T206 Red HINDU cards.....SURVEY [Archive]

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06-21-2007, 08:36 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedA favorite "toughie" for most T206 collectors, there are a possible 110 Subjects that were printed with the Red HINDU back. This includes cards in the 350/460 Series, the 460-only Series, and the Six Super Prints. To date, we have confirmed only 45 different Red Hindu's from the T206 set. I'll start with my two examples.....two real "characters" from the NY Giants.....let's see yours; and, perhaps we'll have some new ones to add to the known list ? TED Z <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/adonlinmcgrawrhindu.jpg"> <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/bbredhindu.jpg">

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06-21-2007, 08:37 AM

Posted By: Marc S.I have a Magee with Bat, although i don't have a scan on me at the time. I also know that a Doolan batting exists. If the owner of that one would like to trade/divest it, I would certainly be a very willing buyer.

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06-21-2007, 08:57 AM

Posted By: LeeMy New Red Hindu via the last Goodwin Auction: <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182351232.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182351260.JPG"> And 2 Red Hindu's I just sold to a board member: <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182351349.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182351372.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182351393.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182351420.JPG"> Edited to add name

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06-21-2007, 09:11 AM

Posted By: MVSNYClooking to upgrade...<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182352247.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182352236.JPG">

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06-21-2007, 09:21 AM

Posted By: BobThere is a Heinie Wagner with a Red Hindu back somewhere in the world as I sold it about 10 years ago, for anyone keeping track. Can't remember if it is bat left or bat right.

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06-21-2007, 10:47 AM

Posted By: Jim Dale<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182358013.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182357992.JPG">

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06-21-2007, 10:52 AM

Posted By: peter ullmani still have the brown...sold the other 2. sorry for the old...huge scan but I'm between crown preps! pete ullman <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182361082.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182361098.JPG"> edited size and added backs

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06-21-2007, 11:40 AM

Posted By: DylanUnfortunatly i dont own a red hindu yet... but i was wondering in that large survey done were red hindus found to be tougher then the black lenox?

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06-21-2007, 11:56 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedDYLAN Black Lenox backs are about twice as easy to find as the Red HINDU cards. Both these backs can theoretically be found on 110 Subjects. So far, no new Red HINDU's have been reported here. When I get the chance I'll post the 42 known Red HINDU's. TED Z

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06-21-2007, 01:06 PM

Posted By: DylanWow really twice as tough? Its interesting that they sell for roughly the same amount, but i suppose it has to do with the fact that people can substitute a brown hindu whereas theres no cheaper lenox.

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06-21-2007, 01:09 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCDylan- kinda true, i guess...similiar situation with the BL 460 & Drum...but obviously the BL 460 is way scarcer.

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06-21-2007, 01:44 PM

Posted By: LeePSA 1 red hindu = $400-$450 PSA 1 lenox = $250 -$300 IMO red hindu's carry more value because they are much rarer as Mike and others have stated, but I don't think they are roughly the same price. Even in PSA 1, Red hindu's are worth about $150 more than black lenox, a significant difference. The same is true with Drum and BL 460. I think BL 460 is significantly scarcer and demands a significant premium over Drum.

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06-21-2007, 02:49 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedLEE My experience, as I just told Dylan, is that LENOX backs (while they are tough) are considerably more available than Red HINDU. The Survey that shows us only 42 Red HINDU's are confirmed, shows us about 80+ LENOX backs confirmed. Also, I have to disagree with you regarding DRUM vs Broad Leaf 460. Granted BL 460 backs are very scarce, but DRUM's are in higher demand....therefore, sell for comparable prices as the BL 460. This higher demand is due to many, many more T206 collectors needing DRUM's to complete their basic "15 T-brand sub-set". And, they already have a Broad Leaf 350; therefore, don't go after the BL 460. I've been selling T206's for over 25 years and I can tell you this is very true.It basically boils down to....... the law of supply vs demand. TED Z

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06-21-2007, 03:11 PM

Posted By: Marc S.<<lan- kinda true, i guess...similiar situation with the BL 460 & Drum...but obviously the BL 460 is way scarcer.>> There's just so many of those darn Drums laying around. Not scarce at all! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-21-2007, 03:32 PM

Posted By: judson hamlinI can confirm a Johnson pitching (g/g-vg) that i saw at EPSCC a few years ago, but didn't buy because 800.00 was too much. The next sound you hear will be me kicking myself in the arse.

