The Lionel Carter Collection DVD

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Anyone else watch this yet? It was neat to see how he kept his collection...I had only imagined it before this. <br /><br />Does anyone know when Mr Carter stopped collecting and why? It was also interesting to hear that he had set up at card shows and sold cards. I did not know that. I also enjoyed his comments about Bill Mastro showing up in the 1970s to their local card auctions and winning every lot.

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Posted By: <b>RC</b><p>Many thanks to Doug Allen for his assistance in obtaining this video about Lionel Carter and his collection. I enjoyed it, as would most card collectors. I found his stories about telling his wife that Sunday nights were "card mounting" nights and that he planned on continuing his hobby after marriage entertaining as well.<br /><br />Thanks to Lionel and his wife for sharing.<br /><br />RC

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Posted By: <b>Leslie Westbrook</b><p>where and how is this dvd available for purchase, watching, renting, etc.?<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Leslie, you need to go to Mastro's website and sign up for the classic collector auction so you can get the catalog.

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Yes I watched it today. Interesting, especially when Carter said he could not share his collection because of the value. <br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>i watched it last night, very well done...it is amazing to think (as bill mastro pointed out), that in many cases, no other hands have touched these cards, except for the graders at SGC...Mr. Carter took them out of the packs himself, and straight into the binders...amazing.<br /><br />MS

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Posted By: <b>calleocho</b><p>Did lionel Carter ever write anything in hobby magazines etc?<br /><br />So far it seems like he is a hell of a collector, very passionate and with great knowledge of cards.<br /><br />But Unlike other guys from his era...he did not do much for the hobby itself.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>What a great gentleman Lionel seems to be. I see a lot of my grandfather in him. The "old gaurd"....They don't make them like that anymore. Wonderful video.....Awesome collection...

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Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p>Thanks to whoever started this thread. I would have ditched the Mastro CD without hesitation and now I'm glad I watched it.

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>To anyone who wouldn't mind sending me their previously viewed copy I would certainly appreciate it. I can pay postage and even send it back when I'm done if you like.<br /><br />trae@t206.org<br /><br />Thanks!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Shoot me an email with your address. Don't worry about postage but I would like it back after you are through with it. I doubt Doug, or Mastro Auctions, would mind if you burned a copy of the dvd for yourself too. Mr.Carter was all about promoting the hobby so in that spirit I think we are safe. Everyone that collects vintage baseball cards should see this video, imho.....You really get to see one (actually 2 with Bill in it) of the hobby pioneers up close and personal....regards

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>I know Doug Allen said that it was unlikely that Mr. Carter could get to the National, but what a treat that would be if he would show up !!!<br /><br />Alan

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I would like to think that Mr. Carter would enjoy talking to Joe Blue Collar Card Collector and share his love for the hobby. Having acquired several of his cards (now encapsulated by SGc as from the Lionel Carter Collection), I know I'd love to sit down with him and just listen to the stories of the early days and his conversations with Jefferson Burdick, Frank Nagy, Buck Barker and others.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>was i the only one who noticed that calleocho said, "he did not do much for the hobby itself"?<br /><br />from what i understand he did a ton of writing in all of the early publications, AND Jefferson Burdick would often go to Carter to study various types of card issues. can anyone else jump in and back me up here?<br /><br />Did you watch the DVD?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I saw that post immediately. Instead of saying what I thought about the comment (which would have been extremely negative) I decided to post a positive comment. I am right with you though. Mr. Carter was a friend of Burdicks and helped him with the ACC. Mr.Carter also wrote many articles in hobby trade papers too, from what I understand. My guess is that he helped the hobby more than almost anyone on this board.....best regards

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>Is there a way to obtain copies of Carter's articles?<br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I saw where Lionel said he used to write a lot of articles but I haven't personally seen them. I do have quite a few old hobby pubs but they are mostly Bray and Nagy related.....Not sure which ones he wrote for...

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I got the impression from watching the video that Lionel Carter was writing 9-10 pages (actually 4-5 pages since he said they were on half page sized paper) and sending out mimeographs (anyone over 45 here remember the old machines where you typed on the special mimeograph paper and then attached it to a drum and turned it to make mimeo copies) to others. I am not sure that they were winding up in trade periodicals or just being sent out to other collectors. I'd like to think he was the forerunner of the Net54 Board, sharing information with collectors, but without the jokes, off-topic threads and flames. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>an article that I had from a 1937 Issue of Kaw Chief Stamp Journal from Kansas I believe that Carter wrote. Small 8-12 page publication. Neat item.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Detail on the Batter Up Series.............VERY topical to the Bill Mastro comments.......tough publication to find..........in the article he notes the same 'Mr. Golden' as in the DVD........<br /><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/carter2.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i91/autograf99/carter1.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Thanks Tom for sharing that with us. How wild it would have been back in the day when no one knew how many cards there were in a set and what names might be in them. We rely so heavily on tradition, time and checklists made long ago that those days seem like lightyears away.

