02:30 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJeff--I knew all those lyrics-sang along the whole way. I love it when they say--this cat Shaft is one bad mother...shut yo mouth..but I just talkin about Shaft...and we can dig it. Actually Peter remainds me of another black hero of the 70s--Superfly. You're gonna make your fortune by and by But if you lose, don't ask no questions why Only game you know is do or die

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10-18-2007, 02:36 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJim, fair point. As a member of the Establishment you bring up Superfly -- another Man like Pete who wouldn't bow down to convention: Hard to understand What a hell of a man This cat of the slum Had a mind, wasn't dumb But a weakness was shown 'Cause his hustle was wrong His mind was his own But the man lived alone

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10-18-2007, 02:40 PM

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10-18-2007, 02:41 PM

Posted By: pasFunny all these years I thought the phrase "and we can dig it" was "you're talking dirty"

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10-18-2007, 02:51 PM

Posted By: barrysloateBlaxploitation films were never my bag.

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10-18-2007, 02:55 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJeff, Or as Peter would say on another cut off the Superfly album, I'm so glad I've got my own So glad that I can see My life's a natural high The man can put no thing on me

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10-18-2007, 02:56 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliOK, I swear I just read Jim Crandell quoting 1970s funk lyrics on Net54. I knew I shouldn't have put those mushrooms on my pizza. -Al

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10-18-2007, 02:58 PM

Posted By: peter chaoGuys, If I'm such a one-man band, why bother responding to my earlier post with such venom? Peter C.

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10-18-2007, 02:59 PM

Posted By: Paul SAl - Jim didn't even need to cut and paste!

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10-18-2007, 02:59 PM

Posted By: barrysloateAl- I can't even spell psilocybin (I looked it up) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-18-2007, 03:01 PM

Posted By: barrysloateOkay Peter, it's not venom, but- you called us all the Establishment? Is that good or bad? Am I part of it too? I asked you a question, and you ignored it. When I am asked a question, I respond. Thank you.

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10-18-2007, 03:03 PM

Posted By: ScottIngold<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> To freak'n funny Jeff...... Where do you get this stuff ? I could see Peter the esteemed attorney entering court dressed in the finest 70's pimp outfit. alla Starsky and Hutch...... I think his name was huggy bear. Not sure though.

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10-18-2007, 03:03 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliPaul, he's not even quoting random lyrics - he's quoting lyrics that are relevant to this thread. I'm scared. -Al

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10-18-2007, 03:05 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellAl, I'm changing my image--can't you tell? Heck who else on this board has written down their top 1000 songs of all time in order and updates it every quarter....and probably knows almost every word to every one of them.

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10-18-2007, 03:07 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliJim: What's #1? -Al

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10-18-2007, 03:08 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellAs far as 70s funk is concerned my top 1000 is filled with artists like the Ohio Players, BT Express, Earth, Wind & Fire, Kool & the Gang and Ric James.

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10-18-2007, 03:09 PM

Posted By: Jim VBScot, et al, <> Huggy Bear is correct. He was the pimp/informant on Starsky and Hutch. He passed away a few year ago. What is his son doing for a living today?

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10-18-2007, 03:09 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliNo Sly? P-Funk? Gotta have George Clinton and Bootsy Collins in there. -Al

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10-18-2007, 03:09 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanRunning back!

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10-18-2007, 03:10 PM

Posted By: peter chaoBarry, I appreciate you trying to be a peacemaker in this situation...but it's not necessary. I'm planning to become more low-key. I've learned a lot from the Establishment on this Board and as a consequence I'm going to shape up. Peter C.

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10-18-2007, 03:11 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellAl, Funny you should ask. Change as of September 30th--Late Night Radio by David Gray.

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10-18-2007, 03:12 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanIn a cross examination a few years ago, I spent a few minutes dissecting the lyrics of the O'Jays' Backstabbers with an admitted killer.