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06-21-2007, 03:41 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Judson, That's one of my favorite cards..... <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/17061019.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/17061013.jpg"> Be well Brian

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06-21-2007, 04:19 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCMarc- you know what i mean... Drum is very tuff, but i have owned a few...Broad Leaf 460, on the other hand...it took me many many years to get one... Ted- i understnad your thinking, and see your point. i am working on a master back set, constantly upgrading...i have most of the tuffer ones, now just need to infill with some of the more common series/factories (all PSA mid-high grade). now those darn brown old mills & lenox, are a different story...

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06-21-2007, 04:19 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182377948.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1182377974.JPG">

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06-21-2007, 04:46 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedThe list of the 41 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....6/21/07 Possible total = 110 Subjects Baker Bender (trees) M. Brown (Chi) Burch (fldg) Chase (blue) Chase (dark cap) Cobb (bat off) Crandall (cap) Davis (A's) Devore Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Duffy Elberfeld (Wash-fldg) Evers (Chi-bat) Ford Gandil Geyer Griffith (bat) Hummell Johnson (pitch) Konetchy (glove low) Magee (bat) Manning (pitch) McGraw (glove hip) O'Leary (hds/knees) Pfeffer Rucker (throw) Seymour (throw) Sheckard (glove) Snodgrass (fldg) Stahl (glove) Street (fldg) Sweeney (NY) Tannehill (Chi-throw)) Wagner (bat/right) Wheat Willis (throw) CYoung (glove)

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06-21-2007, 05:13 PM

Posted By: JimBBrian, Where do you find these? That is a great card!! JimB

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06-21-2007, 06:56 PM

Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4163/t206cobbredhindupsa4jo7.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a> <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7610/t206cobbredhindubkup9.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a> A new one for your list...

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06-21-2007, 08:17 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAaron and Brian, incredible cards. And Aaron, please post the Chase -- I was the underbidder. Very sad underbidder.

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06-21-2007, 09:38 PM

Posted By: barry arnoldWow! these cards are beauts! no red hindu for me yet. just some great browns! best, barry

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06-21-2007, 10:08 PM

Posted By: Jim DaleThat last Cobb is amazing; great card.

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06-21-2007, 11:13 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Aaron, Amazing card!!! I had heard reports of it's existence, but had never seen one, especially one that nice. I Love Red Hindu's.....

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06-22-2007, 06:53 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedYou have us all beat when it comes to T206 rare backs, both in quantity and quality. How about showing us some more of those fine looking Red HINDU's you have ? TED Z

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06-22-2007, 06:59 AM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Ted, I'll be happy to post some scans when I get off work this afternoon. Have a great day. Brian

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06-22-2007, 08:30 AM

Posted By: Paul S<img src="http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z26/pspec/T206_Duffy_f-b_Hindu_Red.jpg">

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06-22-2007, 03:38 PM

Posted By: Aaron SeefeldtJeff, I'll post the Chase tonight when I get home... -Aaron Seefeldt

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06-22-2007, 04:25 PM

Posted By: judson hamlinDear Brian, You seem like a nice guy, but please take up stamps, coins, postcards, pogs, anything... You're not leaving anything for the rest of us. Signed, T206 collectors everywhere :0}

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06-22-2007, 04:36 PM

Posted By: robert aHas anyone owned/documented a red hindu back with either of the two Tinkers generally found with 460 backs (Bat on and Bat off)? Also same question with Chance Yellow and Batting? They must be out there somewhere. Thanks, Robert

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06-22-2007, 05:48 PM

Posted By: JimB<img src="http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1502/t206wheatredhindu2oj4.jpg"> <img src="http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9293/t206wheatredhindubackpk1.jpg">

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06-22-2007, 05:48 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedROBERT I expect a Red HINDU Chance (yellow portrait) to show up in due time. And, ditto for Matty (Dark cap). Both these cards are in the Super Print category, of which there are SIX cards. The other four....Chase (blue), Chase (dark cap), Cobb (red), and Evers (Chi-bat) have been confirmed with Red HINDU backs. TED Z

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06-22-2007, 08:09 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Ted, These are for you my friend...... I have a 11, but nothing unknown: <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0016-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0015-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0021-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0020-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0019-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0017-1.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0018-2.jpg"> Hi Judson, I don't like stamps or coins(unless they are Gold) and luckily never bought a Pog, so I guess you are stuck with me... FYI I did take your advice... I only bid on 1 lot in Mastro and it's a loser, so good luck. Be well Brian PS The sloate auction is another story..