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>If my math is correct, he would have been in his mid-teens when that article was written. It's amazing that a teenager would have been so driven by the hobby to contribute a column.

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Posted By: <b>jay wolt</b><p>"It's amazing that a teenager would have been so driven by the hobby to contribute a column"<br /><br />And to still own those cards 70 years later<br />till he consigned them.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Calleocho</b><p>It was an honest question...i didnt know if he had written anything or not.<br /><br />Compared to Burdick , Nagy and other of the pioneers of baseball card collecting he is not the most well known.<br /><br />I had never heard of him until recently...<br /><br />Leon when was the first time you heard of him?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I have heard of Lionel Carter for only about 10 yrs (since I started collecting). Since I am interested in the history of the hobby, and not only the cards, he has been a recognized name for me. The reason I took your comment in a somewhat offensive manner is that I had just viewed the DVD of him and he reminded me of my grandfather, rest his soul. I am not sure how to put it any better than my definition of what "the old guard" is. Honest, nice, integrity, etc....I am sending my DVD to Trae this week and if you want to view it I will have him send it to you and you can send it back to me after you view it, if you want? It's worth watching.....as a matter of fact I am going to watch it again before I send it off....best regards

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Posted By: <b>John H.</b><p>That article is pretty amazing. I wonder how many teenagers today could compose such a cohesive, articulate, well-written article even if they tried.<br /><br />John

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Lets not go crazy. The article is fine, but its not exactly Shakespeare.

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>Thanks Leon!

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>You're like a regular Netflix..........can we make other requests? Do you have Over the Hedge?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I rarely bring up older threads but this seemed relevent. If someone would like to see the Carter DVD just email me your address and I will send it to you. I just got it back from Trae. I think it's a very good video. Also, I just got in a group of about 15 of Lionel's cards from ebay auctions. As is mentioned in the video they are nice. Most of the ones I got are in SGC 20-30 holders and they really do all present extremely well for their grade. No hype here. You can tell they were hand picked by Mr.Carter. best regards

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>I have one too, if anyone wants to see it. I don't need it returned.

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>i'd love to see this video:<br /><br />peter ullman<br />c/o park dental<br />917 grand ave<br />saint paul mn 55105<br /><br />thanks!<br /><br />pete ullman

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Updated to say: Mine is going to Turner.

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>I acquired 2 extra copies of the actual DVD. If anyone would like to have it absolutely free of charge (I'll even pay the postage <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>), then respond here to that effect. The first two will get it. (I'll email you offline for your mailing info.)<br /><br />Alan

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I'll take one<br /><br />Jay<br><br>The richest person is not the one who has the most, but the one who needs the least.

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>if still available i'll take one. thanks

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Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>E-mail sent to both Jay & Dennis. Thanks.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Andy</b><p>If anyone has an extra copy, I would like to buy one. Please email me.

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Posted By: <b>Mike Mccullough</b><p>I would gladly pay someone for a copy....

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Posted By: <b>Brian Collie</b><p>Please email me.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Brian

[The Nasty Nati]

Sorry to bring up a really old thread, but all of this Lionel Carter talk in recent weeks has really got me interested in learning more about him.

Does anyone still have a copy of The Lionel Carter Collection DVD mentioned in this thread?

I'd love to borrow it (or buy it) from someone who still may have it.

[MyGuyTy]

I'd sure like to see it as well. Never even knew a Lionel Carter DVD existed.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

I'd sure like to see it as well. Never even knew a Lionel Carter DVD existed.

I am in the same boat. Where is the tape?

[ErikV]

I have a copy of the CD. Run time is 28 minutes long.
I thought of e-mailing you a video file, but I don't think
that's going to work. File probably going to be too big.

I just checked CD. Its a 1 gig VOB (video) file, way too
large to e-mail.

ErikV

[Gobucsmagic74]

I have a copy of the CD. Run time is 28 minutes long.
I thought of e-mailing you a video file, but I don't think
that's going to work. File probably going to be too big.

ErikV

Could you possibly burn it or is copywrited? I'd like to see it as well.