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10-18-2007, 03:13 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellAl, Absolutely. Tear the Roof off the Sucker by Parliament/Funkadelic is 72. Sly hits the top 1,000 three times with Family Affair(426), I want to Take You Higher(615) and Dance to the Music(897).

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10-18-2007, 03:14 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneThanks Dan I cant believe I just sat and watched that for 5+ minutes!! AND ONCE AGAIN PETER Cs. THREAD HAS JUMPED UP 10 SPOTS TO TAKE OVER THE NET54 CHARTS!! And now we all know why Leon still like him!!! That peter C. is one tuff dude you see Yah shaft!! canya dig it!!

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10-18-2007, 03:14 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanPeter, why such thin skin? If you talk the talk you need to walk the walk. You think Che started pouting and gave up when the Bolivians made fun of his long hair and beret? Seriously, we've all learned a lot from you too. Granted most of it was erroneous legal advice, but still.

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10-18-2007, 03:15 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJeff, Great song. Love the O'Jays. My favorite OJays songs are Survival, For the Love of Money and Give the People What They Want.

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10-18-2007, 03:15 PM

Posted By: Paul S...I was in a very "proper" bank about a week ago, sitting in a plush chair talking to the a rep. There's a soft music radio station playing quietly in the background on their speaker system. All of a sudden I hear..."She's a very freaky gir-rl, dum da da dum..." Probably I was the only one who got the irony.

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10-18-2007, 03:17 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI don't know any of this music at all. Except for Sly and the Family Stone. Anybody else but me know any Jefferson Airplane lyrics?

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10-18-2007, 03:18 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellPaul, Another great song(Superfreak) as was MC Hammer's hit to the same beat--Can't touch this.

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10-18-2007, 03:22 PM

Posted By: James FeaginJim, Enough with this music talk <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> James

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10-18-2007, 03:24 PM

Posted By: Jim VBAs usual, Jeff is correct. The actor who played Huggy Bear was Antonio Fargas. His son, Justin, is a tailback for the Oakland Raiders. (Formerly of both Michigan and USC.)

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10-18-2007, 03:26 PM

Posted By: Paul SBarry -- I still have my vinyl album of Surrealistic Pillow. Jim -- "Superfreak" has made a minor comeback as a sampled part to a song by some current rap artist (not sure who but my 11-year-old knows!)

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10-18-2007, 03:26 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliThese mushrooms are making me thirsty. I don't even know what else to say. -Al EDIT: Except this: Lather was 30 years old today. They took away all of his toys. His mother sent newspaper clippings to him about old friends who'd stopped being boys.

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10-18-2007, 03:27 PM

Posted By: Bob PomillaWell, Barry, I do remember what the doormouse said.

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10-18-2007, 03:33 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJim, I have a recollection that Fargas played for MSU -- but I'm not certain. I just have a memory of him in green running down the field...

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10-18-2007, 03:34 PM

Posted By: Paul SIf that doormouse was really smart he'd of said "Keep you Mantles"

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10-18-2007, 03:40 PM

Posted By: pasOne pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small. And the ones that mother gives you, don't do anything at all.

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10-18-2007, 03:41 PM

Posted By: pasBarry I am like you, I doubt I would recognize any song post-1980. MC Hammer indeed.

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10-18-2007, 03:43 PM

Posted By: BobJim- I can't always remember where I was two weeks ago but the lyrics to the song Shaft still bang around in my head after all these years. Barry- "One pill makes you larger/And one pill makes you small/And the ones that mother gives you/Don't do anything at all/Go ask Alice, when she's 10 foot tall...." Yup, there are 60's animals out there who still retain the lyrics to when rock was really rock <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> tbob

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10-18-2007, 03:59 PM

Posted By: leonGo ask Alice....when she was 10 ft tall.....I saw Jefferson Airplane introducing Grace Slick.....in about 1980 in Hollywood at an open paladium somewhere in the side of a mountain (Greek Theater?).....and we were seeing things 10 ft tall too... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-18-2007, 04:20 PM

Posted By: Jim VBMichigan, not MSU, but you did make me check. <a href="http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/fargas_justin00.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/fargas_justin00.html</a> Switch your memories from green to maize and blue. But his best year really came at USC.