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06-22-2007, 10:38 PM

Posted By: steve yawitzAmazing Cobb, Aaron. What a fantastic card! Love those Cardinals, too, Brian. Another Brown Hindu arrived today, but I really want a Red one after seeing all these.

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06-23-2007, 07:14 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedThanks for displaying some of your Red HINDU's. How many of these backs do you have in your T206 collection ? TED Z

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06-23-2007, 08:56 PM

Posted By: Trae R.Ted, he said: " Hi Ted, These are for you my friend...... I have a 11, but nothing unknown." Beautiful cards!

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06-23-2007, 09:01 PM

Posted By: judson hamlinBrian - Great cards, especially the Konetchy. Cool pose. Good luck with Barry's auction; don't overlook those pogs, though, or maybe 1987 Topps...

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06-23-2007, 09:44 PM

Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1376/t206chaseportredhindumk6.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2285/t206chaseportredhindubkmp2.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31

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06-23-2007, 09:52 PM

Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt<a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1203/t206crandallredhinducq1.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31 <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9973/t206crandallredhindubackk4.jpg" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31

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06-24-2007, 06:35 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedScratch my question to you.....upon 2nd glance, I see you answered it already..... Best regards ole buddy, TED Z

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06-24-2007, 06:55 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedCare to trade your Red HINDU Chase for my Broad Leaf Chase ? Ha....I didn't think so....but, I thought I'd ask. OK, guys and gals, show us your pretty looking Red HINDU's. I know they're rare, but, there has to be more of them in Net54er's collections....than we have seen, so far ? TED Z

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06-25-2007, 10:48 AM

Posted By: aaron seefeldtMcGraw, Tannehill, & Duffy seem to be more common than others... <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/651/t206duffyredhindupsa3jb0.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31 <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4943/t206duffyredhindupsa3bkrs3.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31 <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9545/rdhindutannehilcs5.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31 <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1412/rdhindutannbkkb7.png" border="0" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"/></a> Shot at 1969-12-31

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06-25-2007, 01:00 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedI also have a Red HINDU Tannehill.......and, let's add Wheat to this mix. So, we have Duffy, McGraw, Tannehill, and Wheat....each in "triplicate"....now what does this tell us ? TED Z

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06-25-2007, 01:38 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Ted, Add Gandil to the list, as I have seen 6 of them. Be well Brian

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06-25-2007, 03:49 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedAt the last Philly Show I saw a couple of Red HINDU Gandil cards. It's very interesting how certain ones show up in multiples. We are going to have to delve into this recurring matter. TED Z

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06-25-2007, 09:10 PM

Posted By: Paul SProbably an oxymoron when it comes to Red Hindu.

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06-25-2007, 09:43 PM

Posted By: Paul STed Odd thing about Gandil is I think he may show up with rarer backs with relative frequency (Gee, I'm an oxymoronist!) I have 3 Gandils, each with a different back -- Cycle, American Beauty and Tolstoi. I got them so long ago when collecting backs wasn't really a big deal, and I wouldn't have gone out of my way to get more than one.

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06-26-2007, 05:56 PM

Posted By: Aaron SeefeldtFunny thing is when I had said: McGraw, Tannehill, & Duffy seem to be more common than others... I was refering to McGraw Portrait with Hat as I've seen at least 4 different ones. Add McGraw Portrait with Hat to the red hindu list...