[Kawika]

It would be great if someone could upload it to YouTube. Would do it myself but I left my CD, along with about a half-ton of Mastro catalogs, back in da Islands when I moved to the Mainland.

[MyGuyTy]

If anybody has a copy to sell or burn, PM me :)

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

If anybody has a copy to sell or burn, PM me :)


Likewise

[ErikV]

Folks,

I'm working on converting the CD into an MP4 format. If I could get it
converted, the file may be small enough to send in an e-mail. Please
bear with me. Soon as it's done burning I'll check to see if it converted
properly. I'll let everybody know in a little bit.

ErikV

[ErikV]

All,

The file did convert into MP4 format. Unfortunately, even as a
compressed ZIP file it's too large to e-mail. Sorry,

ErikV

[qed2190]

I would like to get an email of Carters collection if it is possible. I used to trade with him back in the day. If it is possible my e mail is larryandrosi@comcast .net. Thank you, Larry Moe

[CW]

Nice! Thanks, Erik! If this doesn't work, and you have gmail, you could always upload it to your Google drive and share it from there.

[The Nasty Nati]

All,

The file did convert into MP4 format. Unfortunately, even as a
compressed ZIP file it's too large to e-mail. Sorry,

ErikV

Could you upload it on Youtube now that it's MP4 formatted? The google doc scenario could work too.

Thanks for doing all this leg work.

[ErikV]

I'm currently uploading the video to my g-mail drive.
I'm not too sure what to do after that. Anybody know?

ErikV

[SikSyko]

I would love to see this video as well.

[The Nasty Nati]

I'm currently uploading the video to my g-mail drive.
I'm not too sure what to do after that. Anybody know?

ErikV

Once it's been downloaded to your google drive then you hit File, than Share, and then you can email (or share) the file to whoever requested to see a copy. My email is schneibc@gmail.com

Again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to do this :D

[slipk1068]

Yes ErikV thanks for the effort to help out fellow collectors

[Bosox Blair]

Once it's been downloaded to your google drive then you hit File, than Share, and then you can email (or share) the file to whoever requested to see a copy. My email is schneibc@gmail.com

Again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to do this :D

Cool - PM sent to Erik re file share!!!

Cheers,
Blair

[ErikV]

The video was uploaded to my gmail drive. It should be viewable
using the following link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2_B-HolmX57eER3UFRFTzl6UG8/edit?usp=sharing

ErikV

[sebie43]

Thanks Erik!

[CW]

I haven't watched it yet, but that's pretty cool -- you can download it or just watch it like a youtube video. Thanks, Erik!

[SikSyko]

The video was uploaded to my gmail drive. It should be viewable
using the following link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2_B-HolmX57eER3UFRFTzl6UG8/edit?usp=sharing

ErikV

Thank you.

[GasHouseGang]

I just watched the video. Thank you so much for making it available! If you have the time it is definitely worth viewing.

[tcornett]

The video was uploaded to my gmail drive. It should be viewable
using the following link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2_B-HolmX57eER3UFRFTzl6UG8/edit?usp=sharing

ErikV

Thank you for posting this Erik, just watched the video, very interesting.

Tim

[The Nasty Nati]

Just watched the video, thanks a ton Erik!

[Iron Horse]

Thank you Erik for taking the time to make it possible for us to enjoy this video

[Jay Wolt]

Erik, thanks!
Somewhere I have the dvd, but your link makes it easier to view as its been a couple of years since I've seen it.

[mattsey9]

Just watched the video, thanks a ton Erik!

+1

[Rickyy]

Erik thank you from me too. I enjoyed watching one of the great collections of our hobby...

Ricky Y

[MyGuyTy]

Finally got around to watching it, thank you very much Erik for posting the vid.

One of the best parts of the video for me was seeing my lone Lionel Carter example right there in all it's glory at 17:19 when they showed a nice up close shot of his beautiful T206 album with the Hal Chase cards along the bottom row ;)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c228/myguyty366/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps93b6a68f.jpg

[slidekellyslide]

A very lengthy article about Mr Carter.

http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/carter_2008/Carter_2008.html

[MyGuyTy]

Very good article as well, I remember reading that one a few years ago. Sad how he was basically forced to sell his amazing collection in order to keep he and his wife safe.

[Bosox Blair]

+1

+2

[g_vezina_c55]

I also have this DVD.