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10-18-2007, 04:54 PM

Posted By: Paul SMan, this thread is like a public landfill.

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10-18-2007, 04:59 PM

Posted By: peter chaoPaul S., This thread also resembles a Senate filibuster...it's worked the resistence has gone underground. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Peter C.

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10-18-2007, 05:16 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneBe careful Peter statements like that may bring the wrath of god back upon you!!!!! Jeff are you out there!!!

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10-18-2007, 05:17 PM

Posted By: Rob DewolfGeez, Peter, can't you give the entire me-against-the-establishment thing a rest? It's relevant only in your mind. Really.

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10-18-2007, 05:18 PM

Posted By: Rob DewolfAl, Jeff's at dinner, so I guess I'm filling in for him.

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10-18-2007, 05:29 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneRob, Thanks I knew I would get back-up from somebody!! By the way to all the members I just went thru this thread and out of the 119 posts (at the time) and being objective only 21 have anything to do with what this thread started out to be that peter started. That has to be a record! The only shaft I see is how many more posts it will take before we can put this one to bed!

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10-18-2007, 05:36 PM

Posted By: MartyI just think that it is great that we are all different..... even though annoying at times........DOWN SHAFT!!!!!!!!!!! GO YARD

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10-18-2007, 05:48 PM

Posted By: Greg ThebergeDid somebody mention "underground" in this music thread? <img src="http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z192/HiNeighbor_2007/34cd729fd7a03ffb6c7bd010__AA240__L.jpg"> I think it's time we all go out for a beer and a dog and chill out a bit.

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10-18-2007, 06:23 PM

Posted By: Eric Brehm"Al, Jeff's at dinner, so I guess I'm filling in for him." Thanks, I want to know what meals Jeff is eating and who is covering for him on this unbelievably fascinating thread. Absolutely, monumentally stupid.

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10-18-2007, 06:23 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellPaul, I used to have Superfreak as the ring tone on my cell but my daughter decided it was not hip enough and changed it to "In Da Club" by 50 cent. Barry--"Somebody to Love" my only Jefferson Airplane song in the Top 1,000 unless you count Jefferson Starship with "We Built This City".

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10-18-2007, 06:27 PM

Posted By: Rob DewolfEric, I forgot the smiley face. Had I remembered, you might have realized I was joking. As Al did. My bad.

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10-18-2007, 06:35 PM

Posted By: Eric BrehmSorry Rob, I didn't mean to pick on you. I haven't even read the whole thread. But this is really bad. Regards, Eric

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10-18-2007, 06:40 PM

Posted By: Rob DewolfEric, No problem at all. It was tough to tell that I was joking. And actually, I'm right there with you on this thread.

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10-18-2007, 07:03 PM

Posted By: Ken W.Hate to chime in here now, but I'm pretty sure that a recent poll among music critics had Starship's "We Built This City" as their #1 worst song of all-time!

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10-18-2007, 07:14 PM

Posted By: pasWhite Rabbit isn't in the top ONE THOUSAND? Seriously? For the Starship, Miracles blows We Built This City away!!!!

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10-18-2007, 07:17 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneEric, I totally agree its one of the worst threads ever. But to get you up to speed you have to go over to the memorabilia side and read "An offshoot of the first Amendment The freedom to post" and then you must read this whole post That will take about an hour for both! And then you may get the real jist of what all this thread is about!!!As I stated Rob took over for Jeff (Thank God) All I know is Im now in a great mood for winning the Oct Net 54 contest card!!! And am having a Drink !! Oh thats right that whay this thread started out as. LOL

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10-18-2007, 07:25 PM

Posted By: Eric BrehmAl, I'm having a drink too, though my doctors tell me I should lay off of it. Generally I have a pretty laissez faire attitude towards what people do in on-line communities, but sometimes I feel the need to spout off. Good luck with the contest.