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06-26-2007, 06:08 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedAARON Are you sure that you really mean the McGraw (with cap) ? I have never seen him on Red HINDU; and so far, he is not on my list of confirmed Red HINDU subjects. But, if you are certain....I will add him to list. TED Z

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06-26-2007, 06:14 PM

Posted By: Anonymous100% certain

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06-26-2007, 06:40 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedThanks, I have added him to the list. You have provided the only two new additions.....and, here we are at 50 posts. We have a long way to go to confirm what is theoretically 110 possible subjects with Red HINDU backs..... but, I do not think all these 110 were printed with the Red HINDU brand. EDITED.....to state that the McGraw (port-cap) in the 460-only Series has been confirmed with the LENOX back. Which raises doubts about the Red HINDU card of him ? Red HINDU and LENOX are mutually exclusive in the 460-only Series. This is explained in my new Thread on Red HINDU cards. TED Z

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06-27-2007, 01:06 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedI fully appreciate what you are saying about Gandil. This card is in the 460-only Series. And, there are some more like your Gandil in this series. For instance Smith (Chi & Bos), here are 8 backs I've found of him. I was able to find the tougher T-brands on this card before I found a Piedmont 460 of him for my Piedmont set. There are about 4 more T-brands, this card was printed on. And, I wonder if we will find this Smith with a Red HINDU ? TED Z <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/arraysmith460.jpg">

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06-27-2007, 11:09 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedI'll make it a "trifecta" for TANNEHILL...... <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/aaredhindutann.jpg">

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06-27-2007, 06:47 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisUpdated list of the 42 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....6/26/07 Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the remaining 68 subjects are "No-Prints". And, so far in this survey we are seeing multiples of.....M. Brown (Chi).....Chase (dk cap)..... Crandall (cap)....Duffy....Gandil....McGraw (glove)....Tannehill....Wheat Baker Bender (no trees) M. Brown (Chi) Burch (fldg) Chase (blue)............super-print Chase (dark cap)......super-print Cobb (red)...............super-print Cobb (bat off) Crandall (cap)..........460-only Davis (A's) Devore....................460-only Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Duffy.......................460-only Elberfeld (Wash-fldg) Evers (Chi-bat)..........super-print Ford........................460-only Gandil......................460-only Geyer......................460-only Griffith (bat) Hummell...................460-only Johnson (pitch) Konetchy (glove low) Magee (bat) Manning (pitch) McGraw (glove hip).....460-only O'Leary (hds/knees) Pfeffer......................460-only Rucker (throw) Seymour (throw) Sheckard (glove)........460-only Snodgrass (fldg) Stahl (glove) Street (fldg) Sweeney (NY) Tannehill (Chi-throw)....460-only Wagner (bat/right) Wheat........................460-only Willis (throw) CYoung (glove) I REPEAT....any more Red HINDU's out there in Net54-land ? ? T-Rex TED

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06-28-2007, 07:11 AM

Posted By: Scot Reader Hi Ted, I think you mean Bender (No Trees). Bender (Trees) is 350-only. Scot

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06-28-2007, 08:55 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisSCOT Thanks for the correction on Bender. TED Z

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06-30-2007, 12:00 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCthanks to Hank & Scott L.<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1183140023.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1183140041.JPG">

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06-30-2007, 01:42 PM

Posted By: scottOur best red hindu is Kleinow Boston (SGC 60 / 5). We also have the devore in a one (currently offered for sale and already posted here previously) and a likely trimmed common -- can't remember the player right now.

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07-01-2007, 06:59 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedFinal go around on searching out the T206 Red HINDU backs. We have only confirmed 44 out of a possible 110 subjects. Can we show or tell anymore than 44 ? ? TED Z

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07-01-2007, 08:03 AM

Posted By: Art M.Hi Ted, Another interesting thread! Here are my T206 Red Hindu cards: BENDER (NO TREES) CHASE (BLUE) DOWNEY (BAT) DOYLE (BAT) GRIFFITH (BAT) O'LEARY (HOK) RUCKER (THROW) STAHL STREET (CATCH) SWEENEY WHEAT WILLIS (THROW) Nothing new to add to your list. Art

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07-04-2007, 01:26 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedART M Thanks for your inputs....it's always nice to re-confirm what we know about The Monster....as we try to tame it. TED Z

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07-04-2007, 02:20 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Ted, A lot of these Red Hindu's came from this lot from Mastro 1996: <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0002-4.jpg"> <img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Scan0003-2.jpg"> Be well Brian Be sure and add Kleinow to the known list, as it's in this auction and I have seen this card. I think I have a scan...in a psa 4 holder?