[t206hound]

I was hoping to see my lone LC card, but he never flipped to the SL pages. I now know this one won't be for sale soon:

[MyGuyTy]

I was hoping to see my lone LC card, but he never flipped to the SL pages. I now know this one won't be for sale soon:

Nice LC SLer Erick, don't blame you, that should be a keeper ;)

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

That was a great video. It broke my heart a little to hear Mr. Carter talk about how he couldn't share his set with others. It is such a shame (and legitimate concern) that people would target a collection like that. Part of what makes collecting so much fun is sharing the hobby with others and the camaraderie with fellow collectors.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

On further reflection there was one thing from the video that rubbed me the wrong way. The SGC rep said that he owned a mantle that had been the highest graded copy before Carter's. I don't know how I feel about TPG employees having their own cards graded by the TPG. Seems like a conflict of interest.

Does this bother anyone else?

[CW]

It would be bothersome if we knew for sure he had it graded while he was working at SGC, but it's possible he bought his Mantle already graded, or he sent it to PSA, etc. Tough to know for sure.

The one thing that struck me in the video was how Doug Allen flew out to just look at the cards, but when he arrived Mr. Carter was getting them ready so Doug could take them to be auctioned. Just a little bit saddening to see a lifelong, passionate collector letting go, realizing most likely he didn't have much time left.

These things we collect are all just pieces of cardboard with men on them, and we will all come to the point where we will have to sell our collections. Still, I'm not looking forward to it. :)

[MyGuyTy]

These things we collect are all just pieces of cardboard with men on them, and we will all come to the point where we will have to sell our collections. Still, I'm not looking forward to it. :)

Doesn't have to end that way, pass them down to your son. If you don't have a son, wait till you have grand kids and pass it down to a grandson. Or nephews....;)

[slipk1068]

Doesn't have to end that way, pass them down to your son. If you don't have a son, wait till you have grand kids and pass it down to a grandson. Or nephews....;)

What about my daughter? Can I pass them down to her? She knows base ball history/prewar cards from listening to me for the last 20 years plus she owns a few herself.

[MyGuyTy]

What about my daughter? Can I pass them down to her? She knows base ball history/prewar cards from listening to me for the last 20 years plus she owns a few herself.

Very cool that your daughter is into baseball cards, definitely a rarity and nice to hear ;)

[brian1961]

I truly treasure the DVD that Mastro Auctions sent with their catalog to introduce the auction of his massive high quality collection. Listening to The Jack Benny Show on the radio while mounting his card collection in those albums--what a beautiful word picture. Painstaking work, but filled with contentment when done.

Doug Allen did not fly over to see Mr. and Mrs. Carter. Lionel lived in close by Evanston, Illinois. They had resided in that home for many, many years. I got to visit him a couple of times in the early 70s. What a delight and privilege!

As I recall, the Mastro Auction people helped the police recover Mr. Carter's collection, though the exact details escape me. It was soon after that that Lionel phoned Doug Allen to begin proceedings about auctioning his collection.

What I will always remember is that afterwards National Public Radio interviewed Mr. Carter about the auction of his collection, and the huge windfall of money it generated. Lionel replied simply, "I'd really rather have the cards."

I miss Lionel. I miss his forceful hobby articles.:(

[MyGuyTy]

What I will always remember is that afterwards National Public Radio interviewed Mr. Carter about the auction of his collection, and the huge windfall of money it generated. Lionel replied simply, "I'd really rather have the cards."

That says it all right there. It was all about the cards with Lionel. Truly a great man and legendary pioneer in our hobby :)

[ErikV]

First off, I'm glad I was able to convert the DVD and upload it for all to view.
Hopefully the video will remain in our hobby for years to come and serve as a
reminder of the spirit that Lionel Carter left us with. Say what you will about
Mastro Auctions, but I believe the video was truly a marvelous piece of history
about one of the true giants of our hobby.

As I recall, Mastro made one other video about their company. I think I still
have that DVD as well.

I want to say that during Mastro's heyday, as part of their auctions they
produced videos of some of their finer lots. Does anyone have any of these
videos, or have access to them? I once wrote to Legendary Auctions inquiring
about the videos, but as I recall they didn't keep them in their archives.

Any help would be appreciated.

ErikV

[insccollectibles]

Does anyone know how to get a copy of the DVD? I would like to bring as many back of his T206's back together as possible and thought having the DVD would be a nice item to own. One of the true pioneer's and seemed like a great guy as well.

