How many T207 Napoleons are there?

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>I just found it interesting that this spring SGC had about 50 Napoleon cards graded, respresenting probably 42 or 43 different players and I just sent in a J. Lapp Napoleon to be graded (probably SGC 10), HOWEVER, I did notice SGC now has 66 Napoleon cards representing 55 different players. Lapp will make 56. So does this mean that all 150 Recruits would have a corresponding Napoleon? I was thinking that only 50 players would end up with Napoleon backs (Tim's list of Rarer Recruits). <br /><br /><br />Thanks,<br />Scott<br /><br />THE LIST SGC CLAIMS AS NAPOLEON'S:<br /><br />AMOS STRUNK<br />ARLIE LATHAM<br />ARMANDO MARSANS<br />ARTHUR FLETCHER<br />BERT TOOLEY<br />BILL MCKECHNIE<br />BOB WILLIAMS<br />CASEY HAGEMAN<br />CHARLES DOOIN<br />CHARLIE HALL<br />CLAUDE DERRICK<br />CLYDE ENGLE<br />CY MORGAN<br />DEL GAINOR<br />DUFFY LEWIS<br />E.S. HALLINAN<br />EDWARD CICOTTE<br />EDWARD KONETCHY<br />ELMER KNETZER<br />GABBY STREET<br />GEORGE CHALMERS<br />GEORGE ELLIS<br />GERMANY SCHAEFER<br />HARRY GOWDY<br />HARRY HOOPER<br />HARRY WOLVERTON<br />HENRY SEVEROID<br />JACK LAPP<br />JACK LIVELY<br />JACK QUINN<br />JIM DELEHANTY<br />JIM SCOTT<br />JOHN COLLINS<br />JOHN FERRY<br />JOHN HENRY<br />JOHN J. MCGRAW<br />JOHN MILLER<br />LEFTY GEORGE<br />MAX CAREY<br />OSCAR STANAGE<br />OTIS CRANDALL<br />OTTO KNABE<br />PAT MORAN<br />ROBERT BYRNE<br />ROBERT HIGGINS<br />ROGER BRESNAHAN<br />ROLLIE ZEIDER<br />STANLEY YERKES<br />TERRY TURNER<br />THOMAS LEACH<br />TOM CLARKE<br />TRIS SPEAKER<br />WALLY SMITH<br />WALTER JOHNSON<br />WILBUR SCHARDT<br />WILLIAM STEELE<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>You can add Joe Tinker, Doc Scanlon and Wildfire Schulte (none graded by SGC) to your list of Napoleons.

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>I have a Daniels w/Napoleon reverse.<br />I had a bunch more that I sold off - I may have the info somewhere.....I remember Schardt; which is already on your list.<br /><br />Hope the info helps.<br /><br />Interestingly, the Daniels has a major blue print shift;<br />which is why I picked up the card.<br /><br /><br />Mark

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>This question is not something I worked on when I did the T207 articles, but it's clear to me that all 150 cards that came with Recruit backs were also printed with Napoleons, just in much smaller quantities. Of the ones reported so far, there are both the most common Recruit-class cards (Knabe, Bresnahan) and several of the least common (Ellis, Graham, Scott) so I think it's pretty safe to say that all 150 were printed with Napoleons.<br /><br />It would be nice if someone wanted to try and verify this for sure, but I think it would be a long haul for a (probably) predictable conclusion. <br /><br />In any case, here are the Napoleons reported by people who participated in my survey. <br /><br /><br />Block<br />Bresnahan<br />Byrne<br />Camnitz<br />Carrigan<br />Chalmers<br />Clarke<br />Collins<br />Crandall<br />Daubert<br />Delehanty<br />Engle<br />Fromme<br />Gainor<br />Graham<br />Kaler<br />Knabe<br />Lapp<br />Lennox<br />Livingston<br />McBride<br />McGraw<br />McKechnie<br />Milan<br />Morgan, Ray<br />Paskert<br />Rucker<br />Schaefer<br />Scott<br />Smith, Wallace<br />Snodgrass<br />Spratt<br />Stanage<br />Tooley<br />Walker<br />Wallace<br />Williams<br />Wiltse<br />Wingo

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Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p>George, LeftySGC 40<br />Livingston, Paddy (A)PSA 5<br />Smith, Wallace St. L. PSA 4<br />Engle, Clyde SGC 20<br />Leach, Thomas SGC 50<br />Schaefer, Germany SGC 40<br /><br />These are the only Nap backs I have in my complete set.

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>I have a Drake, Detroit. PSA 4 and a Delahanty Detroit SGC 40 <br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: <b>Betty</b><p>I had a SGC 40 Cy Morgan which I recently traded.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Millerhouse</b><p>I can add a Harmon to the listing.<br /><br />Best regards, all,<br /><br />Dan

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Posted By: <b>Frank Bennett</b><p>I have a Zack Wheat with a Napoleon back.