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10-18-2007, 07:31 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellKen, You're absolutely right. It was VH1 100 worst songs of all time. What really ticked me off was that My Sharona by the Knaak which I love was in their Top 21 worst. Peter, I like White Rabbit too. Also like Volunteers.

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10-18-2007, 07:32 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliOh my, Jim, "We Built This City" is a dismal, dismal song. It is a PSA 1. For Starship I agree with "Miracles", and also "Jane" and "Black Widow." The only reason I can think of that you wouldn't have "White Rabbit", along with "Volunteers", the aforementioned "Lather", "We Can Be Together", "Wooden Ships," and "Plastic Fantastic Lover" in a top ONE THOUSAND songs of all time would be that you are a conservative Republican and cannot stand to have much hippie music on the list. At the same time I am pretty sure you grew up in the 60s and thus MUST have experienced how brilliant those songs are. "Lather" and "Wooden Ships" in particular. -Al

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10-18-2007, 07:35 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneEric, No problem at all. Thats what most of us have been doing to Peter C the last 2 days!! Have one for me and maybe tomorrow this thread will just be a memory!!

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10-18-2007, 07:41 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellAl, Weren't on Top 40--I don't know them. Lot of hippie songs in my top 1000--no band other than Steely Dan has more than 5 in the Top 1000.

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10-18-2007, 07:44 PM

Posted By: Jerry Hrechka Country Joe & The Fish 'Cmon all you big strong men Uncle Sam needs your help again He got himself in a terrible jam Way down yonder in Viet Nam So put down your books and pick up a gun We're gonna have a whole lot of fun And it's One Two Three What are we fighting for? Don't ask me, I don't give a damm. Next stop is Viet Nam And it's Five Six Seven open up the pearly gates No need to wonder why Whoopee we're all gonna die. Well come on fathers through out the land Pack your boys off to Viet Nam 'Cmon mothers don't hesitate Send them off before it's too late Be the first one on the block To have your boy come home in a box.

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10-18-2007, 07:47 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliJim: "Wooden Ships" is better known as a Crosby Stills Nash & Young song. "Lather" is just a beautiful, beautiful piece of music. What Steely Dan songs? -Al

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10-18-2007, 07:48 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellGood song--one of the real memorable songs at Woodstock.

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10-18-2007, 07:55 PM

Posted By: Paul SJim - "memorable" songs? They say if you remember Woodstock then you really weren't there! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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10-18-2007, 07:58 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThe Airplane had many other great songs on their first two albums "Surrealistic Pillow" and "After Bathing at Baxter's." They never quite had the same magic after that. And Country Joe's best was "Electric Music for the Body and Mind." That's the stuff they were playing in 1967 when they appeared on "Monterey Pop", the best movie ever made that captured the spirit of 60's rock.

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10-18-2007, 08:00 PM

Posted By: JoannIf this double posts I'll apologize in advance. I already sent it once, and it disappeared into nowhere. About right for this thread. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Both on current topic, and also appropriate for this thread: "Tell him a hooka smoking caterpillar has given you the call ... to call Alice." And maybe predictive for this thread, but mostly for Jim: "California ... tumbles into the sea. That'll be the day I go back to Annandale." J

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10-18-2007, 08:03 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellPaul, I wasn't there but I have seen the documentary several times. Loved the announcement-"Hey man, we got a report there is some bad acid here man so like only take half a tab man" Al, My all-time favorite band. Songs in my Top 1000 are Reelin in the Years, My Old School, Doctor Wu, Kid Charlemagne, Hey Nineteen, Deacon Blues, Gaslighting Abbie

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10-18-2007, 08:05 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliWhat an untraditional group of Steely Dan songs! I like. How many Ramones songs made the list? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> -Al

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10-18-2007, 08:07 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAl, Teenage Labotomy would be especially fitting for this thread. For the record, Jeff had a steak at Morton's.