[Sportsguy20]

The video was uploaded to my gmail drive. It should be viewable
using the following link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2_B-HolmX57eER3UFRFTzl6UG8/edit?usp=sharing

ErikV
Eric,
I just viewed your video re: Lionel Carter Collection. Loved the story on how he obtained the 1933 Goudey Nap LaJoie

Thanks for posting the video

-Michael

[insccollectibles]

I just want to thank ErikV for uploading. Also for letting me know if you need a copy you can simply download the mp4 from the link. So happy to have it thanks again!

[ErikV]

Michael and Cain,

My pleasure; glad I could be of service.

By the way, Apple owners will be pleased to know that the MP4 format works
on all iOS devices. I currently have the Lionel Carter video stored on my iPhone.

All the best,

ErikV

[T206Collector]

I interviewed Carter about his T206 Eddie Plank. You can hear the interview on my website www.signedT206.com

[1963Topps Set]

I will always believe Mastro / Allen really did a number on poor old Carter. But they are paying now, what goes around comes around!

[irishdenny]

It would be great if someone could upload it to YouTube. Would do it myself but I left my CD, along with about a half-ton of Mastro catalogs, back in da Islands when I moved to the Mainland.

shame...

Shame...

SHAME... :)

I'll see if I can find mine!

[tiger8mush]

shame...

Shame...

SHAME... :)

I'll see if I can find mine!

Denny, the post you quoted (Kawika) is 8+ years old :)

[slidekellyslide]

Who is this "Archive" person imitating us? We shall be speaking to a lawyer!

[Kawika]

In his post with regard to Mastro catalogs Irishdenny attributes a post to us
that we never made.

We take our posts very seriously, and we believe that attributing a post to
someone else is a crime.

Irishdenny please issue an immediate apology. We are prepared to take further
action, if necessary.

Kawika
East Oak Bay's Toughest Wantlist

[irishdenny]

Denny, the post you quoted (Kawika) is 8+ years old :)

Yes... knowing these things are of no consequence to relevance...
time is continual in Cyber World (:

As to It was an attempt to converse with Mr David!
And it work'd... Sort of...

So "My Apologies" go out to the Entire McDonald Clan!
For what ever I did I did it to do it, and now it is done...
Thank You David for Your heartfelt note desiring my attention (:

Anyways... Mr Carter was a Jedi Guardian Collector, He should get more pub!
I actually can't believe that His Mastro CD isn't on Youtube or the like!?!?

My Favorite Card of Lionel's

[Kawika]

Hiya Denny
All in good fun.
That's a rip-snortin' portrait of the Christian Gentleman.
Some lucky lad pulled this handsome Matty out of a box of Cracker Jack 108 years ago. Eventually Mr Carter acquired it. Many decades later it found its way, sans "the famous confection", to your old cyberpal Kawika, just a few degrees of separation from Sailor Jack and Bingo a century ago. Life is indeed grand.
Speaking of the Mastro CD, it is on YouTube after all. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50pkXT_UPm0
The fellow who posted it gives a short intro about Lionel Carter. The CD content starts at 6:40 +/-

https://photos.imageevent.com/kawika_o_ka_pakipika/sportscardsetc/baseball/bbhofthefirstclass/large/14CJ%20Matty1.jpg

I'll throw in this old photo for good measure.

[tiger8mush]

more Matty

[Seven]

Always nice to see old threads resurrected. I love the makeshift "card binders" Mr. Carter created. I do have a vast appreciation to how the hobby was handled in it's early years (along with a healthy appreciation for other things from the mid 20th century) I suppose the grass is always greener, you always want what you didn't/can't have.

As a side note is there a term for being Nostalgic for a time you didn't live in? Because I very much get that feeling at times! :D

[jcmtiger]

Just saw this old post, remembered I had the dvd. Just watched it again. Some nice cards.. What was the final sale price on the collection. Thanks

[Collectorsince62]

What a fascinating video. A nostalgic look back to the hobby beginnings when trust and trades were everything. The Carters are Rockwellian Americana. I love the comment that Sunday nights were card mounting nights, listening to Jack Benny on the radio. Fittingly, the 30's music that played in the background was Jack Benny's theme song, Love in Bloom.

[jcmtiger]

I will always believe Mastro / Allen really did a number on poor old Carter. But they are paying now, what goes around comes around!

What did they do? They didn’t buy collection, they auctioned the collection.. If you know more post it.

[Casey2296]

Love the Lionel's
_

[insidethewrapper]

Both article and video state that he only picked the best conditioned cards. I see many of his listed are either authentic or grading very low ( 1-2 ). I find it curious how many are now getting higher grades ( maybe some doctoring going on ).