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Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>Engle, Leach, Morgan ...ungraded<br />Cicotte SGC 50<br />McGraw SGC 40<br />Hooper SGC 70<br /><br /><br />Alan

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>Thanks for all the info. I think Tim is right, just sit back another 3-5 years and we will now for sure.<br /><br />Scott

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>For those who care, the confirmed T207 Napoleon list would now be the following 83:<br /><br />1BLOCK<br />2BRESNAHAN<br />3BYRNE<br />4Camnitz<br />5CAREY<br />6Carrigan<br />7CHALMERS<br />8CICOTTE<br />9CLARKE<br />10COLLINS<br />11CRANDALL<br />12Daniels<br />13Daubert<br />14DELEHANTY<br />15DERRICK<br />16DOOIN<br />17Drake<br />18ELLIS<br />19ENGLE<br />20FERRY<br />21FLETCHER<br />22Fromme<br />23GAINOR<br />24GEORGE<br />25GOWDY<br />26Graham<br />27HAGEMAN<br />28HALL<br />29HALLINAN<br />30Harmon<br />31HENRY<br />32HIGGINS<br />33HOOPER<br />34JOHNSON<br />35Kaler<br />36KNABE<br />37KNETZER<br />38KONETCHY<br />39LAPP<br />40LATHAM<br />41LEACH<br />42Lennox<br />43LEWIS<br />44LIVELY<br />45Livingston (Big A)<br />46MARSANS<br />47McBride<br />48MCGRAW<br />49MCKECHNIE<br />50Milan<br />51MILLER, J.<br />52MORAN<br />53MORGAN, CY<br />54Morgan, Ray<br />55Paskert<br />56QUINN<br />57Rucker<br />58Scanlon<br />59SCHAEFER<br />60SCHARDT<br />61Schulte<br />62SCOTT<br />63SEVEROID<br />64SMITH, W.<br />65Snodgrass<br />66SPEAKER<br />67Spratt<br />68STANAGE<br />69STEELE<br />70STREET<br />71STRUNK<br />72Tinker<br />73TOOLEY<br />74TURNER<br />75Walker<br />76Wallace<br />77Wheat<br />78WILLIAMS<br />79Wiltse<br />80Wingo<br />81WOLVERTON<br />82YERKES<br />83ZEIDER<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>from my set I can add, Fisher white cap, Mullin no D and Simon. I have some more in the 4 sale box, may not have them out til Cleveland and will be getting some more in Cleveland in a lot I am picking up. I believe that you will find the list will match all of the cards that come with a Recruit back.<br /><br />Scott

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Posted By: <b>Scott</b><p>You can add to the confirmed list of Napoleon backed T207.<br />84 EASTERLY<br />85 GARDNER<br />86 LEIFIELD<br />87 Mullin No D on cap<br />88 Simon <br />89 Fischer<br /><br />1 BLOCK<br />2 BRESNAHAN<br />3 BYRNE<br />4 Camnitz<br />5 CAREY<br />6 Carrigan<br />7 CHALMERS<br />8 CICOTTE<br />9 CLARKE<br />10 COLLINS<br />11 CRANDALL<br />12 Daniels<br />13 Daubert<br />14 DELEHANTY<br />15 DERRICK<br />16 DOOIN<br />17 Drake<br />18 ELLIS<br />19 ENGLE<br />20 FERRY<br />21 FLETCHER<br />22 Fromme<br />23 GAINOR<br />24 GEORGE<br />25 GOWDY<br />26 Graham<br />27 HAGEMAN<br />28 HALL<br />29 HALLINAN<br />30 Harmon<br />31 HENRY<br />32 HIGGINS<br />33 HOOPER<br />34 JOHNSON<br />35 Kaler<br />36 KNABE<br />37 KNETZER<br />38 KONETCHY<br />39 LAPP<br />40 LATHAM<br />41 LEACH<br />42 Lennox<br />43 LEWIS<br />44 LIVELY<br />45 Livingston (Big A)<br />46 MARSANS<br />47 McBride<br />48 MCGRAW<br />49 MCKECHNIE<br />50 Milan<br />51 MILLER, J.<br />52 MORAN<br />53 MORGAN, CY<br />54 Morgan, Ray<br />55 Paskert<br />56 QUINN<br />57 Rucker<br />58 Scanlon<br />59 SCHAEFER<br />60 SCHARDT<br />61 Schulte<br />62 SCOTT<br />63 SEVEROID<br />64 SMITH, W.<br />65 Snodgrass<br />66 SPEAKER<br />67 Spratt<br />68 STANAGE<br />69 STEELE<br />70 STREET<br />71 STRUNK<br />72 Tinker<br />73 TOOLEY<br />74 TURNER<br />75 Walker<br />76 Wallace<br />77 Wheat<br />78 WILLIAMS<br />79 Wiltse<br />80 Wingo<br />81 WOLVERTON<br />82 YERKES<br />83 ZEIDER<br />84 EASTERLY<br />85 GARDNER<br />86 LEIFIELD<br />87 Mullin No D on cap<br />88 Simon <br />89 Fischer