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10-18-2007, 08:07 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJoann, One of the great lines in My Old School--my favorite Steely Dan song. Fagan sang it as an encore at a concert I saw them at last summer--in my opinion--nobody has as creative lyrics as Steely Dan.

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10-18-2007, 08:09 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellAl, No Ramones songs--not a big punk rock guy--Rock the Casbah on--a few "New Wave" songs. Big fan of the Talking Heads--I think David Byrne is a musical Genius.

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10-18-2007, 08:10 PM

Posted By: Joann<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I knew you'd know and like that one, Jim. When I was in grad school, I went through the last year writing my thesis with "Monkey in Your Soul" playing over and over, as loud as I could get it - the line was "I'll pack my things and run so far from here - goodbye dear." I still crank it up at work sometimes. J

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10-18-2007, 08:15 PM

Posted By: Al SimeoneJeff, I totally agree! Rob and I tried to hold down the fort but this thread just went out of control!!! I do believe all the board members went on ACID tonight just to make PETER C. happy!!! Mortons ah that sounds great!! Well leon just emailed me about the contest card I won!! Wow I cant see it to clearly looks like a wagner to me !! OOPS to much Alcohol I guess!!

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10-18-2007, 08:19 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJoann, Steely Dan was one of the most popular recording acts while I was in college but as you know they never toured. I am glad that they have toured more in their later years and I have seen them three times. While the music played you walked my candlelight Those San Franciscan nights--they were the best around Just by chance you crossed the diamond with the pearl You turned it one the world. Thats when you turned the world around Did you feel like Jesus? Did you realize, you were a champion in their eyes? On the hill the stuff was laced with kerosene But yours was kitchen clean Everyone stopped and stared At your technicolor motorhome Every head man had your number on the wall You must have had it all You'd go to LA on a dare and you'd go it alone.

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10-18-2007, 08:20 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliJeff, I microwaved a quesadilla here in Jersey while I wrote about Jefferson Airplane and listened to Grace Slick singing in my head. No steak here. My favorite Steely Dan song is probably "Aja" or maybe "Deacon Blue." I agree that David Byrne is a musical genius. But it's awfully hard to conceive of a list of a thousand songs without at least "I Wanna Be Sedated" on it. What a great thread Peter Chao started! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> -Al

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10-18-2007, 08:21 PM

Posted By: Eric BrehmSteely Dan did tour in the 1970's. Not often, but I did see them once. Well that does it for me. Bye bye.

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10-18-2007, 08:22 PM

Posted By: pasNo marigolds in the promised land There's a hole in the ground where they used to grow Any man left on the Rio Grande Is the king of the world As far as I know. EDIT TO ADD No cut and paste here.

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10-18-2007, 08:23 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellI have Psycho Killer and Burning Down the House on the Top 1000 and also a song by the Tom Tom Club(Chris and Tina) Aja was a great album and it seems like Fagan and Becker like to play songs from that more than any.

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10-18-2007, 08:25 PM

Posted By: pasBad Sneakers is probably my favorite Dan song, although there are many.

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10-18-2007, 08:28 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAl, at the next dinner both you and Jim will have to attend. At the very least we will work on Jim and demonstrate that there are 100 better Clash songs than "Rock the Casbah" -- including the first three songs on Give 'Em Enough Rope, probably the most brutal and best start to any Punk album ever.

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10-18-2007, 08:32 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJeff, Al and I are good collecting buds--I even owe him a dinner for setting up my scanner so set it up and its on me. Peter--I like that too. Loved the Can't Buy a Thrill almum with Dirty Work, Change of the Guard and Fire in the Hole and Pretzel Logic with Night by Night, Barrytown and the title song.