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07-04-2007, 03:05 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedI will upgrade the list an add Kleinow (Bos) to it. Kleinow contradicts the "LENOX - Red HINDU mutual exclusivity" rule for cards in the 460-only Series. Have you read my other Red HINDU thread regarding this "rule" ? I'm beginning to think Scot Reader's original classification of this Kleinow (and, also Smith - Chi & Bos) belonging in the 350/460 Series is possibly more accurate. Gee, these 2 subjects are a mystery. Do you know if Smith exists with both LENOX & Red HINDU backs ? TED Z

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07-04-2007, 03:05 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedUpdated list of the 43 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....7/2/07 Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the remaining 67 subjects are "No-Prints". And, so far in this survey we are seeing multiples of.....M. Brown (Chi).....Chase (dk cap)..... Crandall (cap)....Duffy....Gandil....McGraw (glove)....Tannehill....Wheat Baker Bender (no trees) M. Brown (Chi) Burch (fldg) Chase (blue)............super-print Chase (dark cap)......super-print Cobb (red)...............super-print Cobb (bat off) Crandall (cap)..........460-only Davis (A's) Devore....................460-only Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Duffy.......................460-only Elberfeld (Wash-fldg) Evers (Chi-bat)..........super-print Ford........................460-only Gandil......................460-only Geyer......................460-only Griffith (bat) Hummell...................460-only Johnson (pitch) Kleinow (Boston)........460-only Konetchy (glove low) Magee (bat) Manning (pitch) McGraw (glove hip).....460-only O'Leary (hds/knees) Pfeffer......................460-only Rucker (throw) Seymour (throw) Sheckard (glove)........460-only Snodgrass (fldg) Stahl (glove) Street (fldg) Sweeney (NY) Tannehill (Chi-throw)....460-only Wagner (bat/right) Wheat........................460-only Willis (throw) CYoung (glove) I REPEAT....any more Red HINDU's out there in Net54-land ? ? T-Rex TED

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07-04-2007, 07:08 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedAdded Addie Joss to the list....per Brian W's picture. This brings confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs to 44 cards. Thanks Brian TED Z

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07-05-2007, 03:35 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedUpdated list of the 44 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....7/4/07 Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the remaining 66 subjects are "No-Prints" Baker Bender (no trees) M. Brown (Chi) Burch (fldg) Chase (blue)..............super-print Chase (dark cap)........super-print Cobb (red).................super-print Cobb (bat off) Crandall (cap).............460-only Davis (A's) Devore.......................460-only Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Duffy..........................460-only Elberfeld (Wash-fldg) Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print Ford............................460-only Gandil..........................460-only Geyer..........................460-only Griffith (bat) Hummell........................460-only Johnson (pitch) Joss (pitch) Kleinow (Boston).............460-only Konetchy (glove low) Magee (bat) Manning (pitch) McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only O'Leary (hds/knees) Pfeffer...........................460-only Rucker (throw) Seymour (throw) Sheckard (glove).............460-only Snodgrass (fldg) Stahl (glove) Street (fldg) Sweeney (NY) Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only Wagner (bat/right) Wheat............................460-only Willis (throw) CYoung (glove) I'm looking for any more Red HINDU's out there....in Net54-land ? A HAPPY 4th OF JULY TO ALL......... TED Z

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07-06-2007, 07:32 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedLast call for all you guys and gals to show or tell us about your T206's with Red HINDU backs ? Don't be shy.....show-off those pretty looking cards of yours. TED Z

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07-06-2007, 09:03 PM

Posted By: MVSNYChey guys, i just submitted the above posted hugh duffy red hindu to PSA for grading...thought we'd have a little fun and see how you think it will grade...2? 3? what are some of your thoughts? i will post the result next week, when i find out... thanks! MS

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07-07-2007, 02:50 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedMIKE S PSA 3 or SGC 30 (2) TED Z

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07-08-2007, 07:07 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCted- i figure a PSA 3... is SGC that much tuffer, that it would grade one notch lower with them?

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07-08-2007, 10:58 AM

Posted By: LeeMike, IMO, SGC can at times grade a bit tougher than PSA. I have had cards that look the same condition as your Red Hindu that got the grade of SGC 30. Best, Lee H

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07-08-2007, 08:57 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedI'm far from the best person to talk about differences in Graded cards. But, my observation is that SGC graded cards are more strictly graded than PSA. In fact, I would say GAI cards are more strictly graded than PSA. TED Z

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07-08-2007, 09:12 PM

Posted By: MVSNYClee/ted- thanks for your opinions... i agree that SGC can be tuffer at times, but i also have seen plenty of undergraded PSA cards too.