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10-18-2007, 08:34 PM

Posted By: John KalafarskiSome random thoughts associated with this post. Joe Page, the great Yankee closer in the '40s and '50s, drank himself out of the big leagues quickly. Coulda been better than Mariano. He chased women and stayed out all night too. When I was a kid in the fifties, we had a friend, then in his thirties, who played ball in the Cardinal system. He drank himself out of baseball. When I saw him at my uncle's house, which is where I would see him, he ALWAYS had a beer in his hand. Has anyone ever seen this Peter Chao character; does he really exist? Lawyers seem to have a lot of free time. I saw the Airplane just after "Baxter's" came out. Doesn't get any better than that (except maybe the young Rolling Stones).

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10-18-2007, 08:39 PM

Posted By: JoannI read years ago that Steely Dan toured a few times and then refused to do it. Their sound had a lot that came from a studio - from the different instruments to the mixers, etc. They toured it and found they could not recreate the complexities, and were dissatisfied with it so they stopped. Not sure why they changed their minds in later years - maybe better technology to support live shows. And for Peter S - more from your same song - the kind of stuff I'll crank up loud when there is a lot piling up ... There's no need to hide Taking things the easy way If I stay inside I might live 'til Saturday (Also no cut and paste here)

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10-18-2007, 08:41 PM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliJeff I'll take the entirety of "London Calling" over virtually any album ever. Months go by inbetween listens for me, and every time I put it on I expect it to bore me, and every time it blows me away. I would love to make one of those dinners someday, although I don't get into the city much these days. I enjoy the boonies more as I get older. -Al

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10-18-2007, 08:44 PM

Posted By: peter chaoJohn, Why did you remind me that I have a deposition tomorrow? Nope, I do not officially exist, now that I have joined the resistance my identity is top secret. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Peter C.

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10-18-2007, 08:48 PM

Posted By: Ken W.He Lives!!!! (And Al, word on "London Calling"!)

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10-18-2007, 08:53 PM

Posted By: pasWhat's a deposition?

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10-18-2007, 08:54 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanLondon Calling rocks -- as does the first Clash album. Very possibly the greatest band of all time. Peter, in order to remain a secret perhaps you should go further underground. Keep going...we'll tell you when to stop. Edited to add: <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <--- damn, almost forgot this thing

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10-18-2007, 08:56 PM

Posted By: pasYou and I will spend this day Driving in my car Through the ruins of Santa Fe

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10-18-2007, 09:09 PM

Posted By: JoannOK. Maybe after all these years I might finally be able to find this out. What the hell is a cobalt cigarette? And Jim - no doubt SD has some very very complicated lyrics. I'll admit that a lot of the time I really don't know exactly what they are saying. But I love the music, and in the cases where I can grab a stanza that is dead on to something I understand, those are burned into my brain. J

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10-18-2007, 09:13 PM

Posted By: pasJ -- what you smoke when you watch the sun go brown, of course.

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10-18-2007, 09:40 PM

Posted By: Eric BrehmGo Rockies!!! <img src="http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/ebrehm1/rockies2-1.jpg">

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10-18-2007, 11:25 PM

Posted By: Cobby33I'm getting a haircut this weekend.

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10-18-2007, 11:45 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCfavorite clash song: "this is radio clash"... speaking of alcohol... i had 2 "sambuca on the rocks" at dinner! p.s. jim- i'm impressed with your musical knowledge!

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10-19-2007, 05:09 AM

Posted By: barrysloateJohn K.- I saw the Airplane at least a couple of times at the Fillmore East, probably around 1967-68. The After Bathing at Baxter's Album was their absolute peak. 50 years ago today in rock history: On October 18, 1957, 15-year-old Paul McCartney makes his debut with the Quarry Men. He is nervous and messes up his guitar licks...but I think it eventually worked out for him down the road.