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07-11-2007, 12:29 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedTo steal a line from an old Peggy Lee song......"Is that all there is ?"......I don't think so. UPDATED 7/10/07 Possible total = 110 Subjects....however, unless we find some more, I'm beginning to think that a fair number of the remaining 66 subjects are "No-Prints". 44 confirmed Red HINDU's Baker Bender (no trees) M. Brown (Chi) Burch (fldg) Chase (blue)..............super-print Chase (dark cap)........super-print Cobb (red).................super-print Cobb (bat off) Crandall (cap).............460-only Davis (A's) Devore.......................460-only Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Duffy..........................460-only Elberfeld (Wash-fldg) Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print Ford............................460-only Gandil..........................460-only Geyer..........................460-only Griffith (bat) Hummell........................460-only Johnson (pitch) Joss (pitch) Kleinow (Boston).............460-only Konetchy (glove low) Magee (bat) Manning (pitch) McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only O'Leary (hds/knees) Pfeffer...........................460-only Rucker (throw) Seymour (throw) Sheckard (glove).............460-only Snodgrass (fldg) Stahl (glove) Street (fldg) Sweeney (NY) Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only Wagner (bat/right) Wheat............................460-only Willis (throw) CYoung (glove) I'm still looking for any more Red HINDU's out there......this is worth another round, so let's see what you T206 collectors in Net54-land can come up with ? T-Rex TED

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07-12-2007, 08:40 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCthe hugh duffy red hindu graded a PSA 2...i'm dissapointed. see scan above.

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07-12-2007, 02:51 PM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedGee, for a guy who is not that into graded cards, I guessed quite accurately on the grade you would get for your Duffy. TED Z

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07-12-2007, 06:38 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCgood guess... i'm not thrilled with the grade, but it is a clean HOF red hindu...

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07-14-2007, 01:30 PM

Posted By: david Posesi don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there a ratio of brown hindu to red hindu backs? how scarce are the brown hindus of any given player? is it more pronounced with southern leaguers (comparatively)?

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07-14-2007, 01:43 PM

Posted By: Scot ReaderDavid, If by "ratio of brown to red" you are talking about relative back scarcity, my survey data show that ratio is about 10:1, that is, red is roughly 10X scarcer than brown. Scot

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07-14-2007, 08:16 PM

Posted By: Dan Koochinmore T206 Red Hindu's : Pfeister batting ok , thats it, I've checked exhaustively through my old checklists but that is the only player unlisted above. The only one I currently own is a Red Hindu Johnny Evers. Wheat (HOF) seems to have the most existing examples. Distribution? reasonable to asume a Louisiana issue, possible distribution in Tennessee.

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07-15-2007, 12:28 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedGreat to hear from you. Your Pfeister has been added to the list of Red HINDU's, which brings the total to 45. Incidently, I think you meant "throwing" on the Pfeister card. Thanks, TED Z

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07-15-2007, 09:34 AM

Posted By: Pennsylvania TedUPDATED 7/14/07 Possible total = 110 Subjects....however, unless we find some more, I'm beginning to think that a fair number of the remaining 65 subjects are "No-Prints". 45 confirmed Red HINDU's Baker Bender (no trees) M. Brown (Chi) Burch (fldg) Chase (blue)..............super-print Chase (dark cap)........super-print Cobb (red).................super-print Cobb (bat off) Crandall (cap).............460-only Davis (A's) Devore.......................460-only Donlin (bat) Doolan (bat) Downey (bat) Larry Doyle (bat) Duffy..........................460-only Elberfeld (Wash-fldg) Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print Ford............................460-only Gandil..........................460-only Geyer..........................460-only Griffith (bat) Hummell........................460-only Johnson (pitch) Joss (pitch) Kleinow (Boston).............460-only Konetchy (glove low) Magee (bat) Manning (pitch) McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only O'Leary (hds/knees) Pfeffer...........................460-only Pfeister (throwing) Rucker (throw) Seymour (throw) Sheckard (glove).............460-only Snodgrass (fldg) Stahl (glove) Street (fldg) Sweeney (NY) Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only Wagner (bat/right) Wheat............................460-only Willis (throw) CYoung (glove) Still looking for any more Red HINDU's out there......let's see what you T206 collectors in Net54-land can come up with ? TED Z